Cobb has said today that he wants 9 mill/year. Think that is to much? He evidently thinks he is worth something now. Saw it on PFT.
It was an uncapped year, but most smart teams didn't overspeand. Everyone knew there would be a cap in 2011 so they structured their multi-year deals to account for that.
The point is that Thompson isn't afraid to pay multiple receivers if those receivers are performing. Cobb has produced well for multiple years and he will be paid a deal that is fair to Cobb and to the team.
The point is that Thompson isn't afraid to pay multiple receivers if those receivers are performing. Cobb has produced well for multiple years and he will be paid a deal that is fair to Cobb and to the team.
As Boris has astutely pointed out, the Packers do not put out ANY contract negotiations information or reports out ever. So any of these reports that ____ is seeking ___ we have to consider the source.
From the report on ESPN which PFT simply regurgitated:
It's unclear how far talks have progressed, if they have at all, between the Packers and Cobb's agent, Jimmy Sexton. Sexton did not return a message left Monday. The two sides likely will meet later this week at the NFL scouting combine in Indianapolis.
So what it boils down to is Cobb has said nothing and the amount is likely little more then a guess. We also saw last year that GB was allegedly interested in X player. Only to find out that was little more then X player's agent putting out a story knowing full well GB won't deny the story in order to drub up supposed interest in their client so other teams snatch that player up. Rinse, repeat.
If a Bulaga, House, Cobb etc is signed as others have said that likely won't take place until FA is about to open up
Originally Posted by phaedrus:
Originally Posted by CUPackFan:
Originally Posted by pablopackerfan:
Who was it that blew the 2-point hail mary?
Clinton-Dix
Yup, just one of a half dozen or so plays so surreal it proves the truth of quantum mechanics.
No. You see quantum mechanics is explainable and actually makes sense. The last 3:54? Nuh uh.
In other words the ball passed right through Bostick?
The Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle suggests... we'll never know
Certainly not with the NFL refs. Although that would be the Hochuli Uncertainty Principle.
Heisenberg posited that you simply can't know the answer without actually disturbing the results. Here's an example:
Note how cockroaches scurry when the light goes on ? That means we can't ever know what the cock-a-roaches do in the dark, because once we shine a light on them.... they change.
In order to know if the ball passed right through Bostick, they have to shine a light on him
And when they did, he got cut from the team.
So now we'll never know; he may actually be kafka's cockroach, with 8 legs aflailing
I still think Hawk might stick with the Packers in some capacity...Good guy. Packer People.
$9 mill a year is top ten money. I can't see TT paying two WRs top ten coin.
My guess is we insert Abby in that role and spend that money elsewhere. Bulaga, Peppers, and Tramom make more sense to me. Just have to hope Abby can stay healthy playing in the big boy league.
Originally Posted by GBP1:
I still think Hawk might stick with the Packers in some capacity...Good guy. Packer People.
For faks sake. Enough with the "coach on the field" BS. If he is so savvy you would think he would have anticipated a play here or there or known how to defend the read option.
Originally Posted by BrainDed:
My guess is we insert Abby in that role and spend that money elsewhere.
He hasn't caught a single pass in the NFL and you're suggesting just plugging him in to replace Cobb? Seriously? Love his upside but that's just wishful thinking.
Given what Cobb brings to the table I don't see the number floated as being outrageous and expect the two sides to work things out. Just can't see TT letting Cobb walk.
Well if Abrewhatever is ready to take over for Cobb, surely we can cut Nelson and sub in Janis right? Oh wait nevermind Jordy is white already.
Abby was THE weakest participant in the whole combine last year with a bench press rep of 4....and we expect him to break tackles in the middle of the field, run the ball some, & do all the things that Cobb does?
The only way Cobb isn't a Packer in 2015 is if Cobb doesn't want to be a Packer in 2015.
Originally Posted by Dr._Bob:
In other words the ball passed right through Bostick?
If we replay that play an infinite number of times, which it seems we already have, then yes. It could have passed right through him.
What Chilli said, absolutely. As pointed out if Cobb wants to maximize income over his career the smart move is to re-sign with GB now, rack up stats and rings with the MVP, and then look for a ball busting contract in another 4 years. I was pleasantly surprised to see the reports about $9 million/per, in this market that's very reasonable.
I really don't get all this angst. We've seen Ted's model which says he re-signs Cobb. We've seen Cobb who by all appearances is not stupid and enjoys playing here. There is no ready replacement on the roster. A deal will be getting done.
Bulaga is the concern because someone out there will be willing to throw stupid money at him.
There's an alternate universe out there in which the Packers beat the Seahawks and won SB49.quote:If we replay that play an infinite number of times, which it seems we already have, then yes. It could have passed right through him.
Spock also has a goatee in that particular universe.
Originally Posted by BrainDed:
$9 mill a year is top ten money. I can't see TT paying two WRs top ten coin.
My guess is we insert Abby in that role and spend that money elsewhere. Bulaga, Peppers, and Tramom make more sense to me. Just have to hope Abby can stay healthy playing in the big boy league.
Rodgers would understand.
keeping cobb is a tough call.
thats alot of $ in WR, a position many think is more easily replaceable when you have an MVP QB that can make average receivers very good.
Also opportunity cost of TT bringing in a top front 7 contributor on defense
If you don't put money into the OL or WR positions, you are not maximizing Rodgers' value. Maximize Rodgers' value. Sign Cobb.
Originally Posted by BrainDed:
$9 mill a year is top ten money. I can't see TT paying two WRs top ten coin.
Thompson doesn't look at it as top ten because those numbers change every season. This year's top ten is next years top 20
If you look at it from a positional spending POV ( which is how NFL front offices do it) you'll note GB is near the bottom of the league in WR spending.... On a passing team with Rodgers at QB
http://overthecap.com/positional-spending/
Hit the WR column and it will sort for WR spending. GB is wayyyy down the list
Cobb will get paid, he'll be a Packer. Mark it down
Originally Posted by Dr._Bob:
If you don't put money into the OL or WR positions, you are not maximizing Rodgers' value. Maximize Rodgers' value. Sign Cobb.
This.
Hall of Famer Ron Wolf has always said one of his biggest mistakes was not giving Brent enough WR help.
Even if they have to overpay a bit for the slot they must keep Cobb. They have to balance Rodgers timetable versus the production they expect from the receivers. Right now, with Rodgers near his peak and 3 receivers in sync with him, the Packers can count on 30+ passing touchdowns a season. And they can reasonably expect that for 3 years. If they sign Cobb.
Jesus.......that's depressing how money has been sunk into the linebacking corp. Most in the NFL by quite a bit. Pretty sad that it's also the weakness of this team.
Originally Posted by Orlando Wolf:
bulaga as a bear next season.
bostick as a goat this season.
Originally Posted by BrainDed:
Bulaga, Peppers, and Tramom make more sense to me.
Bulaga, I understand.....
Peppers & Tramon....not as much
By cutting those two so called "inside linebackers" it will make the room for Cobb. Mark it down. He isn't going anywhere. We all know he is a great player, but what really sets him apart from 95% of the receivers in the NFL is his attitude. I'm just glad the Packers have two receivers that make up that 5%.
Originally Posted by michiganjoe:
Originally Posted by BrainDed:
My guess is we insert Abby in that role and spend that money elsewhere.
He hasn't caught a single pass in the NFL and you're suggesting just plugging him in to replace Cobb? Seriously? Love his upside but that's just wishful thinking.
Given what Cobb brings to the table I don't see the number floated as being outrageous and expect the two sides to work things out. Just can't see TT letting Cobb walk.
Yes, that's how the draft and develop thing works. You draft guys who cost less than veterans and groom them so that they eventually produce.
I'm not saying he is going to put up Cobbs numbers in year 1, but that's life in the NFL. He has the build of a slot WR, Cobb was our slot guy, this makes him the obvious replacement if Cobb is demanding to much money.
...and I love how so many here are dangling from the nuts of our 7th round pick at WR, even suggesting to activate him for the playoffs, but immediately dismiss the possibility of our 5th round WR contributing.
That makes sense.
You mean our 5th round WR coming off an ACL tear after his handful of concussions in college? Forgive everyone for not assuming a player with no NFL experience coming off an ACL tear could not immediately step in and replace an elite veteran player in one of the most complex offenses in the league.
Originally Posted by BrainDed:
. He has the build of a slot WR, Cobb was our slot guy, this makes him the obvious replacement if Cobb is demanding to much money.
...again he was the weakest (upper body strength) athlete tested at last year's combine & has a history of concussions....not exactly a "recipe for success" playing between the hash marks in the NFL.
Packers top 4 WR by cap number in 2011 after Jennings got his new deal.
Player | Pos. | Salary |
Greg Jennings | WR | $ 7.638mm |
Donald Driver | WR | $ 4.956mm |
James Jones | WR | $ 2.75mm |
Jordy Nelson | WR | $1.064mm |
|
| $16.408mm |
This was with an adjusted cap of $121mm
They can and will give Cobb what he deserves and probably will have less (cap) spend on the WR position in 2015 than they did in 2011. The 2015 cap number for Jordy is $4.6mm.
Oh, so now Ted is an idot for drafting a weak WR with head problems? Clearly Ted's player evaluation skills have died just like the modern movie.
How much money do you need? - Jordy Nelson
That pretty much says it all right there.
Silent film is making a come back.
I think Cobb will remain a Packer if Cobb wants to at Ted's price. What I don't see is Ted letting him get to UFA status and paying that going rate. So, we'll find out how bad Cobb wants to be here / how much Cobb views Rodgers as important to his success. Maybe $27M/3 yr if it's pretty backloaded. Cobb seems like a great guy, but also talks like a guy who wants to get paid. He came off kind of bitter that things didn't get worked out already.