TOG scintillating news- Retired. No wait. As of 5/08 [ 2:40pm LAF] maybe not.

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Originally posted by Slayer:
Benedict Arnold was the best General in the American Army and the Hero of many, then he went over to the enemy and failed to make the Hall of Fame. Favres name may live on in infamy around Packerland.

thanks for your opinion of this post. Try talking Packers now

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Originally posted by Diggr14:
Guys,

The Packers had every chance to keep Brett Favre. It was obvious that it wasnt going to happen and they wanted to move on... so... if the guy wants to play and stick it to the team that didnt want him, who can blame him. It happens alot.


It does suck that he was the face of the Franchise the last 15 years, but let's be real... if he wants to play in Minnesota there is nothing wrong with it. I'll hope he does well and the Vikings lose all 16.

If he stays retired, which isnt a bad thing either, im sure you will see him in a NFL Studio sometime giving commentary.


Either way, Brett Favre is a Packer for Life no matter what happens. You cant erase a superbowl win and 15+ fun seasons. So try not to get your panties in a bundle and if the competition happens/it happens and it will be fun to watch AR beat him on the field hopefully.

Quite a good number of us want him to "play" for the Vikings. And the longer, the better. He needs to pad that interception record of his. Besides, what would a post season, or an end of season be, without the annual Brett Favre chokeathon?

Brett Favre in clutch games = Lotto, pick three.

I will be honest I dont want TOG playing for the Vikes and he should not have played for the NYJs. He shouldda stayed a Packer and retired as a Packer.

He didn't though, and he's mostly to blame for it. The Packers would have let him be the guy last year, but he retired on them.

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Originally posted by Hipp:

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Originally posted by grbaypack:
I'm just taking my cue from the Packers organization .... they don't seem too occupied or worried about the whole situation. I applaud them for not getting involved. They've wisely moved on.

Have they really? Or are they just acting like they have because it does the organization zero good to keep the blood feud alive in the media?

Please explain what the Packer Management has done since this latest Retire-Unretire crap has started with Brett again that would lead you to believe that the Packer organization is doing anything but staying out of the situation. Just name ONE thing that the Packer management has done since the sequel "Empty Gun II: Brett Retires/Unretires cause I'm gunna get ya sucka TT".

The reports I always see is that there needs to be healing "on both sides" before Favre could be welcomed back for jersey retirement, Packer HoF enshrinement or whatever other honored alumni function might come up. Maybe the beat reporters are just making assumptions but maybe they've seen enough to know that there is a certain passion about the issue inside the walls of 1265 Lombardi that cannot be made public for professional reasons.

IMHO the Packers will try to honor Brett when it is the best time for the fans and the Packer organization. When that time comes it will be interesting to see if the "blood feud" has ended for Brett.

I still say the best time to honor Brett is at the Packer-Viking game at Lambeau this fall.

We know he is going to be there, so why not ?

Video highlights on the Jumbotron, confetti, fireworks, F-22 flyover, the whole nine yards. Wolf & Holmy in attendance...

The 4 letter network is going to over-hype the game anyway, might as well play along and turn it into a truly memorable evening for all.

If he plays for the queens then I say don't put him in the Packer Hall of Fame until everyone now living is dead, including him. Make him grow old waiting and whinning about it and every year say "This is the year Favre" and then say "NOT" a few months later.

Respectfully disagree.

No need for the Packers to do anything this year except pound the Vikings (with or without #4 in purple), win as many games as possible, work as hard as possible towards winnning the division/making the playoffs, and move closer to once again becoming a dominant team in the conference with a chance to win another Lombardi trophy. The other events will happen when it's time (and I don't happen to believe that's now).

TOG's a FA, and he can sign wherever he chooses (which obviously happens to be Minny-ha-ha) for whatever reason(s) he wants. Unlike last year, the Packers have no say in where he ends up (and it would not have been in the best interests of the Packers to let him go for no compensation (and especially to a division rival with a hole @ QB) while he was still under contract (even after he waffled on his first "official" retirement which happened to occur the day after Moss re-signed in NE).

If "Magua" wanting revenge on the "Grey-hair" is the deciding factor to return after walking out on two teams in two years (after OTA's are over, of course) rather than taking into account all of what donning purple means (or not considering that a compelling enough argument not to) to a fan base that supported him through thick and thin for sixteen years then I again say "so be it".

I happen to think such a decision would be unfortunate (as well as childish), but it's ultimately his life, his career, and his decision to make. That doesn't mean I (or anyone else) have/has to agree with it (or refrain from expressing those feelings).

And should this come to pass (which I think it will), I'll admit to being disappointed. Anger no longer enters the equation because it's not our problem any longer. Enough damage has already been done to the fan base and team in the last year. That doesn't mean he gets a pass, but there's no point in dwelling on what he does from this point forward. It's beyond our control (if not disdain/ridicule). To each his own.

And should the signing occur, I for one certainly hope he doesn't continue to attempt to play the "I'll always be a Packer" card. Those words either mean something, or they don't.

If/when he walks onto Lambeau field in a purple helmet with horns then (as least as spoken by him) that simply isn't the case (literally speaking
that's already been the case for a while).

The difference will be between Brett Favre HOF Packer QB (who nearly the entire state of WI and beyond would have gone to Canton to attend his enshrinement), and Brett Favre HOF QB who played most of his career for the Packers (and the two years he spent dynamiting nearly every bridge he could find on his way out of town).

And that difference will mean more to some of those reading this than it will to him, which is why there's no reason for any further concern (let alone anger).

The debate will continue, but I look forward to resolution (either medically or on the gridiron).

Rhetorical: Why did it take 25 pages in this thread to hear the voice of reason?

Because most of us aren't nearly as effective with these thingies () as Coach is.

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Originally posted by Satori:
I still say the best time to honor Brett is at the Packer-Viking game at Lambeau this fall.

We know he is going to be there, so why not ?

Video highlights on the Jumbotron, confetti, fireworks, F-22 flyover, the whole nine yards. Wolf & Holmy in attendance...

The 4 letter network is going to over-hype the game anyway, might as well play along and turn it into a truly memorable evening for all.

Honor him for his service to the Packers while he is wearing a Vikings uniform? No thanks.

Here's a question. How come everything is so 'top secret' involving this? It is not like he is under contract and tampering is involved (like obviously happened last year).

We all know Chilly is a paranoid moron, but still it doesn't make any sense at all. Unless you draw the conclusion Favre likes to have his stoolies throw this type of garbage to keep his name in the news as much as possible.

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Originally posted by Coach:
Enough damage has already been done to the fan base and team in the last year.

What kind of "damage"?

Other than a lot of superfluous rhetoric flowing back-and-forth, the fan base seems as excited about the Packers as ever, including last season and this coming season. As for the team, a crappy defense and a few other weaknesses resulted in a crappy record - from what I saw most players moved on trying to build their careers and not worry about what was going on with a former Packer.

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Originally posted by Coach:
The debate will continue, but I look forward to resolution (either medically or on the gridiron).

Can't believe this thread is still going on. How many ways can this be hashed and rehashed? Many of us have moved on long ago. But, I guess it's good that some more of you are finally getting it.

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Originally posted by Boris:
Rhetorical: Why did it take 25 pages in this thread to hear the voice of reason?

I missed Henry's post.. where was it?

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Originally posted by Eddie:
Please explain what the Packer Management has done since this latest Retire-Unretire crap has started with Brett again that would lead you to believe that the Packer organization is doing anything but staying out of the situation. Just name ONE thing that the Packer management has done since the sequel "Empty Gun II: Brett Retires/Unretires cause I'm gunna get ya sucka TT".

Nothing. I was merely pointing out that sometimes the public rhetoric is not entirely reflective of the true feelings. The Packers stand nothing to gain but they can lose if they protract the media pissing match. It's good business to take the high road. I'm glad they have. Both for the fanbase and their image with other players (potential FAs). But just because they are practicing good business does not mean that no hard feelings exist inside the walls of 1265. I thought I was pretty clear about that but I guess not. I hope that clears it up.

That was part of the larger point that interest in this is perfectly natural. I think it's a wonderful comedic drama and damn skippy I'm paying attention to every detail I can find. I love seeing Favre leak stuff that is denied by his agent, Sergeant Schultz. I love hearing Wilde speculate that Childress told Zygi what was in that Yahoo! story just to see if Zygi would leak it. I'm loving Favre's version of mini-camp with the Hattiesburg High gang. It's hilarious. I'm relishing the opportunity to watch the drama unfold on the field. All the twists and turns make it like a spy or mystery novel or something. Only better. Because its not make believe. Judging by this thread, I'd say I have a lot of company in that view.

To the best of my knowledge, Favre has not sent X-Rays and MRIs to the Vikes while he was a FA to pave the way for signing in Minnesota. In fact, Favre hasn't ever been a FA before a few weeks ago. That makes all this stuff a brand new issue.

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Originally posted by Mick730:
He needs to pad that interception record of his. Besides, what would a post season, or an end of season be, without the annual Brett Favre chokeathon?

Screw the interception record. No HOF career would be complete without setting the fumble record for a QB. And as I understand it, he is close to that.

Favre just needs to delay long enough to get some resolution to the Williams Wall decision and skip some OTAs

In June, that StarCaps case is scheduled to come up and the results of that case may impact his decision to go for it

In the mean time, vikes cap is effectively frozen. They will need cap space to sign Brett, cap space to sign a WR like Boldin/Edwards and any other toys Brett covets.

Winfield and others will just have to wait...

Favre is getting in shape. He's again working out with high school receivers.

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Originally posted by pacfan:
Favre is getting in shape. He's again working out with high school receivers.

His emotional and intellectual peers.

That's what I love about these high school girls, man. I get older, they stay the same age

So is Favre starting to get like his buddy Mark Chmura by hanging out with high school kids?

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Originally posted by pacfan:
Favre is getting in shape. He's again working out with high school receivers.

Pro Football Talk says (in my paraphrase) that TOG is throwing them off the facemasks of those HS players. "So either Favre can still bring the heat, or Troy Williamson has some young cousins in Mississippi."

Cook says he hasn't "thrown a ball since January".

Heyward Bey?

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Originally posted by Hipp:

That was part of the larger point that interest in this is perfectly natural. I think it's a wonderful comedic drama and damn skippy I'm paying attention to every detail I can find. I love seeing Favre leak stuff that is denied by his agent, Sergeant Schultz. I love hearing Wilde speculate that Childress told Zygi what was in that Yahoo! story just to see if Zygi would leak it. I'm loving Favre's version of mini-camp with the Hattiesburg High gang. It's hilarious. I'm relishing the opportunity to watch the drama unfold on the field. All the twists and turns make it like a spy or mystery novel or something. Only better. Because its not make believe. Judging by this thread, I'd say I have a lot of company in that view.

I'm with Hipp. Sure, I'll be rooting for this year, just like last year, but this is great stuff. You couldn't make this stuff up. Eat your heart out General Hospital!

Also, Coach nailed it with this one:

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The difference will be between Brett Favre HOF Packer QB (who nearly the entire state of WI and beyond would have gone to Canton to attend his enshrinement), and Brett Favre HOF QB who played most of his career for the Packers (and the two years he spent dynamiting nearly every bridge he could find on his way out of town).

Both those guys are interesting characters to follow, and I don't wish either of them ill, but Guy #2 is never going to regain what he could have had as Guy #1, and I guess we'll see if he ever regrets it or not. I wonder if he knows how silly he looks strapping on the Rambo gear for his supposed revenge mission?

Brett Just Following advice?

Hornung having a cocktail? Did he get another liver?

http://www.chicagotribune.com/...y13,0,4846560.column

Talking over a cocktail? I seem to remember Favre had quit drinking around 1999 or so...

"When he was still with Green Bay, we were talking one night over a cocktail. And Brett said, 'Well, I don't know how much longer I'm going to play. Maybe a year,

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Originally posted by FANtastic:
Other than a lot of superfluous rhetoric flowing back-and-forth, the fan base seems as excited about the Packers as ever, including last season and this coming season. As for the team, a crappy defense and a few other weaknesses resulted in a crappy record - from what I saw most players moved on trying to build their careers and not worry about what was going on with a former Packer.

It's that above referenced "superflous rhetoric" (your words/not my characterization).

FAN, take a read around some of the other boards, it goes a little deeper than that (the fan division). You may find it superfluous, but there is quite a lot of passion, and hard feelings because of what happened last year (both ways). I've even personally noticed a growing distance (if not outright hostility) between Packer fans on differing sides of the TT/TOG divide that have known each other for years, and that had never existed previously. It's sad.

And please let me be clear: I'm not blaming the poor record last year on the poop fight. The defense unquestionably was the biggest issue (and digging deeper significant injuries as well as a lack of innovation or any really meaningful adjustment or improvisation on "D"),followed by special teams (the huge "hidden yardage" deficit, and two crucial unsuccessful FG attempts that that would've raised the record to 8-8 despite everthing else that occurred), and some situational offensive deficiencies (inconsistent short yardage running game, and some typical first year starting QB growing pains/hiccups which included holding on to the ball too long from time to time and a couple of bad throws late in close games).

However, I also don't think one can say that there wasn't any "damage" (or negative effect on the organization) done.

When the "face of the franchise" (for years) goes on national TV and essentially calls the GM a liar, and the details of the marketing offer leak out in very close to real time thus causing some to draw the conclusion that the Packers were attempting to bribe/buy off TOG from returning (as well as the distraction the players were confronted with daily while the situation was playing out of having to answer/declining to answer questions about it) damage is being done.

To the players' credit, they dealt with it as well as could reasonably be expected, but there's no doubt in my mind that it was tiresome and that it drained energy away that unquestionably could've been better spent elsewhere. It certainly goes with the territory, but I can't imagine anyone viewing last season's pre-season soap opera as an overall positive for the team as it began the year.

Regardless, it's over now and it's time to move forward.

Go Pack!

So now GB legend Paul Hornung is suspect too? Just because he talked to Favre?

Seems like its become a scorched Earth policy type issue all from all sides...

Not at all.

What's suspect is you coming to a Packer board and attempting to stir up more stinky stuff.



My prescription; take two aspirin, vacuum the sand out of your new QB's va-jay-jay, and get a good night of sleep.

Ya couldn't stir this thread up anymore with a V8 outboard motor or make it smell any worse with a pile of dead skunks. Seriously....

Go start a new thread about best QB in the NFC north/

Not for lack of trying on your part, BB.

A retired player (Hornung) tells another player (Magua) that he should play for as long as he physically can.

Whoa...stop the effing the presses.



So what, and W(hy)TF do you care anyway (except of course to )?

Go play in traffic, and we'll see you in a few months time.

So JJSD where in the heck do you find such photographs? Did you also post the Menudo and Vanilla Ice pics too? Is there a web site dedicated to shiny clothes?

Man I am never ever gonna have a picture taken while wearing shiny clothes you would find it and publicly humiliate me if I did.

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Originally posted by JJSD:
Pfft. You just want another excuse to wear your outfits.

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Originally posted by MNPackman:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/...y13,0,4846560.column

Talking over a cocktail? I seem to remember Favre had quit drinking around 1999 or so...

"When he was still with Green Bay, we were talking one night over a cocktail. And Brett said, 'Well, I don't know how much longer I'm going to play. Maybe a year,

From the article (bold added by me)

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But let me tell you something, this is the best time of your life. You will have more fun playing pro football. ... Don't quit until you have to ... not until you don't want to go out there on that practice field

So shouldn't the headline read that Hornung advised Favre to quit? Favre has already said (and shown) he only enjoys games and doesn't particularly care for the preparation.

didn't that conversation between Bret and Paul happen 4-5 years ago? Either that or I have some serious de ja vu.

Michael Rosenberg wants more Favre!

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/9560864/It's-Brett-Favre's-world-and-we're-living-in-it

Yeah but what he needs is.......