2015 Offseason/Regular Season Cuts, Trades, Free Agent Moves/Firings

Too many questions about House's durability to give him the big contact, although there's probably a team out there that'll be willing to take the chance.

In this day and age of the NFL cornerbacks have never been in higher demand than they are now. 

It's very possible a team out there  could pay him starter type money even though he's not a complete player (yet).

If House and Tramon walk there is no question in my mind that TT takes a DB early.

       
       
He can catch when he doesn't need to though, setting the team on the one yard line resulting in a safety

The stone hands part is accurate, but I've got lousy coverage and can't aackle. 

Your spelling needs work too.

Maybe I meant to say I have cankles.

Are you Jason Wilde's sockpuppet?

Greg Jennings to the Packers make sense.  The Packers would feel good about Nelson and Adams but have nothing but question marks following those two if Cobb leaves.  Ted sunk three draft picks in the wide receiver position last year and he probably would not want to make another big investment in the position again this year.  The price tag for Jennings probably would be very reasonable when looking at the wide receiver market this year (free agents, veterans that will be cut, rookies in the draft).  Bringing in an experienced player like Jennings for what would be the equivalent to a 2-year deal would give the team a solid 1-2-3 punch and they wouldn't have to try to push Abbrederis and/or Janis faster than they need to go.  And it isn't like Jennings production fell off the face of the earth in Minnesota.  Last year he had 59 catches for 742 yards and 6 touchdowns, all were top marks for the team and that's not bad when you look at the quarterback/offensive situation that team was in last year.  Jennings likely returns to 900+ yards and 8+ touchdown seasons pretty easily if he returns to the Packers, and if that's the case the Packers really don't need to make any other investments at wide receiver this off-season.  I'd rather pay Cobb the nine to ten million a year and keep him, but if Cobb goes then getting Jennings for half the price would be a pretty reasonable move for Green Bay to make.

Does not make sense at all.  Declining in skills, bridge burning, not remotely the same player as Cobb as far as utility.  If they are going to replace Cobb, especially without a big play TE stretching the seam, they need someone who isn't trying to compete with Jordy as a #1 on the outside.

That bridge be burned.

I think, in general, Packer fans are far more sensitive than the guys running the business.  

 

 

It makes no sense. I doubt Thompson cares about Gerg running his mouth, but it's just not how he operates...especially at WR. Thompson pays for production and Gerg has not been producing. Thompson also keeps an eye toward the future and guys like Adams, Abby, and Janis look to be a big part of the future. He's not going to pay some aging vet who has not been producing to take PT away from young players who are being groomed for more PT. Never going to happen.

Packers are paper thin at wideout and bringing back Jennings would make a lot of sense if the terms were right. With the benefit of hindsight, letting James Jones go was a mistake given the inexplicable disappearance of Boykin. 

I'm bringing select posters of this thread to the next anti-abortion rally in town to show them they're wrong. 

Choose 'draft and develope'.

 

Ah no. Allowing Jones to walk also allowed the development of Adams. And by seasons end including the NFCC game, you could clearly see him evolving into a good WR. His sophomore season should be even better. 

 

TT correctly allowed Jones to walk and Jennings to seek employment elsewhere. Both on the wrong side of 30 and Jennings with a nagging list of injuries that hampered him his last couple seasons here.

 

TT doesn't always get it right. But at this position, he continues to infuse youth and speed. In 2015, you will be looking at Adams, Abracadabra, and Janis all with loads of ceiling and upside. Then add a more experienced and comfortable Rich Rod. Rodgers will continue to have weapons to choose from.

 

 

 

Once you get past Cobb and Jordy there wasn't much at all and the Packers are just fortunate that both of their two proven wideouts managed to stay healthy. It was pretty logical to assume that Boykin would build off his previous year and instead he developed into a big nothing at the position.  

 

Even if they sign Cobb, which I anticipate, the depth at the position still isn't particularly good. There's youth with potential there, but they haven't performed when it matters.

Heavens no.  I'm much smarter and wittier. 

 

That has been the case of wide out development since MM and TT have come to town.   If there is one position that TT has been flawless at (accompanied with AR's talent) has been WR.  If anything that reaction to not overpay and then pay fairly for proven effort for this skill position has been an asset to the team as a whole.

 

With that said, the versatility of Cobb coupled with his QB like perspective at WR has definitely earned him the contract.  What he did in the run game along with WR duties has been impressive.  The games were the offense went stagnant it was Cobb coming out of the backfield that lit the fire, even if it was too late (Buffalo).   

 

Jennings would have to come back on a seriously team friendly contract if he could stand to swallow his pride.  I don't doubt he will restructure with the Vajeens and still be overpaid.  

Must be a joe thing that they think Adams has no more upside. 

You can debate whether signing Jennings should or shouldn't happen, but the fact is that it's not happening. The only time we have seen Thompson truly pursue a 30+ year old player is re-signing productive players like Donald Driver, Ryan Pickett, Charles Woodson, etc. and signing Julius Peppers. Jennings will finish his career somewhere, it ain't going to be in GB unless it's a 1 day retirement contract (which I doubt even that).

Should we sign Jennings? No. Depth is fine. Adams will get better. I may be the only one, but I think if Boykin can get over his sophomore slump or yips or whatever is wrong then I think he could also be productive. He showed a lot in 2013 and I think he could be a good WR if he gets his head on straight. Janis and Abby are both physically gifted and sound like hard workers so I really think they can be factors if healthy. This is the way it's done, signing older vets that we don't need hinders the development of young guys. Getting reps with the first and second team is the only way for Rodgers to get the timing with them right, scout team is only helpful for improving technique and showing you're a team player. Signing Jennings would take meaningful reps from guys who need them.

Probably the only one.

Boykin may have a hard time making the roster.

Speaking of someone needing to work on spelling...

Maybe he's a limey.

I think Thompson should take a long look at what will be available on the market, whether that be Jennings or some other veteran receiver.

 

There is a big difference between James Jones leaving and Randall Cobb leaving.  When Jones left the Packers were looking to replace a receiver that had cracked the 800 yard mark 1 time during his 7 years with the Packers (817 receiving yards was the high mark), whereas Cobb had nearly 1300 yards last season and probably would have been over 950 yards in each of the three previous seasons had he not gotten injured in 2013.  Losing Cobb would be a big deal.  I don't think it's so easy as Adams just takes Cobbs place and Abbrederis takes Adams place.

 

The Packers will feel good about Nelson and Adams.  Normally I would say the Packers would probably just count on a bounce back year from Boykin, but I got the impression the Packer coaches were disappointed with how he did last season.  If I'm wrong about that and the Packers feel Boykin will give them ~700 yards in 2015 then I don't think the Packers will address the receiver position in any manner.  But if they are unsure of Boykin, the rest of the wide receiver depth...Abbrederis, Dorsey, Janis...has a grand total of 1 NFL catch.  The Packers run way too many multiple receiver sets to head into a season with only two guys they have a solid confidence in.

 

We are not talking about giving big money to a possible wide receiver addition.  This isn't like going after Larry Fitzgerald.  This is about going after a veteran who would come at a reasonable price in a deep wide receiver market that would provide a great insurance policy when considering the question marks behind Nelson and Adams.  If Abbrederis (or Dorsey or Janis) emerges as a solid #3 from day one of training camp, then he is the guy who plays, not the veteran wide receiver addition.  Like with Guion last year, if Raji was healthy the entire year how much would Guion have played?  If Guion only had played <20% of the snaps would that have been a bad investment by Thompson?  He was signed for depth and it turned out to be a very good signing because he was solid insurance when Raji was injured.  Same concept here, a veteran wide receiver provides insurance if Abbrederis/Dorsey/Janis does not improve or if Nelson or Adams goes down with injury.

I too think Cobb is a big deal. He is our most versatile offensive player, lining up in numerous positions. The formation with him in the backfield won the game for us vs. Cowboys. This kid is just an outstanding football player & I don't see him as being easily replaced.

Subtracting out the production and offensive versatility aspect, Cobb is my favorite (current) Packer so just from that standpoint I hope Thompson keeps him and puts any notion of addressing the wide receiver position this off-season to rest.

Cobb could very well be our most clutch receiver, I really hope Thompson doesn't just let him walk

Cobb isn't going anywhere. Ted's not letting a 24-year-old star walk away.

Thompson pays good young players who produce. He always has. Cobb will get done, if the deal doesn't get done it's because he's overpricing himself. If they don't get a deal done then he will get tagged. Cobb isn't going anywhere. Because of that, we aren't signing any vet receiver. We have young talent that needs to develop.

Agree GD.  And remember, slot receivers don't get $10m a year.  I think that's the sticking point and even if he makes it to free agency, I'd be shocked if he was offered, say, $60m over 6 years.  Victor Cruz had a better resume than Cobb and got something like $6-7m per year.  Welker got $12m over 2 years back in 2013.  Slot receivers just aren't game breakers like outside receivers are and thus aren't paid the same.  

 

We'll see what happens in free agency, but Cobb just needs to look at Greg Jennings for what happens to a smaller WR who leaves Rodgers for the money.  Cobb could very well leave for ~$60m over 6 years, get cut after 2 years of sub 1,000 yard seasons and be a 26 year-old receiver who is known to be a WR that was made by Rodgers.  Or he could sign with GB for $30m over 4 years and collect 100% and cash in again when he's 28.  

It won't be another bidder looking at Cobb as a slot that will price him out of GB.  It would have to be a team that would use him as the centerpiece of a big part of their playbook.  SEA started doing that with Harvin before he blew up/out.  And SEA is in need of some WR talent so watch out for them, current salary cap be damned.  How do PHI and NO's caps look?

I'm thinking that's the most likely scenario CU. Cobb's not stupid, he's still so young that he can get big money deals twice in his career. He has to have the numbers though to get paid a second time, the easiest way to get big numbers is to play with a really talented QB. He's not going to put up big numbers in anywhere but GB, NE, New Orleans, SD maybe, maybe Baltimore, etc. He needs to get paid handsomely now like he deserves, but his next contract also needs to factor in. Playing with Rodgers will lead to big numbers and big numbers lead to big money.

Does this mean ISIS will target me next?

Victor Cruz is making over $8M per year and he didn't have a better resume.

http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcnor...-randall-cobb-signed

 

Indications are that Cobb is seeking a deal that averages in the $9 million per year range. 

If that number is accurate, they'll get it worked out. Cobb is a core player and no way does TT let him walk. 

 

And traveled through time.

Let me help.

 

Agree Cobb is going nowhere if the average being reported is even close. It is probably down to number of years and guaranteed $$, which is what it will always come down to with Thompson.