Originally Posted by Herschel:

The sad state of QB in the NFL: How many QBS are clearly better than Cutler?

 

Answer: not many.

QBs are better than they've ever been. There's never been a period where there have been this many clear-cut Hall of Famers playing at the same time. The problem with today's NFL is that all the rule changes have made the game too focused on throwing the ball. Teams used to be able to make it to Super Bowls with guys like Vince Ferragamo and David Woodley by compensating with strong defenses and rushing attacks. That's impossible in today's NFL.

Not only the protection rules, but all of the ticky-tack PI/illegal contact/holding penalties. If you were to take the '85 Bears secondary or the '96 Packers secondary and put them on a defense today, they'd be one of the most heavily penalized groups in the league (at least until they adjusted to the new rules). Things got really bad in that regard at the end of Tagliabue's tenure, and they've only gotten worse under Goodell.

Originally Posted by Pack-Man:
Originally Posted by Herschel:

Teams used to be able to make it to Super Bowls with guys like Vince Ferragamo and David Woodley by compensating with strong defenses and rushing attacks. That's impossible in today's NFL.

Collin Kaepernick and Russ Wilson don't agree with this. At least not publicly. 

Originally Posted by ChilliJon:
Originally Posted by Pack-Man:
Originally Posted by Herschel:

Teams used to be able to make it to Super Bowls with guys like Vince Ferragamo and David Woodley by compensating with strong defenses and rushing attacks. That's impossible in today's NFL.

Collin Kaepernick and Russ Wilson don't agree with this. At least not publicly. 

I hate Wilson, but he is a talented QB (not #2 salary in the league level talented, but he's at least in the top third of the league's starting QBs). Kaepernick was/is a pure gimmick player. He initially took the league by storm before teams figured him out, and he reacted poorly to the adversity since he's an immature punk.

Originally Posted by Satori:

More on Cutler from Grantland

http://grantland.com/the-trian...f-smokin-jay-cutler/

 

Cliff Notes version:

"From the moment Cutler posed with Lovie Smith and Jerry Angelo for the first time at Halas Hall, the Bears have hired two new head coaches, two new general managers, and five offensive coordinators. Cutler has taken Chicago to the playoffs once, the same number of trips Rex Grossman and Kyle Orton delivered during their seasons as the team’s starting quarterback."

 

 

And during the most important playoff game he ever played in, he quit.

Apples & Oranges.

 

Can't compare 2 separate people & 2 separate injuries & subsequently 2 separate pain tolerances. 

 

Hey, we all know Cutler is a pussy & should've kept playing. That much we agree on. Where we disagree (apparently) is on the severity of Cutlers injury. I'm ok with that.

I'll remind you fellows that the spirit of the TBSS is ****ting on the Bores only and purely. 

Any relevant Packer currents events talk (that has nothing to do with the last butt raping on said Bores by said Packers) will render me dyspeptic and it just shan't be pretty.

If not for the Packers, Jay Cutler is a pretty good QB

If you throw out his performances against the Packers, one could argue that Jay Cutler is a very good NFL quarterback (despite what Steve Young says). 

 

No, seriously.

 

Windy City Gridiron’s Lester A. Wilfong Jr. worked the numbers, and they’re eye-opening. 

 

Cutler against the NFL minus the Packers: 61W-48L (.560), 2,186 for 3,511 (62.3%), 25,342 yards, 170 TDs (4.8%), 108 Ints (3.1%), 87.4 passer rating.

 

By comparison, Hall of Fame quarterback Troy Aikman, who called Sunday’s Bears-Packers game for Fox, put up these career numbers: 94W-71L (.569), 2898 for 4175 (61.5%), 32,942 yards, 165 TDs (3.5%), 141 Ints (3.0%), 81.6 passer rating. Note: Aikman also has three Super Bowl rings. 

 

Wilfong points out that the Packers have had a winning record every year Cutler has faced them, averaging 11.7 wins. 

 

Here are Cutler’s stats in 13 games (including playoffs) vs. the Packers: 1W-12L (.077), 243 for 424 (57.3%), 2,986 yards, 16 TDs (3.8%), 24 Ints (5.7%), 66.1 passer rating.

http://chicago.suntimes.com/sp...utler-pretty-good-qb

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