TOG scintillating news- Retired. No wait. As of 5/08 [ 2:40pm LAF] maybe not.

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Favre Tells Commish He’ll “Kick [Thompson’s] Ass Twice A Year”

Going 2-14 is a nice way to ride off into the sunset.

Mon., Oct. 5 @ Minnesota Vikings 7:30 p.m. ESPN

Sun., Nov. 1 Minnesota Vikings 12:00 p.m. FOX

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Age when in Superbowl, Quarterback, Pro Team--College Team (Won/Lost)


38, John Elway, Denver Broncos - Stanford (Won)

37, John Elway, Denver Broncos - Stanford (Won)

37, Kurt Warner, Arizona Cardinals - Northern Iowa (Lost)

37, Johnny Unitas, Baltimore Colts - Louisville (Won)

37, Rich Gannon, Oakland Raiders - Delaware (Lost)

36, Jim Plunkett, Los Angeles Raiders - Stanford (Won)

36, Fran Tarkenton, Minnesota Vikings - Georgia (Lost)

36, Roger Staubach, Dallas Cowboys - Navy (Lost)

35, Roger Staubach, Dallas Cowboys - Navy (Won)

34, Bart Starr, Green Bay Packers - Alabama (Won)

34, Earl Morrall, Baltimore Colts - Michigan State (Lost)

34, Len Dawson, Kansas City Chiefs - Purdue (Won)

34, Fran Tarkenton, Minnesota Vikings - Georgia (Lost)

34, Joe Theismann, Washington Redskins - Notre Dame (Lost)

34, Brad Johnson, Tampa Bay Buccaneers - Florida State (Lost)

33, Bart Starr, Green Bay Packers - Alabama (Won)

33, Bill Kilmer, Washington Redskins - UCLA (Lost)

33, Fran Tarkenton, Minnesota Vikings - Georgia (Lost)

33, Joe Montana, San Francisco 49ers - Notre Dame (Won)

33, Steve Young, San Francisco 49ers - BYU (Won)

33, Joe Theismann, Washington Redskins - Notre Dame (Won)

33, Jim Plunkett, Oakland Raiders - Stanford (Won)

33, Jim Kelly, Buffalo Bills - Miami (FL) (Lost)

33, Chris Chandler, Atlanta Falcons - Washington (Lost)


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43 Super Bowls. 86 Quarterbacks in the Super Bowl. These are treated as separate performances, though they are sometimes the same person.

78 of 86 quarterbacks were aged 35 or younger when appearing in the Super Bowl. That works out to 90.69%.

Should Brett Favre play for Minnesota, he is hoping to be part of that 9.31% minority of players who made it to the Superbowl after the age of 35. He would be the oldest quarterback to ever play in the game. He turns 40 in October.

I love stats like that.

I just hope his arm holds out long enough to throw the Pack a Buncha Interceptions!

In hindsight, GB should never have traded him to the Jets. They should have led him to believe that he was going to be allowed to compete for the starting job, with full intention to allow nothing of the sort. Set his ass on the bench as a back up would have been a good humbling experience. Sure there would have been a distracting media circus the first few weeks, but TT/MM could have come out and simply said "there is no, repeat NO QB controversy. Aaron is our guy. Brett was allowed to compete for the starting job, but Rodgers simply won the job." Sitting on the bench eating humble pie for 16 games would have been enough for him to sign his retirement papers.

What a damn soap opera ...

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In hindsight, GB should never have traded him to the Jets. They should have led him to believe that he was going to be allowed to compete for the starting job, with full intention to allow nothing of the sort. Set his ass on the bench as a back up would have been a good humbling experience. Sure there would have been a distracting media circus the first few weeks, but TT/MM could have come out and simply said "there is no, repeat NO QB controversy.

You saw what a freaking circus it became on FAMILY NIGHT. Had they kept him around it would have been far worse when the regular season games were underway.

Considering the comments he made about the team before he left there is absolutely no way that would not have turned into a major distraction for the team and his presence clearly would have undermined Aaron Rodgers.

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Originally posted by grbaypack: It seems Dr. Andrews has Favre doing exercises to try and snap his biceps tendon so Favre can play pain free. Just how does one snap a bicep tendon with no pain .. I dunno?

I heard on something during this saga (Dan Patrick maybe?), that Elway had the same issue one season and was in great pain until it snapped and then he was fine (or as fine as possible under the circumstances).

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Originally posted by Tschmack:

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In hindsight, GB should never have traded him to the Jets. They should have led him to believe that he was going to be allowed to compete for the starting job, with full intention to allow nothing of the sort. Set his ass on the bench as a back up would have been a good humbling experience. Sure there would have been a distracting media circus the first few weeks, but TT/MM could have come out and simply said "there is no, repeat NO QB controversy.

You saw what a freaking circus it became on FAMILY NIGHT. Had they kept him around it would have been far worse when the regular season games were underway.

Considering the comments he made about the team before he left there is absolutely no way that would not have turned into a major distraction for the team and his presence clearly would have undermined Aaron Rodgers.

Yep it would have been a circus. So what. If it would have served to knock some humility into the diva, it would have been well worth it. Rodgers has displayed a muturity since being drafted that leads me to believe he could have handled the nonsense just fine. With the ups and downs of the season, TOG's press whores would have constantly been stirring the QB controvery plot. Could you imagine the priceless look on Brett's face each week as MM announced in post game pressers that "unless he gets hurt, Aaron Rodgers is our starting QB". I'd wager that rather than endure it, the diva would have retired for real by about week 8 or 9.

100% disagree.

It would've put Rodgers under even more pressure than he was, the Favrinistas would've been going bananas all year with their hero on the bench (moreso than they did), and I'm pretty confident Rodgers doesn't sign the extension with a team that would do that to him (name him the guy and then cave to pressure to let Magua waltz back in during training camp).

Throw in the fact that the pick we received was part of the compensation for Matthews, and I really do not understand (if you're being serious) why you think that dose of "humility" (which wouldn't have worked anyway given Magua's ego) would have been worth it.

Give #4 to the punter.

While it's a somewhat different scenario: Which team jersey was Jim McMahon wearing when he "earned" his second Super Bowl ring?

If someone wants to pay him to play and he wants to play, so be it. I could care less, but I'm not going to get too upset about it either. The NFL is a business, playing is their job. Do it until they tell you you can't and nobody else will hire you. And if you can negotiate special perks, how is that different from what any other businessmen do?

I glad the "it's just business" thing is a total load of crap, at least for TOG. The way he's making it personal has been far more entertaining than if it really was just business to him. He wants to stick it to the Packers so bad he doesn't care that he's become a punchline that even ESPN is starting to poke fun at.

He is so blinded by his rage (for TT and McCarthy) that he doesn't understand two things:

1) He's nearing the end of his career, and he's not half the player he was at his peak. Who's to say GB defenders won't be the ones that "stick it to him?" TT and McCarthy don't suit up and play, so what would that prove anyway?
2) His short term thinking could hurt his long term legacy with the fans and Packers franchise- and to that extent this will not have a happy ending.

Again, this was reportedly said in conversation with Goodell a year ago, when he was trying to force his release from the Packers. People acting like he said it last week are incorrect. A year ago, the two talked. Favre: I want the Packers to release me, but they don't want to. Goodell: They're concerned about you going to play for a division rival. Favre: Yeah, 'cause they know I'd kick their ass twice! Goodell: Well, I don't know.....

I mean, he was probably wrong and it's all petty smack talk, but whatever.

Jim McMahon was 37 years old at the time of Superbowl 31 (January 26, 1997). He didn't play. And retired after that game.

If Favre is the Viking's QB this season, Woodson will pick Favre at least four times.

^ then what is your prediction for the 2nd time we play em?

We are witnessing one person's selfish attempt to extol himself above all else while destroying his legacy with the fans and state that helped make him what he was and not what he is trying to be.

It is becoming more more apparent that TOG has little or no respect for the Packers and the Packers fans. His motivation for revenge will be his undoing and forever will haunt him.

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Originally posted by WolfPack:
^ then what is your prediction for the 2nd time we play em?

Do you really think there will be a 2nd time?

From Pro Football Talk article linked above, a fan's comments:
pwickert says:
May 15th, 2009 at 6:46 pm

i just heard on am1250 milw that favre has sighned with the vikes, cant wait to watch him


Gee ESPN hasn't picked up this little tidbit of news yet.

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Originally posted by Coach:
100% disagree.

It would've put Rodgers under even more pressure than he was, the Favrinistas would've been going bananas all year with their hero on the bench (moreso than they did), and I'm pretty confident Rodgers doesn't sign the extension with a team that would do that to him (name him the guy and then cave to pressure to let Magua waltz back in during training camp).

Throw in the fact that the pick we received was part of the compensation for Matthews, and I really do not understand (if you're being serious) why you think that dose of "humility" (which wouldn't have worked anyway given Magua's ego) would have been worth it.

I am serious. Players with egos gone wild need a comeuppance. They could have privately assured Rodgers that his starting job was safe unless he was injured. And as mentioned, TOG wouldn't IMO have stuck around all year. Once they called his bluff, he would have officially retired rather than be humiliated for 16 games. Parlaying the extra pick as part of acquiring Clay Matthews could not have been forseen.

So as a fan it is more important to you that a former player with a big ego be given some kind of "comeuppance" from the team than that the team actually get something tangible (a draft pick) in return? I believe that you're serious, but it's a pretty bizarre point of view. What difference does it make if Favre plays for an AFC team that the Packers don't face AND the Packers get a third-round pick to boot? You'd really rather the team show that player what they get for daring to fight them?

Would you rather the Packers hadn't traded Javon Walker, too? They could have really stuck it to that prima donna rather than get a high second-rounder that arguably turned into Greg Jennings.

Edit: By the way it's also worth mentioning that in your scenario they'd be paying Favre his $13 million salary until he officially retired. A pretty high price for a backup quarterback, even one they were giving his comeuppance to.

Maybe I'm not being clear. In hindsight, yes, I'm glad GB was able to find someone to take the egomaniac off their hands and get an extra pick out of the deal. What I'm advocating is what they should have done prior to the Jets trade entering the picture. They wouldn't have had to pay him $13 million if he quit, which is exactly what I think he would have done once he knew they were serious about him being the backup. They could have played chicken with him and won IMO.

Deep down, I still like the guy, and I still believe he is pretty good guy at that. But he got himself into a showdown with the boss. It has spiraled out of control. I want to see him humbled. Humility builds character, and that is something TOG is lacking in the twilight of his career.

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Originally posted by Blueshound:
Deep down, I still like the guy, and I still believe he is pretty good guy at that. But he got himself into a showdown with the boss. It has spiraled out of control. I want to see him humbled. Humility builds character, and that is something TOG is lacking in the twilight of his career.

Good!

That is a bit clearer.

I don't even think it matters if you like the guy. I think the Packers ultimately did the right and smart thing by trading him rather than risking appearing to be petty (which your scenario would have resulted in). I understand you and many other Packers fans would have applauded them doing that, but a lot would not have, and I'm not talking only about Favre media whores or whatever. The organization would have looked bad to a lot of fans and I think they did the right thing.

As an aside, you've got to consider the team saw the possibility for a controversy of a different kind. Suppose they'd done as you suggest, Rodgers had gotten knocked out of the Tampa Bay game, and Favre had come in and the Packers had won? There's a headache McCarthy wouldn't have needed.

I thought the trade to NY was a fine comeuppance all by itself. Thompson got what he wanted out of the deal--Favre obviously didn't. He didn't want to play in New York. If he did, he'd have done the surgery, and he'd have worked toward being the qb there for this year. He specifically wanted to play for Minnesota because it accomplishes the goals of playing for people he already knows and giving him the chance to stick it to Thompson. I think any team that doesn't play Green Bay this year is out of the equation for Favre. Unfortunately for Favre, I think he's a year late with the revenge. He probably could have done something last year against our rag-tag defense. I just don't see that happening this year. What's worse now, I think, is if he doesn't play for the Vikings. Going through all of this public drama, all the frustration and irritation with Thompson, with the clearly vindictive goal right out there. If he doesn't come back, it's just that, sitting out there. Ugliness, short-term thinking, and revenge unachieved. I hope he does play. That should be about the end of it all. Thompson made a decision on Favre's worth, which was not how Favre wanted it all to end. Favre made that decision on his worth, with his retirement statement. He made the call. I think that's what's really bugging him--someone else made that decision on him. Never mind that that's what a GM does. Favre, in the later years, saw himself as the Packers GM. Thompson made it quite clear that that wasn't the case.

I know I'm probably being naive, but enough of the stories we've seen recently are definitely false (e.g., either the story that he told the Vikings he was staying retired or the story that he sent them X-rays HAS to be false; they can't both be true) that it's possible almost all of them are. The only things we know to be true, right now, this year, are that the Vikings would be interested in Favre and Favre would be interested in playing for them if he came out of retirement. If he doesn't come out of retirement, that could be the end of it.

Five years from now it's possible that Thompson won't be the GM and Favre and Murphy or whoever will have mended fences and most of this will be a footnote in the eyes of most fans. Not all, obviously.

Favre comes out of retirement pretty easily.

He was interested in the Vikings last year.

He's interested in them again.

This is not about Favre just wanting to play football. If it was, he'd be in New York.

We all know what it's about.

IF Brett ends up playing for the queens, just because he wants "revenge" against TT, that does not mean he will achieve that goal.

It could be just as likely the Pack beats him. Interceptions, a pick 6 or 2, some sacks and knockdowns, possible injury could be the scenario for the Packers to humble his revenge.

Those 2 Pack/vike games would be so hyped and Brett would be sky high, gunslinging it wildly. IMHO he would likely make some boneheaded plays helping the Pack win.

How ironic if a Packer sack on him ends "da streak" and his career for good, all because he wanted "revenge" against TT. Sad.

As has been noted, Favre has played some lousy games that were "personal" (first game against Holmgren) and some really strong ones (others against Holmgren, Mariucci). Nobody really knows what would happen, but the truth is that even if Favre goes to Minnesota the best and most dangerous player on that offense will be Adrian Peterson.

I think he's physically done, and hopefully he'll stay retired rather than come back and prove it.

Considering his age and physical limitations, maybe the vikes go with Sage for 14 games, let Brett play 2 and he gets to pick which ones.

Has anyone indicated that letting Brett sit for a year would have helped the health of his arm? By doing so, when he finally did get his release or play out his contract, he would have been in good shape to do some damage. As it is, he has torn biceps and not as dangerous as he might otherwise have been.

BTW, it would be better to have the guy Brett's trade helped get, end his consecutive game streak. Just dreaming ........

FAVRE WILL HAVE SURGERY THIS WEEK!

http://www.nypost.com/seven/05...e_surgery_169895.htm

Yep, I'm naive.

We'll excuse you since you are a Favre fan first.

Recovery time of 6-8 weeks. TOG once again will be able to miss OTA's, etc

As I've said before, I don't really care if he plays for them this year AND the Vikes have no idea what they are inviting upon themselves if this goes down.

I can't wait.

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Originally posted by Blueshound:
........AND the Vikes have no idea what they are inviting upon themselves if this goes down.

Hint:

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Originally posted by Max:
I know I'm probably being naive, but enough of the stories we've seen recently are definitely false (e.g., either the story that he told the Vikings he was staying retired or the story that he sent them X-rays HAS to be false; they can't both be true)

I'd say with TOG being involved both stories very well could be true. He does have a history of changing his mind.