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Originally posted by titmfatied:

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Originally posted by JJSD:
The bottom line is that the SOLE reason he wants to come back is not for the love of the game, to make one more run at a title, but to piss on the franchise that made him who he is and the fans who put $150M in his pocket

Moronic is saying he's ever been mad at the fans. Show one quote over 16 years where he's ever complained about the fans treatment. Brett Favre made himself with his play and the fans looked past his crappy character because of it. You think he owes you his career from start to finish because the Packers let him be the starting QB for 16 years. Is it all about Packer's management or is it about the fans? You come off like the typical guy who thinks the players personally owe you something for following the team. Get over yourself.

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Originally posted by Coach:

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Originally posted by titmfatied:

You guys slurp each other off better than anyone ever slurped Favre. What's the need to feel so hurt by a guy wanting to play football when the guy who took over is more than capable? Sour bithces the lot of you. The irony in the posts on this thread calling out a whiner of a football player is priceless. They lambast Favre for wanting revenge and project abject failure onto him at the same time. Some people seemingly can't help themselves from endlessly wallowing in the negative of his career instead of looking back on the good and looking forward to the promise of the Packer's future. You pat yourselves on the back but how you express your thoughts on Favre shows how much in common you have with him.

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Originally posted by Mick730:
I remember when Favre threatened a hold out in the offseason in 94 or 95 when he wanted a new contract. Holmgren told him that if he didn't show up on time, he would committ to Mark Brunnell as the team's qb and that Favre would sit on the bench when he decided to show up. At that stage in his career, Favre knew full well that he needed Holmgren and the Packers far more than they needed him.

I'm guilty of the same things Henry posted earlier in this thread. The playoff loss in St. Louis; I blamed it on the Packer wideouts. The playoff loss against the Falcons; I blamed it on injuries. The playoff loss against the Eagles; I blamed it on the secondary and the defensive coordinator. The playoff loss against the Vikings; I blamed Sherman. I gave Favre a free pass. It never entered my mind to criticise the guy. It was almost like he was the second coming of Bart Starr. And he wasn't. Not even close.

What changed was when Favre went to his drama queen routine; constantly looking for attention, or maybe a distraction from how mediocre his play had actually become over the years. His annual, should I retire or should I play thing was just that; either looking for attention or trying to divert attention from his failings as a player. Then he pulled that stunt over Randy Moss. And the way he so obviously did not want to play that day against the Bears; when it was reported that during warm-ups he told the rest of the guys on offense that there was no way they could play in that weather. WTF? A quarterback for the Green Bay Packers not wanting to play in the cold? Right. My guess is that had Favre been the QB for the Packers in the Ice Bowl, he would have thrown a pass up for grabs and lost the game.

And finally, that performance against the Giants. It was like, 'I'm cold and I want outa here, so I'm just throwing this ball up in the air and see if one of our guys catches it. If not, I'm outta here'.

So, when he retired, it was like, ok, fine. He's old, he hasn't played like anything special in a decade, and I'm tired of this routine. But when he pulled all his crap last summer, I wrote him off.

And you guys know what? I think the Packers would have won a Super Bowl under Holmgren and Wolf with Brunnell. Or Hasselback. Or somebody. I'm fully convinced now that it was Holmgren, Wolf and the defense that made that 1996 team special; not Brett Favre. If Trent Dilfer and some of these other stiffs won Super Bowls, then Brunnell could have won a Super Bowl with the Packers in 1996.

That's how over Brett Favre I am.

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Originally posted by Boris:
I can tell you this much, FOX execs will be doing cartwheels if they have a chance to air both of the games.

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Originally posted by California Pack Fan:

You know I am trying hard to understand your position here but can't. Yea Favre is who he is but every week we cheered or died with him and maybe we thought it would be forever and that being a Green Bay Packer meant as much to him as it does to us as Packer FANS.

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Originally posted by JJSD:Why is your hero...

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He owes the people (that's all of us, not me) what he has as much as himself. He owes the opportunity he got to make his money some scintilla of dignity and honor.

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Originally posted by titmfatied:

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Originally posted by California Pack Fan:

You know I am trying hard to understand your position here but can't. Yea Favre is who he is but every week we cheered or died with him and maybe we thought it would be forever and that being a Green Bay Packer meant as much to him as it does to us as Packer FANS.

My point is simply that it's a testament to how well he played QB for the Packers that after they found someone they could move into the future with some other team in the NFL still wanted him to play for them. More than one team knew everything that came with the Favre circus and wanted a shot at him anyway. Looking forward I think it's a tremendous credit to Aaron Rodgers that the Packer's beleive he is prepared to develop with the young core of this team into a guy who can produce at championship level. The Packers just weren't a team that were suited to taking a three year gamble on a guy that either wins a title to make the fans feel good or sets the franchise back for a decade. They're looking to ride a cresting wave of core players developing into their prime starting sooner rather than later and a quarterback on the descending curve of his career is counterproductive to that goal.

TT had a hand in trying to move Favre towards realizing the same thing the team was planing towards and to his credit TT stood his ground. The best thing for management was Favre looking at things the way they did and saying this franchise took a chance on me, gave me opportunity, and stuck by me and I'll just get out of the way for the future. I think he tried to do the honorable thing and walk away. I think he saw the writing on the wall but his gut wouldn't let him quit. That's everything I've ever admired about Favre.

I think for professional players looking at it from the inside the people make the organizaion more than the uniform. It's understandable he was uncomfortable with the youth movement. TT to his credit was loyal to the task he was handed when he was hired and did everything possible to take the Packers in the direction he felt was best for the future. He put his own ass on the line against arguably the most popular player ever to play for the Packer's and did it with such class that near everyone including me has come to accept his vision. From a management perspective GB isn't the place for a Brett Favre these days. Minnesota unfortunately is his perfect situation with a coaching staff he knows, a playbook nearly identical to one he's run in GB, arguably the best RB in the game, a solid defense and a former golf buddy. It's the perfect spot for a guy who's team has left him behind and I can't get mad at him for taking advantage of that opportunity.

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Originally posted by California Pack Fan:
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Now that I understand where you are coming from. I still diagree with your take to go to the Vikings he has to know this is tresion and he will be know as Green Bays Benedict Arnold! To my knowledge there has been no other player of his stature that has come back to play for a team in their division. I was OK and still would be OK if he was playing for the JETS or anybody else in the AFC. Look most great players don't know when to hang them up but that doesn't mean go play for the rivals. So I think Mr. Favre needs to relly think this decision through because I for one will not want to see his number retired anytime soon!

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Originally posted by titmfatied:


....Favre looking at things the way they did and saying this franchise took a chance on me, gave me opportunity, and stuck by me and I'll just get out of the way for the future. I think he tried to do the honorable thing and walk away. I think he saw the writing on the wall but his gut wouldn't let him quit. That's everything I've ever admired about Favre.

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It's the perfect spot for a guy who's team has left him behind and I can't get mad at him for taking advantage of that opportunity.

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Originally posted by titmfatied:

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Originally posted by California Pack Fan:
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Now that I understand where you are coming from. I still diagree with your take to go to the Vikings he has to know this is tresion and he will be know as Green Bays Benedict Arnold! To my knowledge there has been no other player of his stature that has come back to play for a team in their division. I was OK and still would be OK if he was playing for the JETS or anybody else in the AFC. Look most great players don't know when to hang them up but that doesn't mean go play for the rivals. So I think Mr. Favre needs to relly think this decision through because I for one will not want to see his number retired anytime soon!

I fully respect your opinion that it's treason and understand not wanting his number retired anytime soon. The fact that it's the Vikes is not lost on me. I just accept it for what it is. Irrational, child like, rage. He always played with the enthusiasm of a kid and it's not surprising when he acts like one. I'm not rooting for him to succeed, I just understand why he's playing where he's playing. I think when all is said and done he'll be remembered for what he did in his days as a Packer.

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Originally posted by titmfatied:
Good point Boris. I can be as vindictive and evil as it comes. Guess that's why I feel like this place is home . I just wish people would own up to it instead of pretending they're holier than the guy in some way.

Cally: Favre is who is he is and he's been that way forever. I think many people are upset with how they blindly defended the guy for 16 years then opened up to his true colors and all of a sudden feel wronged. If you never bought that he was as All American as apple pie in the first place you could care less how he embarrasses his word at the end of his career. All of a sudden he's a phony but how long ago was that interview where he said he gave up drinking and he was drunk off his butt at the time. He's always been two faced but he took the field for the Packers on many a day when he could have easily said screw it and I'll always respect him for that even if it was only for fear of losing his job. Starting at QB for the GB Packers has never meant as much to anyone as it has to Favre and he proved it for every single start over 16 years.

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Originally posted by Floridarob:
the crawfish etoufee was pretty damn good too. Just like my Mom used to make.

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Originally posted by emak:

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Originally posted by titmfatied:
However you value people is up to you but to me the painkillers cast a huge doubt. He was playing with inhuman amounts of pain and I was never 100% sure if it wasn't helped along. It was a huge deal at the time and any Packer fan had to have some reasoning for it. To be honest I thought he may have been a pill head and that's how he got through. Apparently that was true at one point. Doesn't make him a bad guy in my eyes but it doesn't make him look squeaky clean either.

Weren't there rampant rumors about the guy cheating on his wife early in his career? Admittedly, I didn't hear about it till long after the fact but for anyone who cares enough isn't that a huge flag?

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Originally posted by titmfatied:

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Originally posted by Mick730:
Man, I can't wait for that game against the Vikings in Lambeau! I haven't had a real hate going for an opposing player since some of Ditka's Bears.

Fair to take shots at that TX guy but own up to your own. If you didn't hate Sapp for that hit on Clifton, Randle for his ashholery or whoever that kid was on the Vikes that was talking **** but never backed it up you're just as embarrasing a Packer fan as that guy.

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Originally posted by Coach:

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Originally posted by emak:

Every time I see that picture (or replay) I can't help myself from hoping he'll check down to the back this time.

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Originally posted by Oldtimer:
No less than the Governor of Minnesota, Tim the Tool Pawlenty, has weighed in on the possibility of Favre as a Queen:

Tim Pawlenty said putting the former Green Bay Packer in purple would be . . . "a wonderful little salt to rub in the eyes of some of our Green Bay Packer friends."

Pawlenty laid out the scene: "Can you imagine Brett Favre going into Lambeau Field in Viking purple and maybe even wearing No. 4? There would be audible gasps. There would be 60,000 audible gasps as he came out of the tunnel."

Nice. Stay classy Tim.

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Originally posted by titmfatied:
However you value people is up to you but to me the painkillers cast a huge doubt. He was playing with inhuman amounts of pain and I was never 100% sure if it wasn't helped along. It was a huge deal at the time and any Packer fan had to have some reasoning for it. To be honest I thought he may have been a pill head and that's how he got through. Apparently that was true at one point. Doesn't make him a bad guy in my eyes but it doesn't make him look squeaky clean either.

Weren't there rampant rumors about the guy cheating on his wife early in his career? Admittedly, I didn't hear about it till long after the fact but for anyone who cares enough isn't that a huge flag?


Really, you thought back then he might be using? Wow, you were 100% more clairvoyant the the rest of the nation then, because it was a huge scoop when it happened and most of America was absolutely shocked. So you knew even before ESPN...nice.

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Originally posted by titmfatied:

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Originally posted by Mick730:
Man, I can't wait for that game against the Vikings in Lambeau! I haven't had a real hate going for an opposing player since some of Ditka's Bears.

Fair to take shots at that TX guy but own up to your own. If you didn't hate Sapp for that hit on Clifton, Randle for his ashholery or whoever that kid was on the Vikes that was talking **** but never backed it up you're just as embarrasing a Packer fan as that guy. Here's a clue: You didn't have much of anyone to hate because the Packers were more than likely dusting them before they had a chance. Sorry teams don't dominate in the NFL for 16 years straight. It was so hard living through 16 years with only 15 years having the Packer's either in the playoffs or having a chance the last week of the season. Oh the black days that we suffered through. Spoiled, every one of you.

You guys slurp each other off better than anyone ever slurped Favre. What's the need to feel so hurt by a guy wanting to play football when the guy who took over is more than capable? Sour bithces the lot of you. The irony in the posts on this thread calling out a whiner of a football player is priceless. They lambast Favre for wanting revenge and project abject failure onto him at the same time. Some people seemingly can't help themselves from endlessly wallowing in the negative of his career instead of looking back on the good and looking forward to the promise of the Packer's future. You pat yourselves on the back but how you express your thoughts on Favre shows how much in common you have with him.

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Originally posted by Chronic Hobbit:
This is NSFW, but it's a must read from KSK:

Big Daddy Drew's take on Favre

BDD is a huge Viking homer...but his take on Favre is spot on.

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Originally posted by Henry: ...and are seemingly giving Favre all the credit for the success of those years. That's what's ridiculously tiresome is wholesale discounting of other great players and coaches all to lavish praise on one spoiled child.

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Originally posted by titmfatied:


TT had a hand in trying to move Favre towards realizing the same thing the team was planing towards and to his credit TT stood his ground. The best thing for management was Favre looking at things the way they did and saying this franchise took a chance on me, gave me opportunity, and stuck by me and I'll just get out of the way for the future. I think he tried to do the honorable thing and walk away. I think he saw the writing on the wall but his gut wouldn't let him quit. That's everything I've ever admired about Favre.

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Originally posted by chickenboy:


To be honest,

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even with the staunchest of Favre defenders, never once have I gotten that impression. Maybe I misunderstood because they used words I don't understand like schit or mixed in ***** within other words.

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Originally posted by Floridarob:
For all the "great" players FAvre played with, he never played with another Hall of Fame caliber player on offense and only one on defense with Reggie. The guy should get most of the credit for those years. he was not like Aikman with several hall of fame players, or Montana with several hall of fame players. You could compare Favre mostly to Marino in having to carry a team and for the most part he did it. If he would have had a Randy Moss or Jerry Rice to throw to, I wonder how much greater he could have been.

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Originally posted by Henry: Not spurred on by your mancrush for me. I can send you a autographed picture that you can mutter at under your breath if you like.