Henry posted:I'll leave the machismo to my Florida compatriots.
"Machismo" better be on the business end of a leaf blower in my neighborhood.
1 thing I guarantee in 2018. Teams won't know what we're doing on defense by the way we line up.
Thanks Dom!
Pettine's defense will have Macheesemo.
Yeah, I did that ****.
Packdog posted:FLPACKER posted:Packers this past season : 37 sacksAmazing what a misleading stat this is. Maybe it's beacause they needed to blitz to get pressure and the secondary was embarrassing, but compare them to Philly this past season : 38 sacks. The Eagles applied constant pressure with thier front and were like wild banshees in harassing the QB.....Packers, not so much. Sack stats be damned.
Can't wait to see what Pettine can do.
Sacks are fun to watch and end up in a negative yardage play, but just getting the QB off his spot with pressure and making his day uncomfortable will have a great effect in the overall pass D.
Decent tight man coverage (less zone!) and pass rushers at the QB's feet does wonders. Good QB's can overcome this, but the way to counter that is to disguise the coverage and run some combo man-zone concepts. Make the good QB's think just for a fraction more time to throw him off.
The Eagles used their cornucopia of d-line depth to constantly get fresh legs in there to keep the harassment up. Probably see teams run more no-huddle against them this year to keep that depth on the sidelines.
1 thing I guarantee in 2018. Teams won't know what we're doing on defense by the way we line up.
As opposed to previous years, when the Packers didn't know what the defense was doing by the way Capers lined them up.
I like our first group of DL, but I fear that we fall off pretty quickly. So, I could see the DL doing a great job at the start but pressure may fall off when guys get tired. Philly was great because they had a great rotation. We need Adams to step up, as well as other guys like Lowry, etc., to spell the top guys.
packerboi posted:This defense needs some nasty.
I'm not saying Vontaze Burfict or Suh cheap shot bullsh** nasty. But there has to be a streak of mean to this defense. Maybe that's an emerging Clark? Wilkerson? Daniels? or a couple of fresh rookies? But something needs to change with the attitude of the defense.
I'll find a medium to get out the tarot cards and bring back the spirit of Wayne Simmons. (the football player...not the prom date one) 
SanDiegoPackFan posted:packerboi posted:This defense needs some nasty.
I'm not saying Vontaze Burfict or Suh cheap shot bullsh** nasty. But there has to be a streak of mean to this defense. Maybe that's an emerging Clark? Wilkerson? Daniels? or a couple of fresh rookies? But something needs to change with the attitude of the defense.
I'll find a medium to get out the tarot cards and bring back the spirit of Wayne Simmons. (the football player...not the prom date one)
I totally and completly agree this D needs that nasty edge and has needed it for years. Like packerboi said not a dirty defense like Burfict but have a defense that other teams fear. I am hoping that Pettine brings that edge to this team.
I don't care if they have high tea with the other team as long as they keep the scoring down.
Or Hi-C and a fruit roll up.
Henry posted:Or Hi-C and a fruit roll up.
With a participation trophy!
Henry posted:Or Hi-C and a fruit roll up.
I'll settle for Radar O'Reilly's grape Nehi!
DH13 posted:I don't care if they have high tea with the other team as long as they keep the scoring down.
My buddy's advice to his daughter moving into a sorority house.
I'll settle for Radar O'Reilly's grape Nehi!
Not Orange Fanta?
Sarsaparilla
Black Cherry Wishniak
Packdog posted:FLPACKER posted:Packers this past season : 37 sacksAmazing what a misleading stat this is. Maybe it's beacause they needed to blitz to get pressure and the secondary was embarrassing, but compare them to Philly this past season : 38 sacks. The Eagles applied constant pressure with thier front and were like wild banshees in harassing the QB.....Packers, not so much. Sack stats be damned.
Can't wait to see what Pettine can do.
How many times did the Packers give up 3rd downs after a stuff or a sack? Far too often in my memory.
Yes, not much more that's as aggravating as giving up 3rd and 10+ yards, especially the 3rd and 15+ conversions. 
Mike McCarthy admits Damarious Randall was playing out of position https://t.co/pM9EIAmvIO
— The Packers Wire (@ThePackersWire) March 27, 2018
Attempting to fit a square peg into a round hole was a favorite of TT, often with less than stellar results. Hopefully we'll see much less of it in the future.
There were times when Mike and I were together, we literally had no NFL corner, and yet we found a way to make it work… If you love the game, then these guys died and went to heaven in this system.
— Rex Ryan
TT getting talented players really shouldn't have been the issue.
If Pettine really improves the defense this year how does that reflect on GOC?
So if Glutes and MM finally see DR as a S...they let him go and let 42 go. That's a lot of high round S personnel to eject. Are they that sold on JJ @ S?
Well, well, well. MM admits a mistake on a player's position. Perhaps it was Compers' fault. If Randall changes to FS and becomes an all-pro, MM'll take the heat. But even if he switched positions, Randall's attitude was going to hold him back in GB.
I think his statement is an example of why Murphy made the changes he made. Think about this: 2 years ago TT gave him 6 Safeties (Haha, Burnett, Evans, Brice, Randall, and Rollins) and 4 CBs (Shields, Hyde, Gunter, and Goodson) and they had to field a D with that group that spent the majority of it's time in Nickel and Dime. Mike's right, Randall HAD to play CB, same with Rollins.
Doesn't explain why they created a new hole at S when they already had a big one at CB. DR's tude was that toxic?
Yes
Fandame posted:Well, well, well. MM admits a mistake on a player's position. Perhaps it was Compers' fault. If Randall changes to FS and becomes an all-pro, MM'll take the heat. But even if he switched positions, Randall's attitude was going to hold him back in GB.
The attitude thing seems to be a foregone conclusion at this point.
If a 3rd DB goes onto success in another scheme and Pettine instantly buoys this defense with existing players, including the hole left by Burnett and Randall leaving . . . .
Getting pretty Shermany around 1265 Lombardi.
I don't think they have a hole at Safety. I think they're ditching tweeners and installing true Safeties and Corners.
DR would have competed with Haha for the FS job (and lost), so rather than lose him next offseason they salvaged some value and got a QB prospect. They essentially got Kizer and a late 4th round pick for Randall (based on the trade value chart). Not sure what value Kizer has, but that 4th round value is more than the compensatory pick they would receive for Randall in 2020.
Reasonable point about ditching the tweener stuff. The whole Randall situation seems to be a conglomeration of bad fit, bad attitude and bad coaching.
Henry posted:(Pettine’s system) will make good players great. If you’re an average player, you’ll be good. There were times when Mike and I were together, we literally had no NFL corner, and yet we found a way to make it work… If you love the game, then these guys died and went to heaven in this system. — Rex Ryan
I'm very interested in this concept. Essentially though coaching and scheme, he is saying that players can actually elevate their games? Does the competition committee know this? Are we sure this isn't against the rules? Does he walk around behind the players like it is pop warner?
To be honest, from what I saw of Randall in zone coverage and open field tackling, I wouldn't want him to play safety for the Packers. The only thing I saw somewhat positive was for him to run man to man with some receivers, but he had no sense to turn and look for the ball.
Yes, he had those flaws, but he might have stuck as a backup S and on STs. I don't think Randall will magically be a great safety even with the team/position change (at least I hope not), but if his attitude is better at safety then he will be a better player for Cleve than he was for GB.
After reviewing thread I am relieved to have not read anything about Mexico, Military, or Minnesota paying for or building this defenCe.
Party on.
Fandame posted:Yes, he had those flaws, but he might have stuck as a backup S and on STs. I don't think Randall will magically be a great safety even with the team/position change (at least I hope not), but if his attitude is better at safety then he will be a better player for Cleve than he was for GB.
For the life of me I can't see a player who doesn't like to tackle and shies away from contact playing either safety position.** And it's not like Randall is even close to being a shutdown corner or pass defender. He makes some splash plays because he has straight line speed and can catch the ball. I would be astounded if he turns out to be a good safety although I could see him being a lesser version of the Matador™.
** Better get your **** together, HHCD.
I am so close to being in the @Brak camp on that young man.
What's maddening to me is that TT spent a 1st round pick and a 2nd in drafting Randall and Rollins, then playing them out of position. It's one thing to take a flier on a 4th or 5th rounder and hope to convert him from safety to corner. An entirely different story when your whiffing on high draft picks when the experiment blows up in your face.
Going back further, guys like Datone Jones looked miscast from the start as well. You could almost argue the same with Nick Perry (sans one good season). These were 4-3 ends playing in a 3-4 out of their natural element.
What I wonder is if guys like Elliot Wolf, Gute, Highsmith etc tried talking Ted out of these picks? Or did they just stay silent knowing he was probably going to make the pick regardless of the objection?
RatPack posted:After reviewing thread I am relieved to have not read anything about Mexico, Military, or Minnesota paying for or building this defenCe.
Party on.
A Bears fan, a Vikings Fan, and a Packers fan are out walking together one day. They come across a lantern and a Genie pops out of it. "I will give you each one wish, that's three wishes total," says the Genie
The Bears fan says, "I am a farmer, my dad was a farmer, and my son will also farm. I want the land to be forever fertile in Illinois. "With a blink of the Genie's eye, 'FOOM' the land in Illinois was forever made fertile for farming.
The Viking fan was amazed, so he said, "I want a wall around Minnesota, so that no infidels, Bears Fans or Packer Fans can come into our precious state." Again, with a blink of the Genie's eye, 'POOF' there was a huge wall around Minnesota.
The Packer fan asks, "I'm very curious. Please tell me more about this wall." The Genie explains, "Well, it's about 150 feet high, 50 feet thick and completely surrounds the state; nothing can get in or out." The Packer fan says, "Fill it up with water."
Henry posted:You don't understand dripping sarcasm and repressed rage (among other things) of the optimistic nihilist very well. I'll leave the machismo to my Florida compatriots.
Panhandle 'Cho > Monongahela 'Cho.
Err'day.
packerboi posted:What's maddening to me is that TT spent a 1st round pick and a 2nd in drafting Randall and Rollins, then playing them out of position. It's one thing to take a flier on a 4th or 5th rounder and hope to convert him from safety to corner. An entirely different story when your whiffing on high draft picks when the experiment blows up in your face.
Going back further, guys like Datone Jones looked miscast from the start as well. You could almost argue the same with Nick Perry (sans one good season). These were 4-3 ends playing in a 3-4 out of their natural element.
What I wonder is if guys like Elliot Wolf, Gute, Highsmith etc tried talking Ted out of these picks? Or did they just stay silent knowing he was probably going to make the pick regardless of the objection?
So much this...
Why waste a high pick on a guy that has never rushed the passer without his hand in the dirt, and hope he can be a stand up OLB? Or move a S to CB?
On occasion you get a rarified athlete like C-Wood who can excel at just about any position you put him at.
I think the older TT got, the less jeenyus he became with some of these moves. Hopefully, Gutie is as smert as we hope.
Chongo posted:packerboi posted:What's maddening to me is that TT spent a 1st round pick and a 2nd in drafting Randall and Rollins, then playing them out of position. It's one thing to take a flier on a 4th or 5th rounder and hope to convert him from safety to corner. An entirely different story when your whiffing on high draft picks when the experiment blows up in your face.
Going back further, guys like Datone Jones looked miscast from the start as well. You could almost argue the same with Nick Perry (sans one good season). These were 4-3 ends playing in a 3-4 out of their natural element.
What I wonder is if guys like Elliot Wolf, Gute, Highsmith etc tried talking Ted out of these picks? Or did they just stay silent knowing he was probably going to make the pick regardless of the objection?
So much this...
Why waste a high pick on a guy that has never rushed the passer without his hand in the dirt, and hope he can be a stand up OLB? Or move a S to CB?
On occasion you get a rarified athlete like C-Wood who can excel at just about any position you put him at.
Clay Matthews III barely played until his senior year at USC and when he did, his hand was in the dirt. He is in that rarefied category to me, though. Imagine if he hadn't have had so many hammy injuries. He'd be in three digits in sacks and rising.
Euchreing BB out of that pick to get 52 may still be my all-time favorite Ted move other than Rodgers (natch) and his press availabilities.
That is the problem with guys who gain so much muscle over a short period of time....what they have to do to accomplish that leaves them susceptible to recurring muscle pulls.
packerboi posted:What's maddening to me is that TT spent a 1st round pick and a 2nd in drafting Randall and Rollins, then playing them out of position. It's one thing to take a flier on a 4th or 5th rounder and hope to convert him from safety to corner. An entirely different story when your whiffing on high draft picks when the experiment blows up in your face.
Going back further, guys like Datone Jones looked miscast from the start as well. You could almost argue the same with Nick Perry (sans one good season). These were 4-3 ends playing in a 3-4 out of their natural element.
What I wonder is if guys like Elliot Wolf, Gute, Highsmith etc tried talking Ted out of these picks? Or did they just stay silent knowing he was probably going to make the pick regardless of the objection?
I wonder if TT made the picks and then told the coaches where to play them? Or did the the coaches tell TT they could make those players into what they needed and then TT drafted them from the D coaches' input?
