Brown Paper Sack AGAIN posted:where's the Viks suck thread at?
No comparison, none.
Brown Paper Sack AGAIN posted:I better quit and stay in The Suck thread.
It used to work....
Brown Paper Sack AGAIN posted:I better quit and stay in The Suck thread.
fukk off and go play on a Queens board. The game changing call on Matthews was horseschit, and you know it.
El-Ka-Bong posted:Goalline posted:Agreed, but I would have run it 3 times. Time was our friend and there’s always a chance we make a first down which would ice the game since the Vikings would have no time outs. There was no need to throw into the end zone.
How dare you refer to me as a roach crevice?
Brown Paper Sack AGAIN posted:I better quit and stay in The Suck thread.
Not even close azzhat. Clay almost had a sack when Cousins released the ball. Barr took 2 steps and crashed AR to the ground. If you want to talk schit, go somewhere else.
It takes a special douchebag fan to wear a 4 Vikings jersey. I saw plenty today. Celebrate the guy that kicked your asses as a GBP and pissed away 2009 Super Bowl hopes. That so Viking. You deserve a good swift kick in the nuts
Wear those 55 Barr jerseys with pride as well.
Haven't seen the tapes yet but it sounds like Lewis was still somewhere near area 51. Somebody here made a comment last week about MM having no clue how to employ 2TE sets. I gave MM the benefit of the doubt. I was wrong.
DH13 posted:Haven't seen the tapes yet but it sounds like Lewis was still somewhere near area 51. Somebody here made a comment last week about MM having no clue how to employ 2TE sets. I gave MM the benefit of the doubt. I was wrong.
After seeing him in action and practices in preseason, I thought he'd be as impactful as Graham, but in a different way. MM is just lost right now, and Philbin doesn't seem able to help. At least we have a real DC.
Tschmack posted:Jesus F Christ
Rodgers called that? With a bum knee? Did Rodgers call for not running the ball and burning clock late in the game?
MM is not good
The play was there to make, whether it's a safe call or not. I don't think any Packer fan would choose to see AR run on a designed play. Not sure if it matters who made the call, bottom line is Rodgers didn't execute and he had a first down right in front of him. Whether his knee buckled or he hurried the play, I haven't watched any interviews but I'd guess Rodgers would take full blame on that one.
artis posted:Tschmack posted:Jesus F Christ
Rodgers called that? With a bum knee? Did Rodgers call for not running the ball and burning clock late in the game?
MM is not good
The play was there to make, whether it's a safe call or not. I don't think any Packer fan would choose to see AR run on a designed play. Not sure if it matters who made the call, bottom line is Rodgers didn't execute and he had a first down right in front of him. Whether his knee buckled or he hurried the play, I haven't watched any interviews but I'd guess Rodgers would take full blame on that one.
My take goes back to the Seattle NFCCG where Rodgers had a bum calf. He wisely adjusted his play calling to account for his current physical condition. Him not doing that same thing in that situation was not wise.
Give the ball to Williams. Let him get the yard.
I have no qualms with MM playcalling. They run, they don't gain anything, MN uses Timeouts and instead of like 1:45 and 2 TO they get 1:45 and no TOs. In today's NFL 1:45 and no TO is eternity.
In a game like this, there are so many individual plays to point to. Adams not holding on. Crosby missing what should be a almost automatic for him. AR dropping the ball on a cutesy play 2nd and 1 and like 5 yards from FG range.
Lots of insane calls by refs. Calls Green Bay overcame. The Graham TD taken away because the DL falls down and Corrente calls if holding on Taylor. The Adams OPI was absolutely goddamned ludicrous. He made a great move, there was no push off. The Graham PI was a tough call in real time. In hindsight on replay it was a joke that it wasn't called. In real time, it looked like a drop. But, still DPI is called for much much less all day every day.
But, take all that schit away. Forget everything else. The worlds absolutely schittiest RTP call ever made lost the game. Period. You just had a nice drive to take an 8 point lead. You made the back breaking INT to clinch the game. And Tony fukking Corrente decided to call RTP because ? He has money on the game. It's literally the only explanation. He decided to fukk the Packers because he bet Minny pickem.
Yeah. There were lots of little plays one could point to and play tough guy "DURRR GOOD TEAMS OVERCOME THIS HURRRRR" but the facts are GB clinched the game. Even after a schitton of bad calls they already overcame. But Tony fukking Corrente decided to steal this one from Green Bay.
This was a HUGE game that was stolen from Green Bay and now gives a clear and huge advantage to Minnesota for the division.
Brice on the long pass to Thielen where he inexplicably fails to make a play on the ball. Need to make the plays when you're in a position to make them.
Yup. Two Packers in a position to swat it away. At this point, other teams see Brice as a liability.
+ scored an offensive touchdown
- gave up four touchdowns
CAPackFan95 posted:This was a HUGE game that was stolen from Green Bay and now gives a clear and huge advantage to Minnesota for the division.
....exactly. I'm done with the NFL sending "apology" letters for bad officiating from the Fail Mary to this game today.
I refuse to watch a product & have to eat whatever they feel like doling out that day regardless of what actually happens on the field of play.
Enjoy the season those of you continuing to watch. I'm no longer getting any enjoyment out of seeing my favorite team get royally screwed every season to fit the NFL's narrative.
Brown Paper Sack AGAIN posted:I better quit and stay in The Suck thread.
Sorry fellas!
Quitting and going back to Rubechat would be better.
excalibur posted:michiganjoe posted:Different angle, still a horrible call.
Form tackle. He never lifted him.
different than Barr
The reason why Rodgers had his arm out is that he didn't have the ball anymore so the act is instinctive. Like 3 seconds he doesn't have the ball. Cousins is hit, at the waist with Clay's shoulder WITH THE BALL, which makes for a ****ty pass and a pick. Clay rolls off Cousins. Doesn't pile drive him. Notice how Clay continues to roll off of Cousins in a different direction, which mitigates the force to Cousins. It baffles the mind. Corrente said "he lifted him and drove him to the ground". What? He's already leaning into Cousins. I'm trying to figure out the mechanics of "lifting" a QB when you're already going to the ground. How does that work when your feet are no longer planted? Is it like a synchronized ice skating move?
Brak posted:Henry posted:Brak posted:Henry posted:Brak posted:One cool thing about today is that all the can't beat the NFL referee PR campaign Rodgers is infallible bull**** can stop. And stop now. Because there were some bull**** calls in this game. Like complete head scratchers.
Let's just play the games, guys.
That doesn't absolve McVince in the least.
Right, not looking for absolution. Just wanted to be on record that the NFL isn't predisposed to favor 12.
That's all. Because I see more of that **** than I can take.
Then you know how I feel when people start comparing an average OC with Lombardi and Belichek.
Perhaps I am not being clear. To me, this game was a big **** you to all the NFL fans that insist that the NFL, the refs, the opposition, the little children..are all biased towards the metropolis that is known as Green Bay, WI. Because somehow Green Bay, WI is the cornerstone of this football.
Nope, you were clear. I was just post ****ty call apoplectic. Agree 100%.
Negative
- for the first time I can ever remember both Packer fans and Vikings fans left the same game feeling unfulfilled. Every time you feel like crap there’s the feeling of “well, they ****ed themselves too” and then you think about how we ****ed ourselves and you go back to feeling nothingness.
+ If the season ended today, we'd be in the playoffs. Right?
Boris captures what I think will be a trend that bears watching as we move forward this season.
As a fan, you don’t know what a catch is or isn’t (think Adams play in the EZ), you either hold or you don’t (phantom Taylor call), a DB can make contact or hold until he can’t (see Rhodes play against Adams at the goalline) and is it a legal hit or tackle or not (CMIII)? It takes all enjoyment and fun out of the game. And it gives officials the pure ability to influence games which they did yesterday.
It reminds me a bit of the NBA playoffs 20 years ago. Joey Crawford, Nick Bavetta, Tim Donahey - with the latter getting busted for having action on games.
I think some good news is that we all considered Minnesota to be a very good team with arguably the best defense in the NFL and our offense put basically 36 points on them (counting the 14 that were robbed). It's true Cousins built up a lot of yardage, but they're also a top 10 offense and our defense closed out the game for the second week in a row for the win, except this week they got robbed and Minny was spotted a TD to tie. I'm not happy with a tie, but if you had told me earlier this week that GB would drop 29 on Minny and be a 50+ yard FG away from a win I would have been shocked as hell and pleasantly surprised. It's not a win, but it shows that this team is legit a SB contender even with a gimpy Aaron Rodgers.
Digger, I totally agree. The one big positive for me is that the Packers offense was able to move the ball effectively with a one legged Rodgers on that defense. Besides the Rams later this season this is the best D they will face and it gives me honest optimism for this season.
The other positive (and a negative) for me is the D. I really like the direction this defense is going. They were hitting Cousins quite consistently and that was a great thing for me. They just need to figure out how not to give up those long plays in big spots.
Good post GD. If anybody cares, even KFAN agrees that the Clay call was as bad as it gets.
artis posted:Tschmack posted:Jesus F Christ
Rodgers called that? With a bum knee? Did Rodgers call for not running the ball and burning clock late in the game?
MM is not good
The play was there to make, whether it's a safe call or not. I don't think any Packer fan would choose to see AR run on a designed play. Not sure if it matters who made the call, bottom line is Rodgers didn't execute and he had a first down right in front of him. Whether his knee buckled or he hurried the play, I haven't watched any interviews but I'd guess Rodgers would take full blame on that one.
The bottom line is neither our QB or head coach were very clutch yesterday.
I will bet 2/3 of Cousins passing yardage came after King got hurt and our other DBs got tired. When Alexander and Jackson and King were in there the Vikings had a lot of difficulty moving the ball. Tramon held up for the most part but got gassed and House just isn’t very good. Brice should have made the play on the Thielen TD late but was right there. It was just a perfect throw and unbelievable catch.
The other point was coming into this game I did not like the Dalvin Cook matchup at all. He did make a couple of nice plays on short passing plays, but was held to 90 total yards. That’s very encouraging if you think about it.
While I agree that they showed better than most expected vs. the "consensus #1 team in the NFL"*, there are still some warning signs that could haunt this team. While every team is a work in progress to some degree, we have a new DC and half the D starters are new and/or rookies. They will continue to improve. However, things do not look good if KK continues to be dogged by injuries. This is a passing league and every legit contender has a QB capable of lighting a secondary up if you're missing a key cog. It would certainly help if we had an actual pass rush from our edges.
And yes, if AR can fully heal and we can work A Jones back into the playbook, things can really start heating up on O. Now if somebody, anybody on the O coaching staff can figure out how to get Lewis and Graham on the field at the same time. Well that might just be criminal.
Goalline posted:artis posted:Tschmack posted:Jesus F Christ
Rodgers called that? With a bum knee? Did Rodgers call for not running the ball and burning clock late in the game?
MM is not good
The play was there to make, whether it's a safe call or not. I don't think any Packer fan would choose to see AR run on a designed play. Not sure if it matters who made the call, bottom line is Rodgers didn't execute and he had a first down right in front of him. Whether his knee buckled or he hurried the play, I haven't watched any interviews but I'd guess Rodgers would take full blame on that one.
The bottom line is neither our QB or head coach were very clutch yesterday.
Agree that Rodgers has to give the ball to Williams on 2nd and 2 in OT. Bad decision.
But I will never agree Rodgers wasn’t clutch yesterday. Perfect pass to Adams for 6 with 2 minutes left in regulation. Drove Green Bay 36 yards in 30 seconds with no time outs to set up Crosby for the win in regulation.
Add in the TD taken away on a phantom hold.
What more can you expect from the guy? Seriously.
Tschmack posted:I will bet 2/3 of Cousins passing yardage came after King got hurt and our other DBs got tired. When Alexander and Jackson and King were in there the Vikings had a lot of difficulty moving the ball. Tramon held up for the most part but got gassed and House just isn’t very good. Brice should have made the play on the Thielen TD late but was right there. It was just a perfect throw and unbelievable catch.
The other point was coming into this game I did not like the Dalvin Cook matchup at all. He did make a couple of nice plays on short passing plays, but was held to 90 total yards. That’s very encouraging if you think about it.
I honestly think Brice was worried about hitting Thielen, just like Daniels was with Cousins. I'm not advocating for kill shots, but players are scared to play at times it seems and it is watering down the product. I'm not that dissatisfied with DBs not named Davon House...they held Diggs to 8 catches for 53 yards and other than his miracle catch they held Thielen to under 10 per catch (well below his career average of 14). Pettine had a good plan and they execute well, it just takes 1 bad matchup (Diggs vs. House) and 1 miracle catch to skew the stats.
chickenboy posted:Good post GD. If anybody cares, even KFAN agrees that the Clay call was as bad as it gets.
Who? Because that's a cold day in hell those clowns defend anything Packers.
ChilliJon posted:Agree that Rodgers has to give the ball to Williams on 2nd and 2 in OT. Bad decision.
But I will never agree Rodgers wasn’t clutch yesterday. Perfect pass to Adams for 6 with 2 minutes left in regulation. Drove Green Bay 36 yards in 30 seconds with no time outs to set up Crosby for the win in regulation.
Add in the TD taken away on a phantom hold.
What more can you expect from the guy? Seriously.
Agree. We got robbed of at least 7 points, so in reality he put up 29 points against the #1 D in the NFL. Can't ask for more than that. Strangely the defense also did enough, although allowing over 20 points is not what you want, but didn't have enough to also overcome the refs.
Henry posted:chickenboy posted:Good post GD. If anybody cares, even KFAN agrees that the Clay call was as bad as it gets.
Who? Because that's a cold day in hell those clowns defend anything Packers.
The Power Trip! It is cooler today here, especially compared to yesterday…
+ Rodgers was more mobile than I thought he'd be. Our running game seemed to work well when we used it. Jaire Alexander can play. Both Minnesota's kicker and WR Laquon Treadwell played poorly. Crosby went 5 for 6 in FGs. If he made the last one, we win--a lot to ask for from over 50 yards away. The GMO-Josh Jackson duo on the blocked punt and recovery for a TD! Amazing work by both! We hung 29 + points on the greatest defense in the universe.
- The NFL for allowing a tie to stand. The officials hired out of the Wilf family blowing several calls which tilted the game in favor of the vikings. HHCD being out of position on a few deep passes from Cousins. Kevin King getting injured exposed Davon House's coverage liabilities. Having next to nothing for a pass rush and using Fackrell, ever. I was willing to give both House and Fackrell the benefit of the doubt, but not after watching them play in the viking game.
Alexander flinched because he thought Brice was going to wipe them both out. Bottom line is Brice needed to get a hand on that ball and for whatever reason he didn’t do it.
That's what it looked like to me. Or he thought Brice was going to pick it and Alexander didn't want to disrupt that.
-Pass Rush: I was hoping that CMIII had enough left in the tank and that Perry just needed to stay healthy for our pass rush to be above average. But CMIII looks like no more than a 15-20 play situational pass rusher and Perry looks nothing like what he showed in 2016. Sad thing is they have a solid pass rush up the middle but with nothing off the edge, Trubisky and Cousins were able to escape consistently. Other issues I've seen on this team can be fixed, but pass rush is probably going to be an anchor on their success this year.