I can't escape the feeling that if he's there at 29 and Ted passes, he will regret it.
What do you all think?
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Yes. Hard to pass up a guy who has the athleticism, measurables, work ethic and bloodline to succeed in this league. Only knock I hear is that he's still learning the OLB spot. And if he was lazy that would matter, but does anyone think for a second he's not going to work day and night to get up to speed? If he works even just half as hard as JJ, he'll be a damn good player. Something tells me he'll be gone though. Too few holes in his game to go that late.
YES!!!
I have a feeling he will pass also, but you never know. He's not a perfect prospect, but he's ascending. He won't last long past 29 if TT does pass on him. Clay wasn't perfect either coming out, TT opted to catch him while he was still raw.
If he is there and the Packers don't take him, a full-out revolt will ensue in the state of Wisconsin.
He absolutely should be the pick if there- especially if it is known that they're going to move Matthews inside to prolong his career. Watt is not as good now as he'll be.
When and where exactly did the narrative start that Clays career would be extended by playing inside? Because it's patently bull****.
Truth is there will be a few defensive players in the draft that Ted passes on at 29 that will become good pros. Just need to find one of those day one contributors.
TJ is an incredibly safe pick. Endless effort and energy. But he may not be the best option on the board on day one.
I can see passing on TJ, it's Fumagalli that Ted must take with #29
I don't think Fumagalli will be available at 29.
I vote EITHER. Take him or not. I don't care.
I still think Thompson would prefer to take a cornerback first, linebacker second. Based on how Thompson has drafted in the past I'd guess his preferred choice at #29 would either be Watt or Jordan Willis if the pick was a linebacker. I think players like Charles Harris and Tyus Bowser would slot just below Watt/Willis. Picking between Watt and Willis is as near as a complete toss-up situation as you can get.
I'm guessing the experts won't be flipping a coin when it comes to Watt and Willis. Just a hunch.
I think feelings are a tricky thing.
I know a coin flip trick
I don't think Watt will be there, but if he is, I wouldn't mind at all if the Pack pulled the trigger there. I think he's just one of those guys like Clay Matthews that maybe is a little bit of a late bloomer and his best football is ahead of him. And the football that was behind him was pretty danged good, it's just that I think he's going to be even better as time goes on. No matter what team takes him, I think they are going to be happy with that pick for many years if he stays healthy.
Ghost of Lambeau posted:I think feelings are a tricky thing.
Not that tricky.
Oh, it's tricky
ChilliJon posted:When and where exactly did the narrative start that Clays career would be extended by playing inside? Because it's patently bull****.
What the f*ck does narrative have to do with it? I believe he cannot handle a full season at OLB, his legs can't take it. I believe he's going to play inside more often than outside going forward.
So yes, I think they should think about a succession plan in his position. And yes, TJ Watt is good enough to play the position in Green Bay.
I'm not enough of a draftnik to know if he's worth it at 29, but I would LOVE to have T.J. The way he played this year, I really think he will be a good one.
They absolutely need to address the OLB position whether it's Watt or someone else. The odds of CMIII staying healthy (and actually Perry for that matter too) are very slim.
They need more talent and depth at CB as well and if I had to guess that's where Ted goes at 29 assuming no trades or other deals are made.
I don't give a **** if it's TJ Hooker. They need an impact player on defense.
Whether or not TT takes another CB at 29 will depend on who is left. He'll take the best available, be that a CB, OLB or whoever we haven't been paying attention to.
Ted is going to trade up for a running back and blowz all u minez
DH13 posted:Whether or not TT takes another CB at 29 will depend on who is left. He'll take the best available, be that a CB, OLB or whoever we haven't been paying attention to.
Yep. There could be a better a prospect there at 29 that Ted opts for. If Takk McKinley is there it's hard to believe he wouldn't be the guy. Ted seems to favor guys with high athletic upside in round 1, if TeeJay What is the best athlete at 29 then he will be the guy.
El-Ka-Bong posted:Ted is going to trade up for a running back and blowz all u minez
Thanks Jabrill.
Henry posted:I don't give a **** if it's TJ Hooker. They need an impact player on defense.
Not sure TJ Hooker would make much of an impact to this roster, but Heather Locklear sure made an impact in my teenage pants back in the day.
TJ or Takk in the first round. All offense in the rest of the draft. Our window is closing for another SB with Rodgers. We also need to find replacements for Jordy and Cobb, soon.
Yes. A good pass rush makes every DB look better. Take one early and take one later. I'd venture they need six guys to man the position and they have maybe four on roster.
A Watt /Daeshon Hall or a Barnett/Biegel-type combo would be nice.
Well, if he goes to the Vikings or the Bears I will not longer call him TJ. I will refer to him simply as T. T Watt.
Subtle.
He has a way with initials.
I can see TT giving Jabrill Peppers' versatility a long look. He's a coverage upgrade over Hyde in the slot. He's an upgrade over Hyde in run support though not a huge upgrade. Micah was pretty good in run support. He's a massive punt return upgrade over Hyde. He's a likely replacement for Morgan Burnett at SS when Morgan hits FA after this year.
Hungry5 posted:Subtle.
I don't know what you mean.
I think he's also give this defense some sorely needed leadership. Guys like Perry, Daniels, Haha, Burnett, CMIII, etc. all seem like great lockerroom guys and teammates, but none have taken on that leadership role since Woodson left. I think Watt could step into that role eventually.
ChilliJon posted:I can see TT giving Jabrill Peppers' versatility a long look. He's a coverage upgrade over Hyde in the slot. He's an upgrade over Hyde in run support though not a huge upgrade. Micah was pretty good in run support. He's a massive punt return upgrade over Hyde. He's a likely replacement for Morgan Burnett at SS when Morgan hits FA after this year.
If he looks for a Burnett replacement I hope he finds a true FS in the Nick Collins mold rather than another guy who is a better run stuffer than centerfielder. Dix has been an adequate centerfielder, but he's not an aggressive ballhawk like Collins or Earl Thomas. Same for Burnett and Hyde. Budda Baker in R1 (if he's there) or Tedric Thompson in R4 would be better options IMO, those guys are strong in coverage with flexibility to cover the Slot. Baker especially would have an instant impact at FS.
Jabril Peppers? No thanks
Can't cover in space and honestly is not as good of an athlete as people think he is.
Tschmack posted:Jabril Peppers? No thanks
Can't cover in space and honestly is not as good of an athlete as people think he is.
I see what you mean...
Even though it got called back... DAMN PEPPERS οΏ½οΏ½οΏ½οΏ½ https://t.co/LRPjOYb60I
β Abdul Memon (@abdulamemon) October 8, 2016
"Not as good an athlete as people think he is". That's fantastic.
I would feel better about Peppers at 29 if there was a defined position I knew he would accell at on Sundays. I think he's a valuable athletic slot guy that can be moved around. Blitz from the slot. He's got the ability to flip field position on a consistent basis as a punt returner.
The question is. Do you go with someone that can help improve a few positions by doing them well or do you go with a guy like Watt or Jordan Willis that have the potential to do one thing (put the QB on the ground) or Baker (safety) or Chidobe Awuzie (versatile corner) extremely well?
Like I mentioned yesterday. There should be a lot of difference makers on defense at 29. It will SUCK if that pick doesn't work out given the likelyhood a few defenses players selected between 29 and 45 are going to become productive starters. Ted best do his homework on that first pick. It's kind of a big one. And I'm glad I'm not him.
