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Favre rebuffs Vikings, will stay retired

By Rick Schwartz

The Minnesota Vikings will not sign free-agent quarterback Brett Favre(notes), a source close to the team told Yahoo! Sports on Thursday.

The source said Favre told Vikings coach Brad Childress that he wanted to remain retired in a phone call that took place sometime in the last day. Favre is expected to publicly explain his decision soon.

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Yeah. This whole saga is now over, because when Brett Favre makes a decision, he commits to it.

Wait until the mandatory offseason activities are over. I suspect come mid-July, this fiasco will grow wings once again.

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Originally posted by fdl:
I suspect come mid-July, this fiasco will grow wings once again.

I suspect that the ratings hounds will trot this out again 10 more times

As soon as some starter goes down, it will all start again.

Heck even Jeff George still gets some ink from time to time

This won't be over for a long time, independent of what Brett decides

THEY won't let him go, cause its just too enticing for the media to pass up.

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Does this new refusal to join the Vikings and get back at TT for having the audacity to make him earn a starting spot on the roster after he retired the first time mean that his hate for TT and the Packers is waning and revenge is no longer a burning desire?its my guess seeing how its Favre he will indeed wait until July and then announce he is coming out of retirement again to join the Vikings because he has the itch to play again,will Viking officials pull a TT and move forward with their team while saying no thanks, or will they kiss his butt and make him the starting qb?stay tuned fans.

One thing that rung true with me from Favre's retirement presser ver 1.0 was that he no longer wants to do the things required to be great, ie train hard in the offseason and participate in the team's offseason work. Of his last four seasons, one stands out like a sore thumb in terms of his numbers and the teams. It just so happened to be the one where he did that work. I believe that was a major part of "what changed" from the end of March '08, when they would have reportedly taken Favre back and June '08, when they wouldn't. In the end, the draft picks and committing to Rodgers may hold some bearing on that choice but I'll never be convinced it wasn't about that lack of offseason work more than anything else.

I have zero doubt in my mind that it's still "at this time" and the saga will continue. Wouldn't it be hilarious if Minnyhaha turns him down if he decides he wants to scratch the itch come June for the same reasons that the Packers told him no? Reportedly, Chilly was going to make that a condition of this deal getting done. Does Chilly have the big brass balls that Thompson had in sticking to his guns if Lord Favre makes a stink?

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Originally posted by El-Ka-Raji:
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I love it

Maybe, just maybe, Deanna had enough.

Total insanity if he thinks at his age he can perform without doing the physical work.

You're human, Brett. If you can't work out and go to mini-camp, especially for a new team, you'll likely struggle.

I hope with this he stays away for his own sake.

HCG is amazing stuff

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Originally posted by Hipp:
One thing that rung true with me from Favre's retirement presser ver 1.0 was that he no longer wants to do the things required to be great, ie train hard in the offseason and participate in the team's offseason work. Of his last four seasons, one stands out like a sore thumb in terms of his numbers and the teams. It just so happened to be the one where he did that work. I believe that was a major part of "what changed" from the end of March '08, when they would have reportedly taken Favre back and June '08, when they wouldn't. In the end, the draft picks and committing to Rodgers may hold some bearing on that choice but I'll never be convinced it wasn't about that lack of offseason work more than anything else.

Whatever! ou only believe that stuff, because the good lord blessed you with intelligence and objectivity. Now put yourself in the shoes of FDL's avatar.

BTW, I argued with that guy at Lambeau during last year's stockholder's meeting. I actually felt sorry for him.

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Originally posted by Satori:

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Originally posted by fdl:
I suspect come mid-July, this fiasco will grow wings once again.

I suspect that the ratings hounds will trot this out again 10 more times

As soon as some starter goes down, it will all start again.

Heck even Jeff George still gets some ink from time to time

This won't be over for a long time, independent of what Brett decides

THEY won't let him go, cause its just too enticing for the media to pass up.

This.

It's actually fun. I have a hard time taking any of this too seriously. Plus, if Favre did sign with the Vikings, I have a co-worker whose head might just explode.

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Originally posted by The GBP Rules:

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Originally posted by Floridarob:
Henry, my point is he never played with a hall of fame player other than Reggie as other great QBs have done. As good as Freeman was, he was like Driver, solid but not spectacular. It might be tiresome but it is the truth. He did not play with Hall of Fame players. He played with very good players but none that were great. Favre was great....

How many did John Elway play with on offense? By my count zero, at least in the skill position area. Except for Sharpe I guess. Yes, Zimmerman is HOF.

What about Dan Marino on offense? By my count zero, at least in the skill position area. Yes, Dwight Stephenson is HOF.

What about Fran Tarkenton on offense?

Warren Moon?

People constantly beat that drum about Favre not having star players on offense and it just was not true.

Terrell Davis was certainly puting up HoF numbers including a 2K-type season. Rod Smith was a Driver type but even with longevity points doesn't sniff the hall. Sharpe is a possibility though, as you mention.

With Marino, the Marks were really good, but not HoF good. Marino also has no ring.

Neither does Tarkenton or Moon.

19 page thread. Lock it down.

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Originally posted by Hipp:
One thing that rung true with me from Favre's retirement presser ver 1.0 was that he no longer wants to do the things required to be great, ie train hard in the offseason and participate in the team's offseason work. Of his last four seasons, one stands out like a sore thumb in terms of his numbers and the teams. It just so happened to be the one where he did that work. I believe that was a major part of "what changed" from the end of March '08, when they would have reportedly taken Favre back and June '08, when they wouldn't. In the end, the draft picks and committing to Rodgers may hold some bearing on that choice but I'll never be convinced it wasn't about that lack of offseason work more than anything else.

I have zero doubt in my mind that it's still "at this time" and the saga will continue. Wouldn't it be hilarious if Minnyhaha turns him down if he decides he wants to scratch the itch come June for the same reasons that the Packers told him no? Reportedly, Chilly was going to make that a condition of this deal getting done. Does Chilly have the big brass balls that Thompson had in sticking to his guns if Lord Favre makes a stink?

Hammer, meet nailhead.

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Originally posted by GBFanForLife:
Maybe, just maybe, Deanna had enough.

The Favres (and Cooks) can definetly kiss away any future multi million dollar promotional deal with the org. if he plays for the Vikes. I'll bet the voice of reason has spoken in that house.

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Originally posted by The GBP Rules:
How many did John Elway play with on offense? By my count zero, at least in the skill position area. Except for Sharpe I guess. Yes, Zimmerman is HOF.

So by your count he played with 2 Hall of Famers. Throw in Terrell Davis and Rod Smith (both were very, very good in their prime), and Elway had way more talent on offense than Favre did when they won their respective Super Bowls. I hate what Favre is doing now, but he was one of the greatest QB's ever to play the game. Him being a little b**** now does not change that.

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Originally posted by Gun4Arm:

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Originally posted by GBFanForLife:
Maybe, just maybe, Deanna had enough.

The Favres (and Cooks) can definetly kiss away any future multi million dollar promotional deal with the org. if he plays for the Vikes. I'll bet the voice of reason has spoken in that house.

It would be really interesting to know if the Murph planted a seed or two in the Farve "organization" that purple does not equate to green(backs). I gotta think that 20 mil is weighing on Brettly as we speak.

LOL, that's funny

Do you guys really not think Favre could make $20 million over the next 10 years in promotional opportunities (commercials, autograph shows, tractor ads) that don't involve working for the Packers?

I agree this story won't be over for a while. Maybe Favre changes his mind again, or maybe some team loses its QB in the preseason and gives him a call. It won't die until the season starts and he's not playing for someone. If then.

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Originally posted by Ed Vedder:
Really, the hatred some around here feel towards Favre is amazing. And they are the ones telling that he needs to get over his fixation with TT.

Facts: Favre was a GREAT PLAYER for us and was a BIG part on the Packers success during his tenure. Yes, he threw too many INTs, but also gave us MANY great memories from his time as a player. The divorce last year was ugly, but since his time with the Jets I haven’t seen a single thing coming from him that warrants all this hate.

Um not a single thing come from him since his time with the Jets to get us to hate him? How about all the mention of wanting to play for MN before and after his time with the Jets?

I don't think any of us would disagree that he was a great player for us. He was one of the reasons that it was finally great to be a Packer fan again. I will always treasure every second I saw him play because players like him as we very painfully know don't grow on trees.

But, instead of going out like a legend should we get this teenage girl drama. "I hate you so I am going to date so and so to get back at you" (anyone else who has teenage girls like me understands this)

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Originally posted by Max:
Do you guys really not think Favre could make $20 million over the next 10 years in promotional opportunities (commercials, autograph shows, tractor ads) that don't involve working for the Packers?

Is there some significance to making exactly $20 mil over the next 10 years? Whether or not he can is irrelevant to the $20 mil that the Packers may or may not give him. Isn't $40 mil better than $20 mil? My quality edumakashun taught me it was. Was I misled? Besides, as Favre continues on this path, he becomes more of a national punch line, which cannot help his marketing appeal. Anybody that doesn't recognize that fact cements their status as unfit to be an agent. (side note: Can ANYONE picture Favre on the autograph circuit to generate income?)

I don't know whether Murphy would pull the $20 mil if Favre does sign with the Vikes. Murphy is an outsider that is in charge of the business. I think he'll make a business decision, not an emotional one. The only way to get an accurate read on Favre's post-purple marketing appeal among Packer fans is to have him sign on the dotted line and then gauge the reaction among Packer fans. But one thing that is entirely irrelevant is whether he can make as much, or more, elsewhere. At least it is irrelevant to the Packers.

Maybe Favre has so much money he doesn't care about potentially throwing away $20 mil (or more) to make $10 mil (?) with the Vikes. But any way you slice it, $20 mil is more than what he'll make from the Vikes this year. If money is a factor AND if the deal will be pulled if he signs with the Vikes, then talking about the other opportunities that will be there either way is a red herring.

It was ugly and stupid last year. This year? I will hold jugdement until I see him with a Vikings outfit. We are getting lots of "reports" from unnamed sources, rumors and speculation and are reacting to it.

I'm sure Favre would like to make as much money as he can, just like most of us. Regardless, I don't believe the suggestion that the Packers are threatening him with that offer now, nor do I believe he would stay retired rather than play football because of such a promotional offer. I mean, isn't that argument kind of undercut by the fact that a year ago, he didn't?

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Originally posted by Max:
I'm sure Favre would like to make as much money as he can, just like most of us. Regardless, I don't believe the suggestion that the Packers are threatening him with that offer now, nor do I believe he would stay retired rather than play football because of such a promotional offer. I mean, isn't that argument kind of undercut by the fact that a year ago, he didn't?

That was the Jets. This is the Viqueens. A PR marketing disaster that it would take many years to recover from and it wouldn't surprise me at all if the screws were turning a bit.

Well, I don't believe the Packers are concerned enough about Favre playing for the Vikings to be calling anyone putting out warnings like that. Frankly I'm surprised any Packers fans believe it either. I give the organization more credit than that.

And again, since we know that a year ago Favre elected to play football rather than take that offer, I don't know why you'd think it would now convince him not to play. If there's recent evidence that seems to dispute your belief, it's at least worth considering.

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Originally posted by Max:
Do you guys really not think Favre could make $20 million over the next 10 years in promotional opportunities (commercials, autograph shows, tractor ads) that don't involve working for the Packers?

Maybe he will, but this would be an extra $20 mil. Or is there something you know that would prevent him from doing those other things if he was working for the Packers?

edit:, sorry, someone already touched on this

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Originally posted by Max:
If there's recent evidence that seems to dispute your belief, it's at least worth considering.

Wow! Talk about being unable to read the tea leaves.

How is this for a "recent development"

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In one jsonline.com poll, 78% of more than 26,000 respondents said they would not root for Favre with the Vikings even when he played teams other than the Packers. In another poll, 61% of more than 8,000 readers said they would "hate" Favre if he suited up for the Vikings.

That's as predictable as the sun rising in the east. And let's not forget the J/S is a haven for the anti-TT/pro-Favre crowd...just read any blog thread to see that. If he's being singed for promotional purposes, wouldn't 60% of the fanbase "hating" him factor into the value of such a deal--or even whether such a deal should be struck at all? And don't feed me any BS about the poll not being scientific. I'm a Packer fan and I live in Wisconsin. I am very confident that a sizable chunk of the fanbase would consider this a traitorous act. I've been watching his support erode with each and every new headline in the ongoing soap opera. There is no way in hell that him signing in purple doesn't continue that. This is not the Jets we're talking about. This is the Vikings. There is a HUGE difference. HUGE. The Packers willingly traded him to the Jets AND specifically made it impossible for the Jets to flip him to the Vikings. Does that clear up the difference?

And the Packers wouldn't have to say a word to threaten Favre. Or put the screws to him. Or whatever other euphemism you want to use. Any agent worth his weight in salt is pointing this out as a real factor in the decision.

As for this not mattering to him last year, my understanding is that Favre was specifically told the deal would still be sitting there whenever he wanted to finally hang up the cleats. Of course, that was when going to Minnyhaha was not an option.

anyone that thinks this is the final word on this is kidding themselves. Hell the Lord retired and unretired at least four times last year alone.

Wait until training camps/pre-season games when some QB injuries occur.

I am sure his first choice would be an NFC North team....or any team that plays the Packers this year....particularly at Lambeau.

What if Cutler got hurt....that would be an interesting love connection.

Hipp, saying that Favre is concerned about his legacy with Packers fans (which I would tend to agree with) is not the same thing as saying he's concerned about a $20 million promotional deal with the Packers (which is what I was disputing).

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Originally posted by Max:
Hipp, saying that Favre is concerned about his legacy with Packers fans (which I would tend to agree with) is not the same thing as saying he's concerned about a $20 million promotional deal with the Packers (which is what I was disputing).

lol, what makes you think Favre's legacy with Packer fans means anything to him given all he's said and done over the last 11 months? He's systematically taken a dump on that legacy. Is it because some people are so silly as to smile and ask for more?

Zach Thomas and Jason Taylor are good examples of guys that care about their legacy with their longtime fanbase. They both said they wouldn't sign with a rival. If Favre would even consider the Vikes, much less demand it, it's pretty clear to me his legacy with the fans is meaningless to him.

I thought the point of your post and linking to that poll was to show that Favre's decision was influenced by fan reaction. If I misread that, sorry. If your point was instead to show that Favre was now worried about the $20 million because Packers fans wouldn't like him anymore, I still disagree, for the reasons I gave. If Favre cared that much about the promotional deal he wouldn't have come back a year ago.

A few posts ago your theory was that the main reason he was staying retired was all the offseason work, and that come summer he'd want to go play for the Vikings again (and they might say no). So why are you now saying it's about the money, and he's worried about losing it by playing for the Vikings?

As an aside, Jason Taylor may very well sign with the Patriots when all is said and done. He specifically said when he heard that the Patriots were interested in him, "It's great to be wanted. Sure, especially an organization like them or the Dolphins." I don't think you really believe that either of those players would refuse to sign with a Dolphins rival if that was the best offer they got.

Once again, The King is dead.

His once powerful sceptre is now a rod he can stick up his agents arse!

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Originally posted by Ed Vedder:
We are getting lots of "reports" from unnamed sources, rumors and speculation and are reacting to it.

We are forced to. That's our responsibility as fans, to help keep the drama alive. It'd be silly of us to just shrug our shoulders and turn the page.

Especially when you have Vikings coaches going to visit Favre. What a bunch of unfounded rumors!

As soon as Minny's OTA's are over, Favre will call up Coach Kick Ass or the offensive genius of the football world, Darrell Bevell, and join the Vikings.

But that's a good thing. It will be so much more fun to watch the new Packer D knock the snot out of an old, fat, slow, prima donna than it will be to watch them try and catch Tarvaris Jackson. Jackson can't throw worth a damn, but he's quick as hell and hard to get a good clean shot at.

Old man Favre = Sitting Duck

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Originally posted by Henry:
Especially when you have Vikings coaches going to visit Favre. What a bunch of unfounded rumors!

Not to mention that the source of those "rumors" is 99.99% certain to be Team Favre.

Sorry, the "blame the media" card is out the window on this one. Team Favre is using the media to advance their agenda. The options for the media are to ignore a story that generates HUGE interest or cover it as best they can.

We wont know the REAL story until Saint Brett's brother and that obscure little Mississipi newspaper chimes in.