TOG scintillating news- Retired. No wait. As of 5/08 [ 2:40pm LAF] maybe not.

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Originally posted by Henry:
Let me help you. Note the bold and then note your original comment. I know it hurts. I had a cone instead. Yummy!

OK then. What other player should get more credit than Favre? Reggie? I guess I could see that argument. A team wins championships obviously, but there usually is one player that puts them over the top. Again, how does this discredit the other players?

Still resting on my innertube waiting to get blown out of the water...

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Originally posted by Satori:
That first home game would also be a perfect time to retire number 4 too

Can you imagine that scene as they retired his Green and Gold number 4 and he is standing there in his purple jammies ?

GB should just proceed forward as if nothing has happened, for nothing would defuse his "stick it routine" faster than an organization that just didn't care.

Honor his Packerdom, ignore his vikingdumb.

Sorry, after the way Favre has trashed the organization, trashed the GM, trashed the coach, trashed the QB, and gone out of his way to try and help a team he has nothing to do with beat us, I don't think Favre deserves to be put in the same company as people like Canadeo, Starr, Hutson, Nitschke, or White.

Whether he plays for the Vikings doesn't change my opinion.

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Originally posted by chickenboy:

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Originally posted by Henry:
Let me help you. Note the bold and then note your original comment. I know it hurts. I had a cone instead. Yummy!

OK then. What other player should get more credit than Favre? Reggie? I guess I could see that argument. A team wins championships obviously, but there usually is one player that puts them over the top.

Still resting on my innertube waiting to get blown out of the water...

Not about what I think, it's about this stupid statement.

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Originally posted by chickenboy:

To be honest, even with the staunchest of Favre defenders, never once have I gotten that impression.

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Originally posted by CS Pack:

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Originally posted by CAPackFan95:
I'd like to see Bart Starr named as the honorary captain for the Viking game at home, and when he's announced for the coin toss, they announces it as "And as honorary captain today, the greatest quarterback in the history of the Green Bay Packers, Bart Starr", and the have the crowd give Bart a 10 minute standing ovation.

+1

+2

Let's compare Bart and TOG. Bart was actually fired by the Packers. TOG was not. Bart knew when it was time to quit as a player, albeit a year or 2 too late. TOG does not. Bart never trashed the Packers front office or gave other teams info on beating them. TOG has done that. Bart is welcome back in Lambeau anytime and has come back many times altho it was hard the 1st time after being fired as coach. TOG welcome back at Lambeau, .

Bart Starr, the greatest Green Bay Packer QB ever.

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Originally posted by Henry:

Not about what I think, it's about this stupid statement.

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Originally posted by chickenboy:

To be honest, even with the staunchest of Favre defenders, never once have I gotten that impression.

My response was to this:

Originally posted by Henry: ...and are seemingly giving Favre all the credit for the success of those years. That's what's ridiculously tiresome is wholesale discounting of other great players and coaches all to lavish praise on one spoiled child.

I'll see your back peddle and go with this.

You really believe that Favre apologists...even Icon...believe that he was the only reason for the Packers success in the late 90s?

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The guy should get most of the credit for those years

Chickenboy, yes, that's what some of the apologists think. Read it and weep.

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Originally posted by ammo: Bart knew when it was time to quit as a player, albeit a year or 2 too late.

Hmmm...interesting.

Anyway, I would appreciate some of the graybeards to chime in on this since I was too young to watch Bart at the end but it would appear to me that Favre is playing at a higher level now (or at least the last four years) then Starr was:

http://www.pro-football-refere...ayers/S/StarBa00.htm

http://www.pro-football-refere...ayers/F/FavrBr00.htm

Now I realize it is a much different game now and that is why I would appreciate an objective graybeard throwing in his two cents on this.

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Originally posted by chickenboy:

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Originally posted by Henry:

Not about what I think, it's about this stupid statement.

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Originally posted by chickenboy:

To be honest, even with the staunchest of Favre defenders, never once have I gotten that impression.

My response was to this:

Originally posted by Henry: ...and are seemingly giving Favre all the credit for the success of those years. That's what's ridiculously tiresome is wholesale discounting of other great players and coaches all to lavish praise on one spoiled child.

I'll see your back peddle and go with this.

You really believe that Favre apologists...even Icon...believe that he was the only reason for the Packers success in the late 90s?

So I guess "never once have I gotten that impression" really means what exactly in the light of this post? You can't read or when you come to phrases like "having to carry a team and for the most part he did it" your vision gets all blurry?

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Originally posted by Floridarob:
For all the "great" players FAvre played with, he never played with another Hall of Fame caliber player on offense and only one on defense with Reggie. The guy should get most of the credit for those years. he was not like Aikman with several hall of fame players, or Montana with several hall of fame players. You could compare Favre mostly to Marino in having to carry a team and for the most part he did it. If he would have had a Randy Moss or Jerry Rice to throw to, I wonder how much greater he could have been.

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Originally posted by Henry:
Bummer about Manny.

Don't hate on Manny, at least sports talk radio has something to discuss besides Favre

In 1971 Starr was badly injured. I think he had a serious arm and shoulder injuries, but also, he had taken a beating over the prior few years. In 1969, Kramer, Gregg and Skoronski were gone. He had Bowman and Gillingham left, but the other guys couldn't protect him. Even so, in 1971, Starr came off the bench to beat the Bears.

But no matter the state of his physical health, Bart Starr would never have thrown those ridiculous passes that Favre has thrown his entire career, and in particular, the types of passes you saw Favre throw last season at the end of the year for the Jets.

Also, I think Starr was 37 when he retired, but he had stopped acting like a child about 33 years prior. Favre may be 40, but he acts like he's a 13 year old girl.

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Originally posted by chickenboy:

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Originally posted by ammo: Bart knew when it was time to quit as a player, albeit a year or 2 too late.

Hmmm...interesting.

Anyway, I would appreciate some of the graybeards to chime in on this since I was too young to watch Bart at the end but it would appear to me that Favre is playing at a higher level now (or at least the last four years) then Starr was:

http://www.pro-football-refere...ayers/S/StarBa00.htm

http://www.pro-football-refere...ayers/F/FavrBr00.htm

Now I realize it is a much different game now and that is why I would appreciate an objective graybeard throwing in his two cents on this.

Bart Starr interview and stats

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Originally posted by El-Ka-Raji:

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Originally posted by Henry:
Bummer about Manny.

Don't hate on Manny, at least sports talk radio has something to discuss besides Favre

Good point.

It was 1970 I think when Starr came off the bench to beat the Bears.

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Originally posted by Henry:
I gotta think all the negative press he's getting right now is making this attention whore think twice. I'm guessing it's the battle between his ego and the actual consequences to his legacy.

He's probably not even paying attention to it. After all, he told Bus he didn't know where all this talk came from.

This isn't about the stats they had when they left or stayed on, this is about HOW they left.

Favre could throw for 52 TDs next year, that doesn't change anything about the class with which one left vs the other.

But, individual stats are all that Favre and his sychophants have to hang their hats on now that its obvious that he doesn't "play for the love of the game", or doesn't give a rip about "the team".

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Originally posted by Hauser:

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Originally posted by Henry:
I gotta think all the negative press he's getting right now is making this attention whore think twice. I'm guessing it's the battle between his ego and the actual consequences to his legacy.

He's probably not even paying attention to it. After all, he told Bus he didn't know where all this talk came from.

Looks like ego won.

But it's all rumors!

Childress at Winter Park at 7 AM this morning

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Originally posted by Satori:
That first home game would also be a perfect time to retire number 4 too

Can you imagine that scene as they retired his Green and Gold number 4 and he is standing there in his purple jammies ?

GB should just proceed forward as if nothing has happened, for nothing would defuse his "stick it routine" faster than an organization that just didn't care.

Honor his Packerdom, ignore his vikingdumb.

Revenge is best served cold, and this would be some of the coldest ever served.

It's quite beautiful.

Go on with the ceremony, of retiring his number, while Favre stands there in Vikings purple.

Wicked, wicked stuff.

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Originally posted by Henry:

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Originally posted by Hauser:

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Originally posted by Henry:
I gotta think all the negative press he's getting right now is making this attention whore think twice. I'm guessing it's the battle between his ego and the actual consequences to his legacy.

He's probably not even paying attention to it. After all, he told Bus he didn't know where all this talk came from.

Looks like ego won.

But it's all rumors!

It's a CKA double. The real CKA is in MS.

This was on the Favre daily briefing on jsonline. Bedard said he wasn't sure
where it originated.

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Originally posted by Henry:

Took all of 2 posts to blow that out of the water.



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take Favre off of any of those teams and see exactly how close they get to the playoffs or even a winning season. Take any other player on the team off the squad and leave FAvre on and they still get as far as they did. So much for blowing something out of the water. I am not a FAvre apologist but I surely give him the credit he deserves.

Packers had a great team in 1996 but that team could have won in 96 without Howard---they could have won without Reggie---they could have won without any one single player on the squad but they would NOT have won it without Favre.

It was not all FAvre for sure, but they are not in the Super Bowl with Jim Harbough or Doug Peterson or Ty Detmer in charge.

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Originally posted by Floridarob:

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Originally posted by Henry:

Took all of 2 posts to blow that out of the water.



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take Favre off of any of those teams and see exactly how close they get to the playoffs or even a winning season. Take any other player on the team off the squad and leave FAvre on and they still get as far as they did. So much for blowing something out of the water. I am not a FAvre apologist but I surely give him the credit he deserves.

Packers had a great team in 1996 but that team could have won in 96 without Howard---they could have won without Reggie---they could have won without any one single player on the squad but they would NOT have won it without Favre.

It was not all FAvre for sure, but they are not in the Super Bowl with Jim Harbough or Doug Peterson or Ty Detmer in charge.

That's not the point of chicken's comment. You just happened to come stumbling along and blew his assertion all to hell.

And you're full of crap if you think they couldn't have won a Superbowl with Brunell and the rest of the talent on that team. You take Reggie off that team and the defense takes a major hit, he was that good.

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Originally posted by Henry:
Bart Starr interview and stats

Henry, thanks so much for posting that article. The interview with Bart is fantastic. Have any truer words been spoken than these?

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Along the way, we may have uncovered the reason why history, in the judgment of the Cold, Hard Football Facts, slights the legacy of Starr: he’s an extraordinarily humble and grateful man who deflected every bit of praise thrown his way and attributed every accomplishment to others. It seems, in other words, that Starr is a better passer than a receiver...

But here's another way of looking at it: maybe that humility and that desire to give the credit to others is simply further confirmation of what the Cold, Hard Football Facts have already told us: that Starr’s the best. Selfish leaders don't share the credit. Selfish quarterbacks, quite frankly, don’t win a ring for every finger.

Really shrinking the scope of your argument. From 16 years to 1 year now.

It was 27-21 Packers in the 3rd quarter, when Howard ran back that kick. That was the game.

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Originally posted by Floridarob:

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Originally posted by Henry:

Took all of 2 posts to blow that out of the water.



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take Favre off of any of those teams and see exactly how close they get to the playoffs or even a winning season. Take any other player on the team off the squad and leave FAvre on and they still get as far as they did. So much for blowing something out of the water. I am not a FAvre apologist but I surely give him the credit he deserves.

Packers had a great team in 1996 but that team could have won in 96 without Howard---they could have won without Reggie---they could have won without any one single player on the squad but they would NOT have won it without Favre.

It was not all FAvre for sure, but they are not in the Super Bowl with Jim Harbough or Doug Peterson or Ty Detmer in charge.

They would have been in and won the Super Bowl with Brunnell. When Favre threatened a holdout before the 1994 season, Holmgren told him that the team would commit to Brunnell and Favre would be on the bench if and when he came back.

The Packer team headed by Wolf and Holmgren would have won a Super Bowl with a qb other than Favre. The rest of the team was too talented and those two guys were too committed to let one position hold them back.

And remember, in 1996, it wasn't like they had a lot of competition. They played a second year expansion team in the NFC Championship game. They would have beat that team with any of those guys you mentioned. The best team the Packers faced that year in the playoffs was in the divisional round against the 49ers.

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Originally posted by Mick730:

They would have been in and won the Super Bowl with Brunnell.

I suppose that is possible. It is also possible they wouldn't have been. I will go out on a limb I don't know for sure. I do know he won the MVP that year so I guess he had a part in their success.

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Originally posted by who:
Really shrinking the scope of your argument. From 16 years to 1 year now.

It was 27-21 Packers in the 3rd quarter, when Howard ran back that kick. That was the game.

and after that, the defense took over. the pats did nothing on offense. I believe reggie white sacked bledsoe three times in the fourth quarter.

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Originally posted by Floridarob:

Packers had a great team in 1996 but that team could have won in 96 without Howard---they could have won without Reggie---they could have won without any one single player on the squad but they would NOT have won it without Favre.

Yeah well, you know that's just, like, your opinion, man.

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Originally posted by Boris:
Childress at Winter Park at 7 AM this morning

Or was that Childress at Winter park this morning? My sources say it was one of these three guys:

People forget that Howard also had 90 yards on punt returns in that Super Bowl game. In addition to the 154 yards on kick returns. I never felt it was an error to give him the MVP. He deserved it.

In the first quarter, he ran back a punt 32 yards, setting us up at the GB 45. Favre then threw to Rison for the first points.

In the second quarter, Howard ran a punt back 34 yards, setting us up at the GB 47. We ended up getting a field goal out of this drive.

After the Pats had pulled to 27-21, Howard ran back the ensuing kickoff for a td, and we went for two points and converted. Howard, I feel, was directly responsible for half our points in that game.

Another 3 of those remaining points should be applied to Doug Evans. Evans picked off Bledsoe on the NE 28. We stumbled around and then kicked a field goal.

Mike Prior also picked off Bledsoe, shutting down another drive.

But it was all Favre, we're now learning.

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Originally posted by Mick730:
Favre may be 40, but he acts like he's a 13 year old girl.

So that's why Chmura hung out with Brett!!!

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Originally posted by who:
Mike Prior also picked off Bledsoe, shutting down another drive.

Thanks for reminding me about him. Never saw a guy make a fair catch better than Mike Prior.

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Originally posted by Goalline:

Maybe CKA, the doctor, is making a house call on TOG to repair the torn biceps.

With hairpiece and spectacles:

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Originally posted by Boris:
Childress at Winter Park at 7 AM this morning

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Purple Pride says:

May 7th, 2009 at 9:40 am

maybe it was Bus Cook. Him and Chili must go to the same stylist and ask for the ‘pedophile’ look.

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Originally posted by Floridarob:
---they could have won without Reggie---

Who would have sacked Bledsoe 3 times in a row?

Brett Favre, of course.

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Originally posted by CS Pack:
Let's compare Bart and TOG. Bart was actually fired by the Packers. TOG was not. Bart knew when it was time to quit as a player, albeit a year or 2 too late. TOG does not. Bart never trashed the Packers front office or gave other teams info on beating them. TOG has done that. Bart is welcome back in Lambeau anytime and has come back many times altho it was hard the 1st time after being fired as coach. TOG welcome back at Lambeau, .

Bart Starr, the greatest Green Bay Packer QB ever.

You forgot NFL Championships:

Bart Starr: 5
TOG: 1

That's the only stat that matters.

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Originally posted by Henry:

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Originally posted by Hauser:

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Originally posted by Henry:
I gotta think all the negative press he's getting right now is making this attention whore think twice. I'm guessing it's the battle between his ego and the actual consequences to his legacy.

He's probably not even paying attention to it. After all, he told Bus he didn't know where all this talk came from.

Looks like ego won.

But it's all rumors!

- Wow, Superman.

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One key topic will be the condition of the partially torn biceps in Favre's throwing arm that derailed his only season as a member of the New York Jets. But a resolution to that situation appears close -- and the sides could reach a deal quickly.

Favre, according to NFL sources, is agreeable to undergoing a minor procedure in which surgeons complete the cutting of the tendon. The recovery period would be quick, and Favre would be ready to go long before training camp.

- Its that easy, huh. So now his brain AND his arm are questionable?