Boris posted:

Green Bay Packers spending on non-Green Bay free agents (per Spotrac) -- 2011-18: $127.9m million March 12, 7am CST to 11:30am CST, 2019: $183 million

TT is lonnnnnnnngggg gone boys & girls

Unfortunately, I think TT has been long gone from his full capacity for about 4 years. 

MichiganPacker2 posted:

Boris posted:

Green Bay Packers spending on non-Green Bay free agents (per Spotrac) -- 2011-18: $127.9m million March 12, 7am CST to 11:30am CST, 2019: $183 million

TT is lonnnnnnnngggg gone boys & girls

Unfortunately, I think TT has been long gone from his full capacity for about 4 years. 

Likely.  So it makes sense for the same idiots to pile on a guy that gave his life, unfortunately probably literally, for football and was one of the best when in good health.

But hey, they were bitching even when TT was putting together Super Bowl teams so somehow that makes them right.  

Yeah, I don't get it either.

DH13 posted:

Contract year hero?  I'll take a wait and see on this Smith.

Agreed.  I like the Zmith pickup but I like the Amos signing the most.  Consistent baller.

Henry posted:

MichiganPacker2 posted:

Boris posted:

Green Bay Packers spending on non-Green Bay free agents (per Spotrac) -- 2011-18: $127.9m million March 12, 7am CST to 11:30am CST, 2019: $183 million

TT is lonnnnnnnngggg gone boys & girls

Unfortunately, I think TT has been long gone from his full capacity for about 4 years. 

Likely.  So it makes sense for the same idiots to pile on a guy that gave his life, unfortunately probably literally, for football and was one of the best when in good health.

But hey, they were bitching even when TT was putting together Super Bowl teams so somehow that makes them right.  

Yeah, I don't get it either.

He did sign Ryan Pickett and Charles Woodson early in his tenure and they were two of the top free agents in the 2000s for any team. 

Yep.  People like to get verklempt over Adrian Klemm when it was a nothing contract.  He goes and picks up the equivalent of Reggie White in the form of Charles Woodson for the young defense and the peanut gallery is oddly silent on that.

Hungry5 posted:

Gutekunst: Hey Mike. We are signing Za'Darius Smith, Adrian Amos, and Preston Smith.

Happy Angry Bald Man?

DH13 posted:

mrtundra posted:

Read this as Goodbye Perry.

http://www.espn.com/blog/green...mith-fills-no-1-need

 

Let's not forget Uncle Milty in this get-down.

Milt Hendrickson, the Packers' new director of football operations, surely vouched for Smith. Hendrickson was part of the personnel department in Baltimore that drafted Smith in 2015.

I gotta tell ya, I think that's my favorite part of this new FO.  Hendrickson and Goololy working in tandem.  One from the shitty, despicable TT tree and one from the worthless Ozzie Newsome tree.  

Seriously, who builds Super Bowl teams anymore anyways?

I'm trying to reserve the parade on these guys until I see them amongst their new teammates. They were surrounded by a lot of talent on their previous teams.

I think that should be the consensus. “Reserved Excitement”  

TT made a few of the greatest personnel decisions in Packers history 

1) Drafting A Rod and moving on from Brent 

2) Signing C Wood as a FA 

3) Drafting CMIII away from the Cheatriots

4) Drafting Nick Collins 

5) Drafting Jordy Nelson 

That’s not to say he didn’t have a blind spot (free agents) or that they held onto him too long (thanks Murphy) but he did some great things for this team 

6) Drafting Gerg

7) Bringing UDFAs like Tramon and Sam Shields

8) Drafting Bak

9) Drafting Buluga

10) Drafting Sitton in the 5th round

11) TJ Lang, Mason Crosby, etc.  

Any chance we can get him back?

Again, I don’t think webshould focus on dumping on the past regime. Celebrate these moves now while we can. Let’s move effin forward now. I’m excited. What the **** is the point in saying what GB should have done?

In most cases I would be freaked out by this kind of spending...but you got the cash and you need the 'developed' players while Rodgers can still stand upright. Even if it aint perfect, it looks pretty good and  you got to give credit to Gut for going b***s to the wall in this our hour of need.

Henry posted:

6) Drafting Gerg

7) Bringing UDFAs like Tramon and Sam Shields

8) Drafting Bak

9) Drafting Buluga

10) Drafting Sitton in the 5th round

11) TJ Lang, Mason Crosby, etc.  

 

10 of the 11 things on this list were prior to 2010. 

What difference does that make?  They won a Super Bowl and made the decision to stand pat and try to win another. Didn't work.  But they still stayed very competitive until TT's health went downhill and then it was too late to turn things around as fast as was needed. 

Cavetoad posted:

Hungry5 posted:

Gutekunst: Hey Mike. We are signing Za'Darius Smith, Adrian Amos, and Preston Smith.

Thanks for the new avatar Hungry!!

That's a good look for you Cave'.

I much prefer this route to trading a pick/picks and a boatload of cash for Dee Ford. 

Johnson posted:

In most cases I would be freaked out by this kind of spending...but you got the cash and you need the 'developed' players while Rodgers can still stand upright. Even if it aint perfect, it looks pretty good and  you got to give credit to Gut for going b***s to the wall in this our hour of need.

As someone esle mentioned, we just replaced the 15 draft class instead of signing them to their 2nd contract.   When you look at it that way, it's not really any unexpected money.

These are necessary moves.  I would hope it's not the norm though.  I really like the guys that were signed, not a Jimmy Graham in the bunch.  

Been seeing a lot of takes on Z via the twitbox. 

While he doesn't rack up tons of sacks, he does provide consistent pressure.  Even better is that has created that pressure from all over the line, inside and out.  This move has Pettine's fingerprints all over it.  Even better, there was no one better at disrupting third down than Z.  How many times did we see failed third downs by our D the last couple years?

Here is break down from packerwire: ZaDarius: 3rd Down Disruptor

Packerswire, not to be confused with Packerwire.

I'm always confused.  It's a birth rite.

Chongo posted:

Best part about these moves...makes Packers able to take BPA at every spot. No longer do they need to draft for need.

They still need a S, ILB, TE, slot WR, OL, RB and another OLB. They reduced the immediacy of the needs at OLB, S and OL but they are all still there. Hell I should have thrown DL in there too. Daniels is getting long in the tooth and his production has backed up his mouth. Other than Clark I don't think GB has a good DL at all. 

No team can fill all holes and they all have them somewhere.  We'd be in high cotton if we took care of half that list this offseason.

High cotton, is that some kind of code word for the maryjo jaunna?

Henry posted:

These are necessary moves.  I would hope it's not the norm though.

Exactly right. When the Packer Brass (Thompson, Dorsey, McKenzie, Highsmith, Wolf, etc...) were drilling the draft (Rodgers, Collins, Matthews, Raji, Jordy, Jennings, Jones, Sitton, Lang, etc...) and hitting the jackpot on cheap street FA (Shields, Tramon, etc...) and sprinkling in the rare UFA (Woodson, Pickett, ), etc....you didn't need to do this.  

After several rough drafts, and questionable roster depth, just too many holes to fill. Good news is they had the cap room to do this, and have adapted to use all avenues available. Really like these signings and it looks like Russ Ball did a good job of minimizing the risk in how he structured the deals. Add our draft arsenal to this roster and we are back in business. 

I think what we will see as time goes by that this spending spree won't be the norm and things will balance out. 

I still think they want to draft and develop players as their main way of operating.  But, what gives me a ton of optimism is that the front office isn't afraid to spend on players not just rely upon the draft and develop philosophy. 

Moves were really necessitated by poor drafting. TT's draft and develop philosophy worked extremely well when he was picking well. Unfortunately, late in his tenure that too often wasn't the case. 

michiganjoe posted:

Moves were really necessitated by poor drafting. TT's draft and develop philosophy worked extremely well when he was picking well. Unfortunately, late in his tenure that too often wasn't the case. 

The difference in the 2005-2010 and 2011-2017 drafting is astounding.

The first half of Ted's tenure the drafting was off the charts good. The second half was, well not nearly as good. (Starting with the 2011 class).

What was his average draft position in 2005-2010 vs 2011-2017?

You really need to keep your context in check because winning is losing, wrong is right and blue is potato.  

Don't eat the blue potatos.  Trust me.

Henry posted:

You really need to keep your context in check because winning is losing, wrong is right and blue is potato.  

Potatoe. I actually saw a Dan Quayle trading card at an auction this past weekend! 

blue potatoes are good when intentional

I chose potato.  The letter have better rhythm that way.

DH13 posted:

What was his average draft position in 2005-2010 vs 2011-2017?

I think the Packer's average draft position from 05-10 was 18 and it was about 27 from 11-17, so perhaps that explains the downfall in Ted's drafting at least in part.

Then again, the 3 players taken early in the first round in 06 (Hawk), 07 (Harrell, and 09 (Raji), were not what made the 05-10 drafts so spectacular. It was the later first round picks like Rodgers, Matthews, 2nd rounders (Collins, Jennings, Nelson) and even later picks  (Sitton, Lang, James Jones) that were truly outstanding.

Moreover, I don't think draft position alone can explain the fact just 4 players remain on the roster from Ted's 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, and 2015 drafts combined. 

I love the Amos and Z Smith signings.  I think both were underrated players that signed for pretty fair deals if they perform like they did last year.  I actually didn't know much about Preston SMith but I've read good things.  It seems like all three players are more "substance over stats" guys, which seems like what you want to do in free agency (rather than chase the guy who has a career stat year going into free agency). 

But not a fan of the Billy Turner signing.  He was just a guy in Denver.  My guess is that the Packers were sick of having no depth so they overpaid for a guy that can play RT, RG and LG.  Sounds like he'll play RG but at least it gives them flexibility when Bulaga gets hurt.  But $7m per year is a lot for a guy that was pretty average in Denver.  

MichiganPacker2 posted:

Henry posted:

6) Drafting Gerg

7) Bringing UDFAs like Tramon and Sam Shields

8) Drafting Bak

9) Drafting Buluga

10) Drafting Sitton in the 5th round

11) TJ Lang, Mason Crosby, etc.  

 

10 of the 11 things on this list were prior to 2010. 

 

Not seeing the negative correlation to TT building a Super Bowl team.