I just can't believe Jaymo doesn't have a front office job. 
Jaymo never would have relied on Brett Hundley to be his #1 option should ARoj snap another collarbalsa.
A very stable singing Dr jeenyus. It's almost too good to be true.
But Dr. Jeenyus just knew Keenum was going to lerad the Yikes to the NFC Championship Game. I'm surprised he hasn't told us he would have rtraded for him in stead of the oft injured Bradford. And speaking of Bradford, talk about balsawood..............
ammo posted:But Dr. Jeenyus just knew Keenum was going to lerad the Yikes to the NFC Championship Game. I'm surprised he hasn't told us he would have rtraded for him in stead of the oft injured Bradford. And speaking of Bradford, talk about balsawood..............
Yep. If Ted Thompson was the GM of the Vikings, they would have rolled to 7-9 with Taylor Heinicke. Thank God for Spieldope, he had the foresight to realize that injuries happen and you need quality depth...especially at the most important position.
p.s. how hammered are you right now?
Not hammered, cold arthritic fingers from a long day working outside, something I doubt you ever do. Now don't you feel like the dumbass you are.
Jaymo posted:ammo posted:But Dr. Jeenyus just knew Keenum was going to lerad the Yikes to the NFC Championship Game. I'm surprised he hasn't told us he would have rtraded for him in stead of the oft injured Bradford. And speaking of Bradford, talk about balsawood..............
Yep. If Ted Thompson was the GM of the Vikings, they would have rolled to 7-9 with Taylor Heinicke. Thank God for Spieldope, he had the foresight to realize that injuries happen and you need quality depth...especially at the most important position.
p.s. how hammered are you right now?
If my counts are right the vikings have had 25 starting qbās since 1992 while the Packers have had six I believe. So tell us all, who on Godās green earth are you to come in here and talk about the Packers instability is at qb? Your Yikings not only passed on one of the greatest qbās in the history in the NFL but they passed on him TWICE! If thatās not instability please explain to us what is cuz it sure as hell isnāt the Packers!
p.s. how hamered are YOU right now?
packerboi posted:So is Morgan Burnett worth 11 mil a year?
Maybe, depending on the structure, but that's a lot of scratch. He'd be the fifth-highest salary for the position until another good safety gets a contract. He's good, he's versatile, but he hasn't been the most durable.
There is no chance that Cobb and Jordy both return making their current salaries. No chance.
I also think Clay is at risk given his cap space.
Burnett is interesting but 11MM for an above average player is a lot of jack.
Jaymo posted:Yep. If Ted Thompson was the GM of the Vikings, they would have rolled to 7-9 with Taylor Heinicke. Thank God for Spieldope, he had the foresight to realize that injuries happen and you need quality depth...especially at the most important position.
p.s. how hammered are you right now?
Totally right. Thompson can't touch Spielman's record when it comes to wins, playoff appearances and SB wins. Oh wait...
Tschmack posted:There is no chance that Cobb and Jordy both return making their current salaries. No chance.
I also think Clay is at risk given his cap space.
Burnett is interesting but 11MM for an above average player is a lot of jack.
This is why I say we need to draft a WR. We may indeed lose either Jordy or Cobb or maybe even both of them. If we lose both, I think MM and Philban will move Montgomery to WR. Will Clay be a Packer next season? Burnett will be back but not in the role he played in Capers' defense. Lots of questions to be answered prior to the draft and FA.
Burnett and Clay being on the roster next season fully hinges on how valuable Pettine considers them for his scheme. The $$ situation for both of them going into the season will say a lot about what the new DC has in mind for them.
I think we need to draft a WR high (not a high WR) whether 18 and 87 are in GB or not. I don't think that changes.
I'd like to see an impact WR drafted as well, but I'd really like to see an ILB who can patrol the middle. As for WR, Geronimo hasn't taken the next step, Davis just seems like a sprinter and not a WR, Cobb is a slot guy and doesn't really open the field, Jordy is solid, Janis! is a STer only, Clark has potential but is raw. Adams is the only stud, but he's not a burner. A second top-notch guy would help open things up.
An inside LB who could run and hit would be a dream.
Tschmack posted:There is no chance that Cobb and Jordy both return making their current salaries. No chance.
I also think Clay is at risk given his cap space.
Burnett is interesting but 11MM for an above average player is a lot of jack.
I think Cobb is back.
Jordy may retire, but if he comes back it will be at a much reduced salary.
I think Clay is back. He's at 11 million, but I don't think that is an unreasonable salary.
Morgan Burnett is a guy that is good enough to win with, but I don't think he's a difference maker. He's played 8 years (102 games) and has 9 total interceptions with 52 return yards.
Nick Collins played 6 years and had 21 interceptions (507 return yards).
Clinton-Dix has played 4 years and has 11 interceptions.
I know those guys are free safeties and Burnett is a strong safety, but some other comparisons with strong safeties.
Leroy Butler, 12 years with 38 interceptions.
In the two years, Charlie Peprah played significantly for GB (2010-11) he had 7 interceptions.
In his three years as a primary Packer SS, Atari Bigby had 10 interceptions in 29 games.
I know interceptions aren't everything and Burnett has strengths against the run, but I think you'd want to see more big plays from a safety that has started that many games to pay over 10 million. He's assignment sure and understands the defense, which basically makes him AJ Hawk - except that he's not a liability. He's an average player.
Roquan seems the only blue chipper ILB to fit that description this year and every mock draft I've seen have him slated to OAK. Not that they mean anything and "top 10" ILB's have slipped before but I wouldn't hold your breath.
TT seemed to have a commandment about not picking a WR in RD1 so it will be interesting to see what Glutes does if a top WR "falls" to 14 and there isn't a valuable enough OLB there to pick. It looks like he could nab a RD1 worthy WR at #46 if enough teams pass. I think Geranimo is still developing. Everybody but 17's stats nosedived with AR's shoulder.
MichiganPacker posted:Morgan Burnett is a guy that is good enough to win with, but I don't think he's a difference maker. He's played 8 years (102 games) and has 9 total interceptions with 52 return yards.
Should have about 80 return yards and a TD.
DH13 posted:MichiganPacker posted:Morgan Burnett is a guy that is good enough to win with, but I don't think he's a difference maker. He's played 8 years (102 games) and has 9 total interceptions with 52 return yards.
Should have about 80 return yards and a TD.
As Kinky so famously said. " let Saigons be bygones ". We need to put that behind us.
Grave Digger posted:Totally right. Thompson can't touch Spielman's record when it comes to wins, playoff appearances and SB wins. Oh wait...
Youāll get no argument from me. Ted Thompson is a solid GM as long as #4 and #12 line up behind center.
Without them.....well, heās no longer a GM, is he?
Jaymo posted:Grave Digger posted:Totally right. Thompson can't touch Spielman's record when it comes to wins, playoff appearances and SB wins. Oh wait...Youāll get no argument from me. Ted Thompson is a solid GM as long as #4 and #12 line up behind center.
Without them.....well, heās no longer a GM, is he?
what a stupid comment. You yahoos were jumping up and down when TT let Favre bolt and stuck with Rodgers. At that time you were saying what an idiot he was. How did that work out for you and how did that work out for the Packers. According to your stupid logic, I guess he should have got rid of a hall of fame QB to show he was still a great GM.
Ted had his faults but he was a damn good GM that stuck by his beliefs. The Vikings or any other organization would have been lucky to have him over the past ten years. Is it not possible for you and your ilk to give one iota of credit to how the Packers have been successfull. It has been with his help and not inspite of.
Your own coach and GM said when they were hired that having the same success as the Packers was their goal. So if Ted was so bad why would your managment have made those comments. I would say even they know success even if their delusional fans have no idea how it needs to be accomplished.
Vikings fans are truly the worse fans on the planet. Jealous little pissants.
Jaymo posted:Youāll get no argument from me. Ted Thompson is a solid GM as long as #4 and #12 line up behind center.
Without them.....well, heās no longer a GM, is he?
A SB winning GM. Does Rick Spielman have one of these?
Here's what it comes down to: even if they lose Vikings fans will be psyched that they made it to the NFCC. Packer fans are disappointed when the Packers only make it to the NFCC.
Grave Digger postedacker fans are disappointed when the Packers only make it to the NFCC.
Oh, trust me, Iāve heard several packer fans say that if the Vikings donāt win the Super Bowl, that the packers had just as successful of a season.
That explains all the gnashing off teeth as they inch ever closer.
Rate these three scenarios in order of enjoyment to packer fans:
a) packers make the playoffs and lose
b) packers win the superbowl
c) packers miss the playoffs
Jaymo posted:Oh, trust me, Iāve heard several packer fans say that if the Vikings donāt win the Super Bowl, that the packers had just as successful of a season.
That explains all the gnashing off teeth as they inch ever closer.
Rate these three scenarios in order of enjoyment to packer fans:
a) packers make the playoffs and lose
b) packers win the superbowl
c) packers miss the playoffs
But I can actually rate these because I've experience the joy of the Packers winning a SB! TWICE in my lifetime! You can only rate the experience of losing in the playoffs or missing the playoffs as a Vikings fan because...well...you have no frame of reference for the Vikings winning a SB!
Cap expected to exceed $180mm. No need to cut or restructure Nelson, Cobb, Burnett, Matthews..........
Pikes Peak posted:DH13 posted:MichiganPacker posted:Morgan Burnett is a guy that is good enough to win with, but I don't think he's a difference maker. He's played 8 years (102 games) and has 9 total interceptions with 52 return yards.
Should have about 80 return yards and a TD.
As Kinky so famously said. " let Saigons be bygones ". We need to put that behind us.
Yeah good luck with that. Trauma is the hardest scab to heal and the easiest to pick. Just ask a MIN fan.
Grave Digger posted:But I can actually rate these
Rate them then.
Jaymo posted: Oh, trust me, Iāve heard several packer fans say that if the Vikings donāt win the Super Bowl, that the packers had just as successful of a season.
I'm sure you did...but the question is how long were you trolling and goading them before they made the comment.
I'm sure there are Packer fans who feel that way...but that doesn't mean everyone feels that way.
I am almost to the point where I am OK with the Vikings winning the Superb Owl, because I just can't bare to think of the suffering that some of them would endure if they loss. It's like when I used to watch I Love Lucy as a child. I couldn't bare to watch some episodes because I felt so bad for Lucy and the predicament she got herself into.
Jaymo posted:Grave Digger postedOh, trust me, Iāve heard several packer fans say that if the Vikings donāt win the Super Bowl, that the packers had just as successful of a season.
That explains all the gnashing off teeth as they inch ever closer.
Rate these three scenarios in order of enjoyment to packer fans:
a) packers make the playoffs and lose
b) packers win the superbowl
c) packers miss the playoffs
First of all, I don't hear folks talking about missing the playoffs is just as successful as making the playoffs, even if you lose the superbowl. I would tell any Packer fan who made that statement that it is stupid (almost as stupid as you can only judge the quality of a QB buy superbowl rings, ie. the "Dilfer is better than Marino" argument). GD is correct though, Packer fans are disappointed if they only make it to the NFCC
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2) Lose any point in the playoffs
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justanotherpackerfan posted:I am almost to the point where I am OK with the Vikings winning the Superb Owl, because I just can't bare to think of the suffering that some of them would endure if they loss. It's like when I used to watch I Love Lucy as a child. I couldn't bare to watch some episodes because I felt so bad for Lucy and the predicament she got herself into.
Thanks for the memories GD!
GD, you forgot to end your post with a mic drop. Nice work!
Jaymo posted:Grave Digger postedOh, trust me, Iāve heard several packer fans say that if the Vikings donāt win the Super Bowl, that the packers had just as successful of a season.
That explains all the gnashing off teeth as they inch ever closer.
Rate these three scenarios in order of enjoyment to packer fans:
a) packers make the playoffs and lose
b) packers win the superbowl
c) packers miss the playoffs
You left out "Vike fans get their heart ripped out again!" I rate this #2 after Packers win Super Bowl.
packerboi posted:So is Morgan Burnett worth 11 mil a year?
For a guy that has 9 interceptions in 8 seasons? Burnett is one of those guys that always gets spoken of highly but never seems to produce. It would be one thing if GB's secondary was solid on the back end but they aren't. There are constant communication issues and missed assignments. The middle of the field is always wide open. I get Dom sucks but players gotta play too.
I'd let the guy walk... I actually think Kentrell Brice is a better football player anyhow. Jones will get better as well.
I have mixed feelings about Morgan Burnett as well. He was a pretty good player, but I never thought he was a great player. That said... we've seen 2 DBs who I felt the same way about in Green Bay end up becoming Pro Bowlers elsewhere (Hayward, Hyde). Maybe once Burnett leaves the same thing happens with him.
In Burnett's early years, I thought he had the chance to be really something special but I never felt like it ever materialized completely. Pretty good player, maybe above average, but never felt like a difference maker. Heck, the Packers won the Super Bowl with Burnett being out for most of the season and Charlie Peprah taking his spot.
Yes, but did Dom use Burnett properly? We saw with the other guys going to other teams and becoming pro bowlers that Dom and his assistants may not have had the best grasp on where players should be put for maximum success. Putting Burnett up into an LB position might not have been playing to his strengths.
Pretty sure Pettine will watch tape. Talk to Whitt and Perry. And decide wether or not Burnett is a fit for his defense.
The Morgan weāve watched the last few years isnāt worth $11 million / year.
But Morgan might be better than the version weāve watched the last few years.
If someone wants to offer Morgan $11 million though heās probably gone.
Regarding Jordy. He was leading the NFL in TD receptions and top 10 in yards when Rodgers went down in week 6. Only thing Jordy lost last year was a QB.
Fandame posted:I'd like to see an impact WR drafted as well, but I'd really like to see an ILB who can patrol the middle. As for WR, Geronimo hasn't taken the next step, Davis just seems like a sprinter and not a WR, Cobb is a slot guy and doesn't really open the field, Jordy is solid, Janis! is a STer only, Clark has potential but is raw. Adams is the only stud, but he's not a burner. A second top-notch guy would help open things up.
An inside LB who could run and hit would be a dream.
That ILB would be a guy named Roquan. He may fall to the Packers pick at 14. I'd be happy with that pick. The guy can play football.
Burnett would be a good investment, even at 11 mil, if he can go to a SS role next to a ballhawking FS. Heās an instinctive player with great coverage skill, could be an all-pro in a Kam Chancellor type role. If they want to make him anything but that then heās not worth the coin. The choice should either be him OR Dix, not both. They both play the same position, having two SS on the field has been an issue for this D. Burnett never really got to play next to Collins, if he had I think they could have have been among the best Safety tandems in the league.
