They had 4 1/2 and 2 minute scoring droughts in the 4th Q. yesterday. Were they taking shooting lessons from the Badgers? Pathetic, that said Irving is better than Rose was right now in his MVP season.
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Pathetic, that said Irving is better than Rose was right now in his MVP season.
the Bulls were not that good and Rose took them to great heights.
Irving has a ways to go before he gets mentioned with Rose IMO ...
Jennings scoreless in the first half vs GState 2night ...
pathetic.
pathetic.
I wonder if that's what he learned from the Cavs game. The Bucks get out to the big lead too early, then ran out of gas and lost. Tonight, they turned it on in the 3rd, and outplayed them in the 4th.
Defensively they were much better defending the paint tonight. That's what needs to continue.
Defensively they were much better defending the paint tonight. That's what needs to continue.
This is Jennings though
He plays to the level of the competition
I looked up the 6 games they've played against Detroit and Cleveland - the Bucks were 2-4 in those games. Jennings shot 29% from 3pt range in those games.
His season average is about 37% from 3pt range so he's probably shooting closer to 40% against other (better) teams I would guess
He plays to the level of the competition
I looked up the 6 games they've played against Detroit and Cleveland - the Bucks were 2-4 in those games. Jennings shot 29% from 3pt range in those games.
His season average is about 37% from 3pt range so he's probably shooting closer to 40% against other (better) teams I would guess
In an already weak EC, Rajon Rondo blows his ACL. The Celtics are officially cooked, now- no late season push for them.
So if you're Hammond, do you make a deal to strengthen your wing or interior scoring? There are guys available, including Josh Smith who wants a max deal after this season. Or Gasol, who might be had one for one with Ellis. Other possibilities?
Kinda looks like a year the Bucks could get past the first round.
So if you're Hammond, do you make a deal to strengthen your wing or interior scoring? There are guys available, including Josh Smith who wants a max deal after this season. Or Gasol, who might be had one for one with Ellis. Other possibilities?
Kinda looks like a year the Bucks could get past the first round.
Gasol is signed this year and next year for 19MM
Not really sure I would be interested in taking on that salary unless they could package Gooden with Ellis. Gooden has 3 years left on his deal while Ellis has one more- albeit a player option for 11MM next season. He might take that to play for a team like LA.
The problem is that now Milwaukee is thin in the backcourt and I am not sure Ellis fits well with Kobe and Nash there now but he would help that team IMO. He brings some defensive toughness to the table.
The Bucks have several guys coming off the books this year like Pryz and Dalembert and Udrih so in theory they could make a move to shore up the backcourt just in case an Ellis bails or they don't extend Jennings. Some teams are looking to dump salaries.
Not really sure I would be interested in taking on that salary unless they could package Gooden with Ellis. Gooden has 3 years left on his deal while Ellis has one more- albeit a player option for 11MM next season. He might take that to play for a team like LA.
The problem is that now Milwaukee is thin in the backcourt and I am not sure Ellis fits well with Kobe and Nash there now but he would help that team IMO. He brings some defensive toughness to the table.
The Bucks have several guys coming off the books this year like Pryz and Dalembert and Udrih so in theory they could make a move to shore up the backcourt just in case an Ellis bails or they don't extend Jennings. Some teams are looking to dump salaries.
The Bbucks should dangle Ellis because he gives an old slow team some speed and playmaking ability. He would be the replacement for what they lost when Shannon Brown left, but he's better than Brown, more complete.
And yes, add Gooden to that mix as well. He's a serviceable bench player on a team that isn't very deep in the frontcourt. The salaries match up, and Gooden can knock down a jumper (something D'Antoni does need to run his open attack).
It probably isn't enough. They may want more for Gasol. I don't give LA and draft picks in any deal. And assuming they're going to at least try to extend Jennings, and knowing that they probably aren't keeping Ellis, I would try to make a deal without affecting the core of yong players they already have.
And yes, add Gooden to that mix as well. He's a serviceable bench player on a team that isn't very deep in the frontcourt. The salaries match up, and Gooden can knock down a jumper (something D'Antoni does need to run his open attack).
It probably isn't enough. They may want more for Gasol. I don't give LA and draft picks in any deal. And assuming they're going to at least try to extend Jennings, and knowing that they probably aren't keeping Ellis, I would try to make a deal without affecting the core of yong players they already have.
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I know he is a slug from the past, but the Bucks team could really use Dalembert to post on offense. IMO, he is the only true offensive post guy they have.
I know its a long shot, but if they could get some production out of Sam in the middle, Larry would be free to roam the weakside and we would have 2 capable towers on D to start a game. Luc-Ric could come off the bench pronto if needed or he could start if you need a defensive 3 to start the game. IMO, Ilyasova could play the 3 on O(he'd be kind of a tough matchup really) for sure and stay in front on D.
It would only make us better and deeper on the bench.
I know he is a slug from the past, but the Bucks team could really use Dalembert to post on offense. IMO, he is the only true offensive post guy they have.
I know its a long shot, but if they could get some production out of Sam in the middle, Larry would be free to roam the weakside and we would have 2 capable towers on D to start a game. Luc-Ric could come off the bench pronto if needed or he could start if you need a defensive 3 to start the game. IMO, Ilyasova could play the 3 on O(he'd be kind of a tough matchup really) for sure and stay in front on D.
It would only make us better and deeper on the bench.
Udoh was scoring some early o. This season- be seems to have fallen out of the rotation a bit. I don't know why hey don't have Sanders and Dalembert on the floor at the same time at times. Let Sanders play some 4 in certain match ups. Worth a look, IMO.
IMO, thats where they are headed if Dalembert can get something going early in games in the post.
At that point either Luc-Ric or Ilyasova starts, but not both.
If you get rid of Ellis, you'd really need a 2 AND a 3 to compete.
At that point either Luc-Ric or Ilyasova starts, but not both.
If you get rid of Ellis, you'd really need a 2 AND a 3 to compete.
Wow... Rough fist, then blasted them from here. Jennings' big quarter seems to the the 3rd. Does the most damage then.
5 games over. Interesting....
5 games over. Interesting....
They are currently slotted as the 7 seed, but there are only 2 games that separate them from getting up to the 4 seed.
The way the Bucks are playing I don't think it's unrealistic to think they could actually host a playoff series. How cool would that be?
The way the Bucks are playing I don't think it's unrealistic to think they could actually host a playoff series. How cool would that be?
Was at the Knicks/ bucks game last nubby. First time I see the bucks live. It is very clear what they need to do. Get rid of montae Ellis. He is nothing but an undersized chucker. So many awful shots. They would be much better served playing beno 35 minutes a game
Very disappointed with his play. Trade him while he has value.
Very disappointed with his play. Trade him while he has value.
Ellis is what he is... A tweeter G that is fast, athletic, and not a particularly good shooter. He had more assists tonight than Jennings.
Still better than Bogut, who still isn't more than a bit player after a year from his ankle injury.
Still better than Bogut, who still isn't more than a bit player after a year from his ankle injury.
Ellis has done a lot more for the Bucks than Bogut has done for Golden State.
Still was a good trade IMO
Still was a good trade IMO
Wow, Dalembert on fire with 21 points in less than 10 minutes. Would be nice for Bucks to play two good halfs for once and get a big road win.
... and I'll echo again, please DO NOT pay BJennings big money. When he is not hitting shots, he is worthless. Lawson ate his lunch on both ends.
We get 30+ out of Dalembert and Ellis n BJ suck nuggets. Pathetic.
We get 30+ out of Dalembert and Ellis n BJ suck nuggets. Pathetic.
True to form, behind horrible shooting by Jennings and Ellis, the Bucks blow it again in the second half.
6-21 montae
Keep chucking
Ersan, the one true shooter we have gets 6 shots
Ridiculous
Montae is after his money, nothing else
Trade him
Keep chucking
Ersan, the one true shooter we have gets 6 shots
Ridiculous
Montae is after his money, nothing else
Trade him
Pretty bad loss. Jennings with back to back turnovers with the game in the line- nice work, Franchise Player.
I guess we are once again faced with the best Bucks fans can hope for.
Blow up the team and see what happens.
Blow up the team and see what happens.
Jennings 8-27. Keep chucking. Why an awful offense. Different coach, same garbage
Keep chucking
Keep chucking
Terrible loss by Milwaukee
Detroit was 5-18 on the road coming into this game and they beat the Bucks again. Not good.
Ellis and Jennings combined 11-46 from the floor
When does Sanders return? And why did John Henson only play 6 minutes?
Detroit was 5-18 on the road coming into this game and they beat the Bucks again. Not good.
Ellis and Jennings combined 11-46 from the floor
When does Sanders return? And why did John Henson only play 6 minutes?
Yup- another BAD loss. The little boost most teams get from a coaching change has subsided. Teams know what to do to make the Bucks offense stall- make Jennings and Ellis shoot from the perimeter. Doesn't always work, like when they're making them, but more often than not it opens the game up and makes the Bucks defense look bad. Minus Sanders and its really bad.
Hammond, dump this roster and don't waste your time trying to be he tallest midget. Trade them both and make a run at the lottery. Keep building through the draft- but you gotta keep hitting on pick, too. This year is the kind of year you get a sleeper that turns out to be a star.
Hammond, dump this roster and don't waste your time trying to be he tallest midget. Trade them both and make a run at the lottery. Keep building through the draft- but you gotta keep hitting on pick, too. This year is the kind of year you get a sleeper that turns out to be a star.
I'm starting to think that they both need to go, particularly after I read the following two quotes.
"It's just going to take a team effort. From here on out I'm going to be aggressive. If I've got to take 20, 30 shots to win the game then that's what I'm going to do right now."
Nothing like saying we need a team effort and then saying I'm going to be a one-man team. Boylan needs to reign this kid in.
Brandon Jennings finished with a game-high 26 points but needed 27 shots to do it, while backcourt mate Monta Ellis took just nine shots in 38 minutes. Ellis finished with eight points and three turnovers. Asked about the shot discrepancy, Boylan said, "I don't know. You'd have to ask Monta that."
Jennings now feels like he has a green light to shoot regardless of the outcome. Monta starting to mail it in, knowing that he won't be on this team beyond this year, if that long. OTOH, Calderone joins the Pistons and immediately starts making the people around him better while shooting for a high percentage. This team has talent but they need to play like a team to get anywhere.
"It's just going to take a team effort. From here on out I'm going to be aggressive. If I've got to take 20, 30 shots to win the game then that's what I'm going to do right now."
Nothing like saying we need a team effort and then saying I'm going to be a one-man team. Boylan needs to reign this kid in.
Brandon Jennings finished with a game-high 26 points but needed 27 shots to do it, while backcourt mate Monta Ellis took just nine shots in 38 minutes. Ellis finished with eight points and three turnovers. Asked about the shot discrepancy, Boylan said, "I don't know. You'd have to ask Monta that."
Jennings now feels like he has a green light to shoot regardless of the outcome. Monta starting to mail it in, knowing that he won't be on this team beyond this year, if that long. OTOH, Calderone joins the Pistons and immediately starts making the people around him better while shooting for a high percentage. This team has talent but they need to play like a team to get anywhere.
Jennings is a talented player, but his problem's in his head. He doesn't think he's limited. He's Nate Robinson. You don't give big 8 figure contracts to Nate Robinson.
It's time to just admit that he's not going to even be an All Star. Not the kind you build around.
This is the kind of weak draft that you pick up a couple extra picks and out-scout everyone. You save 20-some million and you don't invest in Nate Robinson.
It's time to just admit that he's not going to even be an All Star. Not the kind you build around.
This is the kind of weak draft that you pick up a couple extra picks and out-scout everyone. You save 20-some million and you don't invest in Nate Robinson.
Ellis and Jennings are similar players. They are undersized guards that have good quickness but they get overpowered defensively and neither guy has a good outside shot.
The biggest issue I have is they are selfish players and they have always played that way.
The biggest issue I have is they are selfish players and they have always played that way.
Well, it might not be rock bottom but it's close. Losing by 12 to a bad Washington team at home. 
Another game where the team shoots under 40%
Another game where the team shoots under 40%
What is the most frustrating is that this team always falls apart the same way. Lack of energy, terrible shot selection, poor rebounding, and poor defense. It doesnt matter who the coach is or who the players are. God know Hammond has ripped apart this team over and over again the last few years. Tremendous turnover. Its just a bad culture. Time to blow it up again and rebuild again??? When does it end?? All I know is having two chuckers and nothing elese doesn't work
Who is elite as a coach? What do they all have in common?
The bucks will not be able to climb the mountain without someone that knows how to climb.
The bucks will not be able to climb the mountain without someone that knows how to climb.
Report: Mavericks interested in Brandon Jennings. If Bucks move him.
Kurt Helin
Feb 13, 2013, 8:40 AM EST
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Brandon Jennings AP
The Milwaukee Bucks have tested the trade waters for Brandon Jennings — he’s a restricted free agent this summer they think is going to potentially get offers larger than they want to match. So do you trade him now and get something for him? The Bucks will listen.
The Mavericks are interested if Milwaukee is serious, tweeted Marc Stein of ESPN.
For the Mavericks this makes sense — they want a point guard of the future and Jennings could be that guy. Cuban has regretted on giving up on Steve Nash too quickly and would love to have someone that can play fast and lead his team. Look what Cuban said Monday, as reported by ESPNDallas.com.
“I’ll analogize it to Steve Nash,” Cuban said Monday, speaking in generalities about the type of player the Mavs would target. “Whatever we saw in Nash and [Michael] Finley with Donnie [Nelson] back then, same type of thing. There’s been lots of players we picked up over time that weren’t All-Stars that turned into cornerstones. We’d take those.
“They don’t have to be proven. They’d have to be someone we think it’s just a question of time or system or coaching or whatever.”
If the Bucks try to foist Drew Gooden as part of this deal, it likely does right there.
Even if it is just Jennings, the challenge is what would go back to the Bucks, who would want another point guard or a big man. Darren Collison or Brandan Wright are not going to get it done, so Dallas is going to have to find a way to send actual quality back.
All that said, keep your eye on Jennings for the next week, and Dallas as well.
Kurt Helin
Feb 13, 2013, 8:40 AM EST
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Brandon Jennings AP
The Milwaukee Bucks have tested the trade waters for Brandon Jennings — he’s a restricted free agent this summer they think is going to potentially get offers larger than they want to match. So do you trade him now and get something for him? The Bucks will listen.
The Mavericks are interested if Milwaukee is serious, tweeted Marc Stein of ESPN.
For the Mavericks this makes sense — they want a point guard of the future and Jennings could be that guy. Cuban has regretted on giving up on Steve Nash too quickly and would love to have someone that can play fast and lead his team. Look what Cuban said Monday, as reported by ESPNDallas.com.
“I’ll analogize it to Steve Nash,” Cuban said Monday, speaking in generalities about the type of player the Mavs would target. “Whatever we saw in Nash and [Michael] Finley with Donnie [Nelson] back then, same type of thing. There’s been lots of players we picked up over time that weren’t All-Stars that turned into cornerstones. We’d take those.
“They don’t have to be proven. They’d have to be someone we think it’s just a question of time or system or coaching or whatever.”
If the Bucks try to foist Drew Gooden as part of this deal, it likely does right there.
Even if it is just Jennings, the challenge is what would go back to the Bucks, who would want another point guard or a big man. Darren Collison or Brandan Wright are not going to get it done, so Dallas is going to have to find a way to send actual quality back.
All that said, keep your eye on Jennings for the next week, and Dallas as well.
maybe they can throw in monta ellis and we can get rid of all the chuckers
I like Darren Collison. I think he could become very good with the right coaching. That coach isn't in MKE, but thats another discussion.
I don't want another big. The Bucks have their young bigs. Getting rid of Gooden would be great. Getting Collison would be great. But that's not enough. The Bucks would need a first rounder, not lottery protected. Most are down on this draft anyway. If Collison and a first round pick is offered, the Bucks dodge a few bullets- they don't have to pay Jennings, they have a young PG that easily has as much potential, and they get rid of Gooden and pick up an extra 1st rounder.
I make that deal, I think...
I don't want another big. The Bucks have their young bigs. Getting rid of Gooden would be great. Getting Collison would be great. But that's not enough. The Bucks would need a first rounder, not lottery protected. Most are down on this draft anyway. If Collison and a first round pick is offered, the Bucks dodge a few bullets- they don't have to pay Jennings, they have a young PG that easily has as much potential, and they get rid of Gooden and pick up an extra 1st rounder.
I make that deal, I think...
The draft pick would be nice but I would make that move if it means they can also dump Gooden.
The reality is that nobody is going to give away the farm for Jennings because he isn't signed long term and he isn't a sure thing.
For the Bucks they are going to clear a lot of salary this offseason and that is even more the case if Ellis opts out of his deal after this season. They can still build around Henson and Sanders and Harris - all promising young guys. Ersan and Moute are also pieces to the puzzle but they need a legit backcourt that wants to be there.
The reality is that nobody is going to give away the farm for Jennings because he isn't signed long term and he isn't a sure thing.
For the Bucks they are going to clear a lot of salary this offseason and that is even more the case if Ellis opts out of his deal after this season. They can still build around Henson and Sanders and Harris - all promising young guys. Ersan and Moute are also pieces to the puzzle but they need a legit backcourt that wants to be there.
