TOG scintillating news- Retired. No wait. As of 5/08 [ 2:40pm LAF] maybe not.

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Originally posted by Limbata:

Now I believe this yes/no/maybe deal is tog's way of helping improve the economy by selling lots more news papers. He is also single handedly performing CPR to that dying industry.

Nonsense. Everyone knows proper CPR requires the use of two hands.

Vikes want decision from Favre this week

I suppose they'll just "move on" if he doesn't give them an answer.

Riiiiiiigghhhtt

For a guy who claims to be "out of the Favre prediction business," Peter King sure spends a lot of time making "best guesses" as to what's going to happen. You know what the difference is between King making a prediction and a "best guess"? That's right, there isn't any.

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Originally posted by Boris:
Vikes want decision from Favre this week

I suppose they'll just "move on" if he doesn't give them an answer.

Riiiiiiigghhhtt

I hear Chilly is working on the reasons why Mike Vick is not a character risk right now.

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Originally posted by Boris:
Vikes want decision from Favre this week

I suppose they'll just "move on" if he doesn't give them an answer.

Riiiiiiigghhhtt

I wish them the best of luck with that.

Even if he makes up his mind this it doesn't mean he will change it by mid June.

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Originally posted by fdl:
Nonsense. Everyone knows proper CPR requires the use of two hands.

Let me guess. Grabing for it with one hand, and paying for it with the other?

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Originally posted by Brak:
Pansies.

Who knew that Kyle Orton loves him some corn? I'm wondering if the Broncos were aware of this picture before they traded for him.

That's not Kyle Orton, that's Blair Keil!!!!

The hairless arms prove he's no relation.

I'm no Fran Tarkenton fan, but I can't help pretty much agreeing with basically everything he has to say in this transcript from a recent radio interview.

Here's a portion of it:

Fran was asked about the whole Brett Favre retirement, un-retirement:

“I think it’s despicable. What he put the Packers through last year was not good. Here’s an organization that was loyal to him for 17, 18 years, provided stability of organization, provided players. It just wasn’t about Brett Favre. In this day and time, we have glorified the Brett Favre’s of the world so much, they think it’s about them. He goes to New York and bombs. He’s 39 years old. How would you like Ray Nitschke in his last year (playing for) the Vikings, or I retire, and go play for the Packers. I kind of hope it happens, so he can fail.”


http://sportsradiointerviews.c...fan-of-brett-favres/

Wow!

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Originally posted by Boris:
Vikes want decision from Favre this week

I suppose they'll just "move on" if he doesn't give them an answer.

Riiiiiiigghhhtt

Gee, this sounds strangely familiar...

"According to Peter King of SI.com, the Vikings want a decision from Favre soon, possibly by the end of the week. Put simply, the team wants to know what their quarterback depth chart will look like for the 2009 season."

As I said, MN, had no idea what they have invited upon themselves. Be careful what you wish for..... I suppose part of Brett's revenge on TT could include actually making a timely, definitive decision for a change...

Wow again!

Fran is spot on with those remarks.

Fran’s take on what he sees out of Favre’s quarterback abilities or lack there of:

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I think he has been a great flamboyant quarterback, but he has made more stupid plays than any great quarterback that I’ve ever seen. Look at his final game in a Packers uniform. He blew that game against the Giants. He’s playing against Eli Manning, I love Eli Manning, but he’s still not a great quarterback. He’s not Peyton yet, or Tom Brady. He’s just a guy. And they’re (Packers) are playing at home, and they’re in a tight situation, they went to overtime and he (Favre) throws the interception that allows them (the Giants) to come back and win the game. He has done that and driven his coaches crazy all of his career.

Wow wow wee waa. Fran is spot on.

Fran's comments are long overdue.

I wonder if Fran drove Bud Grant crazy running all over the field like a chicken with his head cut off?

I also wonder if Fran realizes he isn't too far behind Mr. Favre on the all-time int list?

http://myespn.go.com/blogs/nfc...tting-in-a-tree.html

Wow is right. I always hated Tarkenton, because he was so good and hurt us so often. But respected him greatly as a QB and leader. He certainly is candid here. I actually like the fact that he compares Favre to can't imagine Nitschke going to the Vikings or himself to the Packers. I agree. And, candidly, I also think he's right that for all of Favre's great plays, he's made an awful lot of bad ones. Just haven't heard him called out for it like Tarkenton does here -- with particular emphasis on the Giants NFC Championship game loss. Right behind it was the Philly OT loss in '03 -- similar situation, same ending.

Everyone can't always come up big in the big game like Fran did.

I don't remember Fran ever choking as bad and as often as Favre.

Brett would carry that "choke" label much more prominently had he not managed that one Super Bowl win.

http://www.greenbaypressgazett...ofbounds/index.shtml

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Web site offers No. 4 armband to help mourn Favre
For every person who's tired of hearing about Brett Favre, there's another fan who still hasn’t gotten over the fact that No. 4 is no longer is quarterback for the Green Bay Packers. For the latter, there’s a new Web site offering you a way to mourn the loss.

Especially if Favre ends up playing for the Minnesota Vikings this season.

Rob Sax of Madison has started his own online “support group” at mourn4.com that includes a Facebook page called Mourn 4: The Loss of Favre.

That picture never gets old.

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Originally posted by Max:
Everyone can't always come up big in the big game like Fran did.

That was during his second stint with the vikes after coming back from the Giants. During his first with the vikes, 1961-66, he was the best QB in the NFL IMO and there were some big name HOFers playing at the time. I hated Tark with a passion then but I gotta admit he was the best then and was thankful his idiot coach didn't know how to use him the right way.

Favre throws game losing OT interception in the NFC Championship game. NFL media ignores the way the Packers lost and goes right to the, "Will the immortal and legendary Brett Favre return to the Packers in 08?" 'Stay tuned to hear our renowned panel of former NFL felons discuss this all important issue.'

Later, if time remains at the end of our broadcast, we'll have replays of the Giants win at Lambeau.

Same thing with the Packer loss to the Eagles when his highness threw the single worst pass in NFL playoff history to give that game away. Let's crucify the packer defensive coordinator, but don't anybody dare mention Mr. Bonehead's pathetic pass that cost Green Bay the game!

Tarkenton is exactly right. He couldn't give a rats patut about the talking heads at ESPN or Peter King, Mortenson or any of the other Favare ass-licks. He speaks his mind and the obvious truth.

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Originally posted by Mick730:
I don't remember Fran ever choking as bad and as often as Favre.

Francis Abury Tarkenton

Brett Lorenzo Favre

Franny's playoff record was 6-5, with no titles. Then take a look at his TD-Int ratio. For one last laugh, look at Franny's passer rating in Super Bowl IX, 01/12/75.

Favre's playoff record is 12-10, with 1 title. Favre's playoff stats make Tark look like TJ Rubley.

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Same thing with the Packer loss to the Eagles when his highness threw the single worst pass in NFL playoff history to give that game away.

I don't know, his former squire threw an ugly one that Al Harris picked-6 on.

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Originally posted by Mick730:
I don't remember Fran ever choking as bad and as often as Favre.

I can remember one time....

http://www.accessmylibrary.com...ary_0286-6673037_ITM

Maybe at some point someone can explain to me the connection between the legitimacy of what Tarkenton said about Favre and his--Tarkenton's--playing career.

Red herrings, kids--it ain't just for dinner anymore!

Correct.

I'm from a Norwegian family....we know all about herring.



Tarkenton was a great QB, is in many ways a tool himself (not to mention the accusations of some shady business dealings in the past), and is entitled to his opinion.

One (IMO) that sounds pretty true.

I do love what TOG has done to vikenation, Its pure joy to watch most of them get on their knees for Lord Favre. A lot of them are throwing their Hall of Fame QB under the bus for speaking out against their new Idol Favre.Check out this 6 page thread on scout.com

http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=63&f=1554&t=4365836

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Originally posted by Koopla Krash:

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Originally posted by Mick730:
I don't remember Fran ever choking as bad and as often as Favre.

Francis Abury Tarkenton

Brett Lorenzo Favre

Franny's playoff record was 6-5, with no titles. Then take a look at his TD-Int ratio. For one last laugh, look at Franny's passer rating in Super Bowl IX, 01/12/75.

Favre's playoff record is 12-10, with 1 title. Favre's playoff stats make Tark look like TJ Rubley.

You've done an excellent job of establishing Tarkenton's first-hand authority on the subject of choking in the clutch. They say if you want to catch a thief, you should hire a thief. If that's true, Tarkenton's comments on Favre carry a great deal of credibility. If it's not true, Tarkenton's playing career is completely irrelevant.

Tarkenton should know as well as anyone that it's a team game. Nobody played well against the Giants. Tarkenton's right, Eli Manning is just a guy. No way should the Packers have allowed him to complete 11 passes for 154 yards to Plaxico Burress.

Certainly that heave against the Eagles was one of the worst in playoff history. Never should have come to that, though. If Favre's interception had enabled the Eagles to tie a game that Green Bay had all but won in regulation and 4th and 26 had happened in overtime, yes there'd be a lot more talk about the pick than the defensive breakdown. That game should have been over.

It's not hard to blame Favre for the playoff losses to the Rams, Vikings and Giants. I would personally fault the defense for getting lit up by Vick and the Falcons, for choking away the playoff losses to the Eagles and 49ers, and for getting abused by Terrell Davis. But I've got a bias since as everyone knows I'm a Favre fan first.

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Originally posted by who:
Maybe at some point someone can explain to me the connection between the legitimacy of what Tarkenton said about Favre and his--Tarkenton's--playing career.

Red herrings, kids--it ain't just for dinner anymore!

Since we are patting Fran on the back for his honesty, can someone get Jim McMahon, Jeff Brady, Chris Hovan or Keith Millard on the phone, I'd love to hear what they think.

You can't excuse TOG's interceptions in OT. Regardless of what happened prior to that, he had the ball in his hands in OT with a chance to win. Great QBs get the ball down the field and win those game. People in Philly and New York still laugh about those throws.

are you saying that just because ft played for the vikes that his opinion should be somehow discounted or disgregarded?

i think he nailed it.

and i've hated ft for years.

but he's right in this case, and his opinion is well-stated.

Who's saying Tarkenton is wrong? I said I thought it was ironic for him to say that Favre blew that game against the Giants given that Tarkenton himself isn't exactly synonymous with winning big games.

I'm not excusing his INT against the Eagles. Just saying it's a damn shame because the entire team (including Favre) played a near-perfect game in going into Philadelphia and upsetting a favored Eagles team until allowing an unprecedented and near-impossible 4th-down completion to choke it away. Favre's overtime interception certainly finished the job.

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Originally posted by chickenboy:

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Originally posted by who:
Maybe at some point someone can explain to me the connection between the legitimacy of what Tarkenton said about Favre and his--Tarkenton's--playing career.

Red herrings, kids--it ain't just for dinner anymore!

Since we are patting Fran on the back for his honesty, can someone get Jim McMahon, Jeff Brady, Chris Hovan or Keith Millard on the phone, I'd love to hear what they think.

More red herrings!!!

Care to talk about what Tarkenton actually said?

Don't be silly. That's not what Super Chicken does.

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Originally posted by who:

More red herrings!!!

Care to talk about what Tarkenton actually said?

Comment about the comments of another me-first QB about a me-first QB? No thanks. A lot of stuff he said he was stuff that has been regurgitated on the forum over and over and some of the new stuff sounds like sour grapes from a guy who had several of his records broken by the guy. He doesn't seem to realize that he also broke some of his, let's say, unflattering records.

My comments about Tark being a prima donna come from several comments I've heard on talk radio up here. I barely remember the guy from "That's Incredible."

However, if we're gonna start saying "right on, Fran...on the money dude" we might as well get the opinion of clowns like Millard and Hovan.