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Originally posted by Max:
Who's saying Tarkenton is wrong? I said I thought it was ironic for him to say that Favre blew that game against the Giants given that Tarkenton himself isn't exactly synonymous with winning big games.

I'm not excusing his INT against the Eagles. Just saying it's a damn shame because the entire team (including Favre) played a near-perfect game in going into Philadelphia and upsetting a favored Eagles team until allowing an unprecedented and near-impossible 4th-down completion to choke it away. Favre's overtime interception certainly finished the job.

A near perfect game? How so? After scoring two td's in the first quarter, the offense and Favre were invisible. The Eagles were a badly banged up team for that game. Whatever happened on the 4th and 26 play is irrelevant. Favre simply threw it up for grabs; it was almost like he was pissed off so he just gave the game away. It was such a bad pass it looked like a punt.

As for the other games, the Ram game may be the worst passing performance in the playoffs; I dont' know, how many interceptions did he throw in that game? How many were returned for TDs?

Against the Vikings, he threw four interceptions, against the Falcons, two.

But for all that miserable play, it never even gets mentioned. His season ending chokes are always ignored and the media and he go right to the retirement drama.

Tarkenton's Vikings may have not won a Super Bowl, but he got them to three, and in each of those, the Vikings ended up playing vastly superior teams. It wasn't like they drew Bledsoe and the Patriots each and every time.

'Ignore all those interceptions behind that curtain, just take me back to Kansas.'

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Originally posted by chickenboy:

However, if we're gonna start saying "right on, Fran...on the money dude" we might as well get the opinion of clowns....

There's no need.

You, icon, and diggy already fill those roles here very nicely, thank you.

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Originally posted by Mick730:
After scoring two td's in the first quarter, the offense and Favre were invisible. The Eagles were a badly banged up team for that game. Whatever happened on the 4th and 26 play is irrelevant. Favre simply threw it up for grabs; it was almost like he was pissed off so he just gave the game away. It was such a bad pass it looked like a punt.

As for the other games, the Ram game may be the worst passing performance in the playoffs; I dont' know, how many interceptions did he throw in that game? How many were returned for TDs?

Against the Vikings, he threw four interceptions, against the Falcons, two.

But for all that miserable play, it never even gets mentioned. His season ending chokes are always ignored and the media and he go right to the retirement drama.

The offense wasn't quite as bad as you say in the Eagles game. Sadly it couldn't punch it into the end zone on four attempts right before the half, or it would have been 21-3. Then I think the team mostly tried to run out the clock for the entire second half. A little too conservative.

Geez, the Eagles were banged up. So were the Packers against the Falcons. Talk about a team loss: In the first quarter Green Bay let Atlanta drive 80 yards for a touchdown on the opening kickoff, had a punt blocked for a touchdown, muffed a punt to set up another touchdown, and missed a field goal. In the first quarter! But you're going to look at Favre's 2 interceptions, one of which led to a Falcons punt, while the other came with 4 minutes left in the game and the Packers down by 20 points.

You're probably right that Favre didn't get enough blame for some of the games where he should have got more heat. (Some fairly well known national writers, like Dr. Z and Sal Paolontonio, did their part, though.) At least you're there to balance things out a bit.

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Originally posted by Mick730:

A near perfect game? How so? After scoring two td's in the first quarter, the offense and Favre were invisible. The Eagles were a badly banged up team for that game. Whatever happened on the 4th and 26 play is irrelevant. Favre simply threw it up for grabs; it was almost like he was pissed off so he just gave the game away. It was such a bad pass it looked like a punt.

In the first quarter, two tremendous plays from Favre staked GB to a 14-0 lead, followed by another drive to the one yard line. On both of those TDs, Favre's veteran experience is what allowed them to beat the Philly coverage and score.

One was an audible, the other a head nod to Fergy.

The OT throw was a terrible mistake, however it wasn't all on Brett. GB OC Rossli/Sherman were showing a distinct tendency to throw on first down and the Eagles DC Jim Johnson picked up on it.

By simply mixing up the play calling, they could have avoided the overload that Philly threw at them on that play. There were more rushers than blockers and GB couldn't handle it. The Favre decision to loft up a prayer was a very poor one, but as always there are a lot of moving parts when discussing a team game that includes 60 + plays and 45 players.

The main reason the offense was so anemic in the 2nd half was more on play calling and a gutless coach than just on the performance of Favre. Its perfectly fine to rip Favre for his faults, but there is absolutely no need to make stuff up to support your personal jihad.

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Originally posted by Max:

The offense wasn't quite as bad as you say in the Eagles game. Sadly it couldn't punch it into the end zone on four attempts right before the half, or it would have been 21-3. Then I think the team mostly tried to run out the clock for the entire second half. A little too conservative.

Najeh got stopped on 3rd down and on 4th and short, Eagles DT Corey Simon beat Tauscher to the inside, crashed Marco backwards into a pulling Wahle and blew up the play that would have iced the game. Damn that one still stings...

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Originally posted by Max:
Then I think the team mostly tried to run out the clock for the entire second half. A little too conservative.

I nominate this post for the understatement of the year.

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Originally posted by Satori:

Najeh got stopped on 3rd down and on 4th and short, Eagles DT Corey Simon beat Tauscher to the inside, crashed Marco backwards into a pulling Wahle and blew up the play that would have iced the game. Damn that one still stings...

The one that stung me (among many) was Sherman's decision to punt on 4th and 1 from the Eagle 30 or so when a 1st down would have iced the game. I told my wife, "He's gonna kick the damn ball into the endzone and we'll net 10 yards defensively on the Goddam play." It happened.

I missed that entire Eagles game because I was working. I remember getting into my car, turning on the radio, and it had just gone into OT. We stopped the Eagles on their first OT possession, which is all that I heard, and then the first play of the Packers series Favre tosses an interception.

Were we really on the 30? Wow. I never went back and looked at the play by play. I guess I always thought we had been on the 40. What was Sherman thinking? I mean, it just seems like an inconceivably stupid move, but Sherman really wasn't a dumb coach. What do you think would have been his reasoning?

I recall telling your wife the same thing.

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Originally posted by who:
I missed that entire Eagles game because I was working.

I was in Ghana. For some reason it wasn't on TV there. I remember feeling detached and indifferent about the score, so unlike the rest of you I have no nightmares about that game.

I watched only the first quarter of the 2007 NFCC, and again the score did not bother me that much. It too a long time to get over the Broncos game, the Superbowl loss.

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Originally posted by who:
Sherman really wasn't a dumb coach.

you missed a lot more packer football then just the entire eagles game

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Originally posted by who:
Were we really on the 30? Wow. I never went back and looked at the play by play. I guess I always thought we had been on the 40. What was Sherman thinking? I mean, it just seems like an inconceivably stupid move, but Sherman really wasn't a dumb coach. What do you think would have been his reasoning?

It was actually the 41. They then took a delay, and then Bidwell of course punted it into the endzone like everyone knew he would.

That being said, it was still a monumentally stupid decision. 37 rushes for 210 on the day. 5.7 yards a clip on the day. In that final drive alone here were the rushing yards gained - 10, 5, 4, 3, 5, 3, 2, 4, 3. 9 rushes for 39 yards. More than 4 a pop. And we needed 1 and punted.

Fact is, the OL was absolutely dominating a tired Eagles front 7. Not icing that game there is the defining moment of Mike Sherman's career as coach. That was simply a horrible call, not with the benefit of hindsight, but at the time, real time, it was simply a horrible, gutless, playing not to lose call.

You will never convince me that Davenport couldn't have gotten the 1+ yard needed there.

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Originally posted by CAPackFan95:
you will never convince me that Davenport couldn't have gotten the 1

probably could have dropped the 2

I propose an end to this thread until something actually goes down. Many thoughts....many memories(good and bad)................?

Agree. Time to put this story out of it's misery.