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Originally posted by TXPack:
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I'm not reading a lot of whining... mostly posts about let him play and watch him fail.

H5. I am not sure what post you are reading.
What I can understand is why posters on X4 give a free ride to Rodgers. Rodgers could not pull out a 4th quarter victory last year, but the posters on X4 four gave him a pass with the excuses of poor defensive play, injuries to the team and Rodgers himself. Farve had these issues for mostly his 16 years and rarely received the pass that Rodgers has gotten.

Farve played well in 07 and in 08 until he was injured, now he is no longer a viable QB according to X4 posters and is set up for failure. Does this mean that Rodgers is not a viable QB?

Though I enjoy the X4 post, I've learned the double standard that exist in this forum. I hope Rodgers turns out to be a quarter of what Favre was in GB, but I do not think he will be...time will tell.
If Favre decides to play for Minny and has a good year..what will the excuses and slander be then.

Go slurp on favre at some queen board, loser.

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Farve had these issues for mostly his 16 years and rarely received the pass that Rodgers has gotten.


That statement right there you lose any sort of credibility.



TGBPR: Really. How. Because you disagree with it or because it's true. Your response is what loses credability because you cannot validate it. Explain why GB was 6-10 last year. Just curious to know what your analysis is. I assume it will be the same as virtually everyone else who posted here.

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Originally posted by TXPack:
I hope Rodgers turns out to be a quarter of what Favre was in GB, but I do not think he will be...time will tell.

This right here says all I need to know.

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Originally posted by TXPack:
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I'm not reading a lot of whining... mostly posts about let him play and watch him fail.

H5. I am not sure what post you are reading.
What I can understand is why posters on X4 give a free ride to Rodgers. Rodgers could not pull out a 4th quarter victory last year, but the posters on X4 four gave him a pass with the excuses of poor defensive play, injuries to the team and Rodgers himself. Farve had these issues for mostly his 16 years and rarely received the pass that Rodgers has gotten.

Farve played well in 07 and in 08 until he was injured, now he is no longer a viable QB according to X4 posters and is set up for failure. Does this mean that Rodgers is not a viable QB?

Though I enjoy the X4 post, I've learned the double standard that exist in this forum. I hope Rodgers turns out to be a quarter of what Favre was in GB, but I do not think he will be...time will tell.
If Favre decides to play for Minny and has a good year..what will the excuses and slander be then.

If Favre plays for the Vikings and sucks as bad as he did for the Jets, what will your excuse be?

See if you can understand this. I'm not whining. I want Favre to play for Minnesota. Get that?

And why is it that Favrists cannnot discuss Favre without taking a poke at Aaron Rodgers? I think most of you must be these twenty something nitwits, overweight except for their well defined thumbs, who believe everything and anything the television tells them, and who mistakenly believe that there was nothing in Green Bay before Favre and there will be nothing after him.

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Originally posted by TXPack:
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I'm not reading a lot of whining... mostly posts about let him play and watch him fail.

H5. I am not sure what post you are reading.
What I can understand is why posters on X4 give a free ride to Rodgers. Rodgers could not pull out a 4th quarter victory last year, but the posters on X4 four gave him a pass with the excuses of poor defensive play, injuries to the team and Rodgers himself. Farve had these issues for mostly his 16 years and rarely received the pass that Rodgers has gotten.

Farve played well in 07 and in 08 until he was injured, now he is no longer a viable QB according to X4 posters and is set up for failure. Does this mean that Rodgers is not a viable QB?

Though I enjoy the X4 post, I've learned the double standard that exist in this forum. I hope Rodgers turns out to be a quarter of what Favre was in GB, but I do not think he will be...time will tell.
If Favre decides to play for Minny and has a good year..what will the excuses and slander be then.

Up until Favre started acting like a prima dona many here gave him the same kind of "free ride" you accuse this board of giving Rodgers.
Rodgers WAS called on his poor play by more than one poster here. Maybe you should actually know some of the history of the posting on this site before you comment on the current posting. What you perceive as a "pass" may have been because Rodgers came in and played well. Will he get that same "pass" years from now? Probably not.
Did you actually watch the Packers last year, or only the Jets? Rodgers played well many times in the 4th only to see the defense blow the game. A defense that had some major injuries at key positions. That's not an excuse.....it's fact!

You stated Favre never got a free pass in GB. That is pure and utter garbage. Billy ran the wrong route, Antonio dropped the pass, Big Earl missed a block, Ahman fumbled, Sherman/Rossley called lousy plays, Gastineau was a bad guy so it was OK that Favre took a dive to give Strahan the record and so on and so forth.

There's a reason someone came up with the Brett Favre excusomatic.

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Originally posted by TXPack:
GB was 6-10 last year. Just curious to know what your analysis is. I assume it will be the same as virtually everyone else who posted here.

Why don't you tell us why the Packers were 6-10 last season. I'd love to hear this.

That's what I can't figure out. TxPack comes on here whining about it but what would he say about Terrell Owens? I don't think it's a race thing, I think it's due to the fact that Favre hid it well enough over the years. Only when TT actually said no to him, starting with the poop canning of Sherman, that he completely exposed himself.


What does Owens have to do with this? Not a Cowboy's fan. This is now typical of this forum, unlike several years ago. Posters like you who have no merit in there post, but can only find non-collaborative statements such as this. I realize that I am a minority here because I like Favre. But at least try to accept it and post with constructive comments. Maybe follow H5 and a few others who can actually discuss it. They may not like it, but they post there opinions with validity.

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Originally posted by TXPack:
Farve played well in 07 and in 08 until he was injured, now he is no longer a viable QB according to X4 posters and is set up for failure.

I don't recall any injuries in the last 6 games in 05, 06, & 07.

Here are his stats for the last 6 games of each year since 2005

Date - Attempt, Completions, Yards, TD, Int, QB Rating

2005:
11/27 - 15 Att, 33 Comp, 171 Yds, 1 TD, 2 INT, 46.4 QB Rating
12/04 - 31, 58, 277, 2, 2, 52.2
12/11 - 21, 31, 170, 1, 3, 67.9
12/19 - 14, 29, 144, 0, 2, 34.3
12/25 - 30, 41, 317, 0, 4, 44.3
01/01 - 21, 27, 259, 1, 1, 76.3

2006:
11/27 - 22, 36, 266, 1, 3, 58.3
12/03 - 24, 47, 214, 1, 2, 53.0
12/10 - 22, 34, 293, 2, 0, 111.5
12/17 - 20, 37, 174, 0, 3, 32.9
12/21 - 26, 50, 285, 0, 2, 52.5
12/31 - 21, 42, 285, 1, 1, 70,0

2007:
11/22 - 31, 41, 381, 3, 0, 128.2
11/29 - 5, 14, 56, 0, 2, 8.9
12/09 - 15, 23, 266, 2, 1, 115.5
12/16 - 19, 30, 225, 2, 2, 80.6
12/23 - 17, 32, 153, 0, 2, 40.2
12/30 - 9, 11, 99, 2, 0, 143.8

2008:
11/23 - 25, 32, 224, 2, 1, 103.6
11/30 - 23, 43, 147, 0, 1, 60.9
12/07 - 20, 31, 137, 0, 1, 60.8
12/14 - 17, 30, 207, 1, 2, 61.4
12/21 - 18, 31, 187, 0, 2, 48.7
12/28 - 20, 40, 233, 1, 3, 45.1

In the 24 games mentioned (the last 6 for each of the last 4 years), he has had 5 great games(QB rating over 100) (2 were against Detroit and one against Oakland in 2007 when both teams were bad).
He has had 2 Average games (Rating between 75 and 100)
He has had 17 Bad games (QB rating lower than 75).

Out of the same 24 games, he has only gone 2 games without throwing an interception, yet has gone 10 games without throwing a touchdown.

He has also thrown 21 TD's and 42 Interceptions in those last 24 games.


I'm not going to rehash the baseless argument that Rodgers can't win down the stretch. Search the board as there were numerous posts that completely debunked that opinion.

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Originally posted by TXPack:
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Farve had these issues for mostly his 16 years and rarely received the pass that Rodgers has gotten.


That statement right there you lose any sort of credibility.



TGBPR: Really. How. Because you disagree with it or because it's true. Your response is what loses credability because you cannot validate it. Explain why GB was 6-10 last year. Just curious to know what your analysis is. I assume it will be the same as virtually everyone else who posted here.

You want an explanation of 6-10 last year? I will be glad to comply; but first you explain the following:

1. Since you want to blame Rodgers for the 6-10 season last year, do you blame Favre for the 4-12 season in 2005? If not, why not? If Rodgers is to blame because he was the QB last season, then surely Favre is to blame for the disaster in 2005.

2. Favre's performance in playoff games the last ten years.

a. That brilliant performance in St. Louis. What was that again? Remind me? Was it 7 interceptions, with three of them returned for TD's by the Rams? I don't remember exactly, but I'm sure you can help me out.

b. That magnificent performance by Favre against the Falcons, a dome team no less, in Lambeau? The first loss ever by a Packer team in Lambeau during the playoffs.

c. The most magnificent pass I've ever seen in the OT against Philly. It was so beautiful, it almost looked like a punt. Remember that one?

d. The playoff loss to the Vikings, at Lambeau, after the 2004 season. Does that jolt your memory at all?

f. The second most beautiful pass ever thrown in OT in a Packer playoff game, the NFC championship game against the Giants.

The double standard rests with Favre's performance over the years. Overhyped and devoid of any and all criticism.

Face it. You're a cultist.

Hungry5 - don't worry the reason for those stats was because it was cold weather. Since he'll be playing in the dump those bad games will cease to exist. Trust me, a Viking fan told me this so it has to be true.

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Originally posted by The GBP Rules:
You stated Favre never got a free pass in GB. That is pure and utter garbage. Billy ran the wrong route, Antonio dropped the pass, Big Earl missed a block, Ahman fumbled, Sherman/Rossley called lousy plays, Gastineau was a bad guy so it was OK that Favre took a dive to give Strahan the record and so on and so forth.

There's a reason someone came up with the Brett Favre excusomatic.

You hit the nail right on the head. With Favrists like TXPack, the Packers only won because of Favre and when they lost, it was because the rest of the team let Favre down.

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Did you actually watch the Packers last year, or only the Jets? Rodgers played well many times in the 4th only to see the defense blow the game. A defense that had some major injuries at key positions. That's not an excuse.....it's fact!

Watched every game last year of the Pack. You just validated what I was waiting for.

"A defense that had some major injuries at key positions. That's not an excuse.....it's fact!"

Rodgers had no ability to win close games. Okay, well chalk that up to a injured defense and see how he fairs this year. Your logic has no logic.

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Originally posted by TXPack:

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Did you actually watch the Packers last year, or only the Jets? Rodgers played well many times in the 4th only to see the defense blow the game. A defense that had some major injuries at key positions. That's not an excuse.....it's fact!

Watched every game last year of the Pack. You just validated what I was waiting for.

"A defense that had some major injuries at key positions. That's not an excuse.....it's fact!"

Rodgers had no ability to win close games. Okay, well chalk that up to a injured defense and see how he fairs this year. Your logic has no logic.

You were waiting for a legitimate reason? Well you got one.
My logic had no logic? Expected response from a guy who refuses to see the obvious.

I ask again....how did we go 6-10 last year. Explain that to me. While you're at it. Might as well explain how Favre being a Packer would have prevented that from happening.

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Your logic has no logic.

The best part of favre going to the queens is he'll drag all his minions like you over to queenland and outa Packerland. Don't let the door hit ya in the ass.

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Originally posted by Mr.Yuck:
how did we go 6-10 last year. Explain that to me. While you're at it. Might as well explain how Favre being a Packer would have prevented that from happening.

Duh! Because Chuck Norris wears Favre jammies to bed.

TXPack -

If you want to quote someone, hit the " icon on the upper right side of the post you want to include in yours. It'll be a lot less confusing.

Note - this is not to be confused with quoting the icon - that's an entirely different level of unintentional comedy.

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Originally posted by JJSD:

Note - this is not to be confused with quoting the icon - that's an entirely different level of unintentional comedy.

Eerily similar in posting style.

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Originally posted by TXPack:

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Did you actually watch the Packers last year, or only the Jets? Rodgers played well many times in the 4th only to see the defense blow the game. A defense that had some major injuries at key positions. That's not an excuse.....it's fact!

Watched every game last year of the Pack. You just validated what I was waiting for.

"A defense that had some major injuries at key positions. That's not an excuse.....it's fact!"

Rodgers had no ability to win close games. Okay, well chalk that up to a injured defense and see how he fairs this year. Your logic has no logic.

Troll.

Want to address the boatload of logical arguments against your position on the previous pages or will you continue to merely fan the fire with your very selective thought process? Maybe you're only capable of one sentence at a time......

Nice job H5 and Mick.

Its official now they are printing Favre Jerseys in Minneapolis getting ready for a big windfall for the vendors .Also Espn will be giving details of the Chilly Favre meeting coming right up.I wonder if they will be meeting on a train.

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Originally posted by Monroe:

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He already has.

You saw the game in St. Louis in '01, Philly in '03...I'll stop there

But he never beat GB, may thats all he want's, I know it is really TT but just maybe

He sure has beat GB, many times. Look at his last game as a Packer for reference.

It's friggen hilarious that the Favre slurpers can't recognize the mere fact TOG took the Jets down the Toilet due to his pathetic play in the last 6 games of the season. In fact, besides the Pat game, Favre tried to lose the games they won such as the Cincy game.

From Banks:

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So let me get this straight: Favre still has a partially torn biceps in his throwing arm, hasn't worked out at all this offseason, turns 40 in October, and lost four of his final five starts last season, throwing nine interceptions, two touchdowns, with a passer rating of 55.4?

Yeah, I can see why the Vikings would jump all over him.

Take any emotion out of it. Looking at it from a pure football standpoint, indeed makes you wonder what the Vikes are thinking. If this is the kind of QB they want running their team, Packer/Bear/Lion fans should be smiling.

True PB, but wouldn't today's Joe Namath be an improvement over Sagaris Jacksonfels.

Just listened to the Mort poscast... wow!

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Originally posted by TXPack:

What I can understand is why posters on X4 give a free ride to Rodgers. Rodgers could not pull out a 4th quarter victory last year, but the posters on X4 four gave him a pass with the excuses of poor defensive play, injuries to the team and Rodgers himself. Farve had these issues for mostly his 16 years and rarely received the pass that Rodgers has gotten.

In my best John McEnroe voice.......

YOU CANNOT BE SERIOUS WITH THAT SENTENCE!!

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Since you have all banished him into exile, why do you continue to care what happens or what he says, does or decides....is there concern on your part? You post as if you hate him, but you continue to post.

We don't care what happens. It's just that he can't get enough of the spotlight and people like you think he's the second coming of Christ.

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True PB, but wouldn't today's Joe Namath be an improvement over Sagaris Jacksonfels.

While humorous, this is my main concern. Even with his drop in play (and assuming the injury was an issue), you'd have to put Favre in the top half of the league's QBs. That's a major improvement from the 30-32 range the Queens are sitting in now.

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Originally posted by Mick730:
I want Favre to play for Minnesota.

Absolutely.

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Originally posted by TXPack:
injuries to the team and Rodgers himself. Farve had these issues for mostly his 16 years and rarely received the pass that Rodgers has gotten.

WHAT?!? This is truly the most idiotic post ever. Yeah, those Superbowl teams sure sucked with the sloppy defense. Yeah, nobody gave Favre a pass when his thumb was messed up. What a pure load of manufactured crap. These are the kind of utterly ridiculous fabrications that piss me off to no end.

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Farve played well in 07 and in 08 until he was injured, now he is no longer a viable QB according to X4 posters and is set up for failure. Does this mean that Rodgers is not a viable QB?

How did he play in 05 and 06 when he was "gunslingin' it"? How about when he was in his prime with his boy Sherman (pun intended) only to watch he completely melt down in the playoffs over and over again. I made excuses, ALMOST ALL of us made excuses for Favre. Want to go dig out the 4 and 26th threads? Christ, what a f'in joke.

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Though I enjoy the X4 post, I've learned the double standard that exist in this forum. I hope Rodgers turns out to be a quarter of what Favre was in GB, but I do not think he will be...time will tell.

The double standard is whatever you've created in your damn head. There is a boatload of facts, actions, commentary as to the reverence that Favre received here and elsewhere. Just because we live by the "don't piss down my leg and tell me it's raining" philosophy doesn't mean there's a double standard.

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If Favre decides to play for Minny and has a good year..what will the excuses and slander be then.

Slander? Excuses? Go join a cult, that's where you belong.

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Originally posted by TXPack:

Posters like you who have no merit in there post, but can only find non-collaborative statements such as this. I realize that I am a minority here because I like Favre. But at least try to accept it and post with constructive comments. Maybe follow H5 and a few others who can actually discuss it. They may not like it, but they post there opinions with validity.

Because entering into a argument with a fool is less productive than putting the damn wood to the foolish argument in the first place. You have the nerve to talk of "validity"?! Why the hell would I "collaborate" with a phrase that has as much merit as "Jesus rode a dinosaur"? You're behind the damn eight ball here. I want a explanation as to how Favre had to play with poor defenses and injuries his whole career. That simple statement alone puts you in such a ridiculous light it's unreal. I'm going to camp on that farce of statement until you give me a answer.

Ever hear the phrase "Milkbone undies"? Well, you just slapped on a Milkbone union suit.

What is happening today does not take away the joy I have when Favre lobs that pass to Rison in the superbowl. It doesn't detract from how great that game against the Raiders was. And just like last year, playing for another team means little about how I root for the Pack this year.

My objective perspective? I don't see Favre leaving and AR replacing as the reason for lost games last year. I like what I see with Aaron and I will take it 10 times out of 10 vs. what I saw out of Favre last year. Favre was a winner and one of the greatest players ever to suit up in Green and Gold, but he now is at best a distraction. Favre news is news the same way Paris Hilton is famous for being famous.

I don't fault Favre for wanting to play football, I fault him for being a dick about it.

I fault Favre for being 40 years old and wanting to play football when he should have retired 5 years ago.

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Originally posted by GBFanForLife:
I fault Favre for being 40 years old and wanting to play football when he should have retired 5 years ago.

Holy crap...if you're looking to turn the attention away from TX Troll onto yourself, this should work pretty good.

Aren't you usually smarter than this?

That is my honest opinion. When he first had thoughts about retirement and started waffling he should have retired. What has he done in the last 5 years? With the way Sherman was running the team into the ground, he should have retired.
though in one way I am glad he didn't retire because then they might not have drafted Rodgers. Who knows who they would have for a QB.

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That is my honest opinion.

Hence the difference between an honest opinion and an educated opinion.

So CKA is flying to Hooterville to meat with Favruh? The enabling begins.

I remember when Favre threatened a hold out in the offseason in 94 or 95 when he wanted a new contract. Holmgren told him that if he didn't show up on time, he would committ to Mark Brunnell as the team's qb and that Favre would sit on the bench when he decided to show up. At that stage in his career, Favre knew full well that he needed Holmgren and the Packers far more than they needed him.

I'm guilty of the same things Henry posted earlier in this thread. The playoff loss in St. Louis; I blamed it on the Packer wideouts. The playoff loss against the Falcons; I blamed it on injuries. The playoff loss against the Eagles; I blamed it on the secondary and the defensive coordinator. The playoff loss against the Vikings; I blamed Sherman. I gave Favre a free pass. It never entered my mind to criticise the guy. It was almost like he was the second coming of Bart Starr. And he wasn't. Not even close.

What changed was when Favre went to his drama queen routine; constantly looking for attention, or maybe a distraction from how mediocre his play had actually become over the years. His annual, should I retire or should I play thing was just that; either looking for attention or trying to divert attention from his failings as a player. Then he pulled that stunt over Randy Moss. And the way he so obviously did not want to play that day against the Bears; when it was reported that during warm-ups he told the rest of the guys on offense that there was no way they could play in that weather. WTF? A quarterback for the Green Bay Packers not wanting to play in the cold? Right. My guess is that had Favre been the QB for the Packers in the Ice Bowl, he would have thrown a pass up for grabs and lost the game.

And finally, that performance against the Giants. It was like, 'I'm cold and I want outa here, so I'm just throwing this ball up in the air and see if one of our guys catches it. If not, I'm outta here'.

So, when he retired, it was like, ok, fine. He's old, he hasn't played like anything special in a decade, and I'm tired of this routine. But when he pulled all his crap last summer, I wrote him off.

And you guys know what? I think the Packers would have won a Super Bowl under Holmgren and Wolf with Brunnell. Or Hasselback. Or somebody. I'm fully convinced now that it was Holmgren, Wolf and the defense that made that 1996 team special; not Brett Favre. If Trent Dilfer and some of these other stiffs won Super Bowls, then Brunnell could have won a Super Bowl with the Packers in 1996.

That's how over Brett Favre I am.

were only one plane crash away from the end of this nonsense

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Originally posted by MN Cheese:
educated opinion.

Exactly what is an educated opinion about a guy who will turn 40 playing in the NFL?