We'll never know, Fandame. I don't think TT is going to be writing a memoir anytime soon.
I'd buy it if he did, though.
Would be interesting to know the dynamic of how the input of scouts, GM, coaches, etc....is used to acquire talent. As for the current roster build, gotta believe Pettine is giving his input as to the type of players he wants to fit his scheme. "Meh, let Burnett walk " 
FLPACKER posted:That is the problem with guys who gain so much muscle over a short period of time....what they have to do to accomplish that leaves them susceptible to recurring muscle pulls.
I'm 61, will my muscle pulls ever stop? 
ammo posted:FLPACKER posted:That is the problem with guys who gain so much muscle over a short period of time....what they have to do to accomplish that leaves them susceptible to recurring muscle pulls.
I'm 61, will my muscle pulls ever stop?
Holy fukk!
Fandame posted:packerboi posted:What's maddening to me is that TT spent a 1st round pick and a 2nd in drafting Randall and Rollins, then playing them out of position. It's one thing to take a flier on a 4th or 5th rounder and hope to convert him from safety to corner. An entirely different story when your whiffing on high draft picks when the experiment blows up in your face.
I wonder if TT made the picks and then told the coaches where to play them? Or did the the coaches tell TT they could make those players into what they needed and then TT drafted them from the D coaches' input?
My guess it is neither. Which is why we now have Muprhy's Communication Plan.
Thompson never appeared to interfere or interject his opinion on the coaches and how they determined the fate of the players - depth chart, playing time, etc... And, he is the one who made the statement "This is not a democracy, at some point I make the call", or something like that, with regard to player acquisition.
This is the kind of **** that drives me crazy. Seriously, how can GOC be considered a viable HC when he couldn't see how ****ed up the defense was under Capers? It's pretty clear how defensive talent was completely squandered to the point of flat out wrecking the player. They were already starting the process with Jones. What a ****ing waste of time. This is the kind of stuff that makes it abundantly clear GOC needs to hit the bricks after being completely outed last year.
Rather than training Jones at both safety and inside linebacker, the Packers plan to use him only at safety in the coming months.
âI think heâs another one of those guys that has the ability to be an impact player,â McCarthy said. âWe probably tried to do a little bit too much with him last year, you know?
I seriously can't get past this. How much better would TT's drafts stand up to scrutiny if there was a ****ing coach who could actually coach and utilize all the defensive picks over the years?
Don't worry! Winston Moss still has a god damn job.
Excellent
I am little behind what does GOC stand for?
I never got over the whole Kaepernick debacle. How MM could ever trust Capers' ability after seeing him so utterly unprepared for that game is beyond me.
So how is McCarthy somehow immune from criticism?
What's up with that, Henry?
The Heckler posted:I am little behind what does GOC stand for?
Glorified Offensive Coordinator = McCarthy
phaedrus posted:So how is McCarthy somehow immune from criticism?
What's up with that, Henry?
Do you want a do over?
Aaron Rodgers is that good.
We saw the roster and QB Guru/Offensive genius without him. Not pretty.
All is not lost. Gute, Pettine, Philbin, etc....can patch and re-build. We are not that far away. Gotta hit in the draft. #12picks
Henry posted:The Heckler posted:I am little behind what does GOC stand for?
Glorified Offensive Coordinator = McCarthy
Got it!
FLPACKER posted:I never got over the whole Kaepernick debacle. How MM could ever trust Capers' ability after seeing him so utterly unprepared for that game is beyond me.
This
YATittle posted:FLPACKER posted:I never got over the whole Kaepernick debacle. How MM could ever trust Capers' ability after seeing him so utterly unprepared for that game is beyond me.
This
Absolutely true. Capers' defense that day was totally and completely unprepared in every way. There was no sense of urgency, they looked totally lost, and looked like they were running in cement. I get it that MM probably was thinking that it was a bad game by the defense. But, what baffles me is that Capers still had a job for what 5 or 6 more years after that game?
From a coaching standpoint you want to make sure that your players are prepared for anything the opponent does. That is why you practice, to prepare for the game. MM had to know that the defense was totally unprepared for the option game as the game unfolded....the players pretty much confirmed this afterwards saying that they barely practiced vs. the option. Many argued that Capers should get a pass, since the option was a college offense at the time. However, with the coach's job is to anticipate every scenario and have his players prepared for it. In addition, he had Eric Walden "spying" Kap on pass plays, a total mismatch in the open field.
Good news is that Eric Walden and Brad Jones created the perfect tape on "how not to defend the Read-Option"- By Ernest D. Capers
Absolutely true. Capers' defense that day was totally and completely unprepared in every way.
Stacking failure, to use McCarthy's coach-speak.
I'm behind Jones' move to safety. I can see him being a leader in the future after he has a couple more years of experience.
That CK game...it wasn't that SF hadn't shown the look before on O. They showed some of it with success earlier in the regular season when CK came in for Smith. If they had never shown it before, I would almost give DC a pass because pretty much every team who saw it for the first time had problems defending it until they had time to study the new tape and design a plan to stop it. And everybody eventually did which is why you only see it sporadically these days.
If you want to claim a good DC needs to adjust better in-game to any surprises, then yeah. They usually didn't do that very well.
As Bob Knight always preached "anticipate , don't react" . You anticipate what they may do & develop a plan to stop it. If that plan does not work, you make adjustments & go to plan "B". You have no chance if you never anticipated what they actually do, and thus never had a plan to stop it.....especially if your players have never seen it. If it is something they saw earlier in the season, then, although not optimal, you can say "remember when we saw this vs. ______ & we did this"? When the team has never seen it, you must prepare for it to have a chance.
Fandame posted:I'm behind Jones' move to safety.
Dix and Jones will break some bones?
Apologies to Kiel, thread title meister.
You may have penned a new catch phrase. Of course they need to be worthy of it.
Please not Jerel Worthy....
DL be shouting We're Not Jerel Worthy!
I think one thing is clear, Winston Moss is not the problem. He's the solution. He'll be bustin' out those super secret asst. HC super powers at any time now.
Interesting they singled out Dix in the article. Dix also has that big blow up with the normally reserved Julius Peppers in his rookie year. We keep hearing about what a great communicator Burnett was on the D, but it was the secondary that seemingly had the most communication issues. To be fair to him he was out for a period of time though. It will be telling who the problem is based on who continues to make mental mistakes despite the coaching change.
Blake Martinez taking a leadership role as a signal caller is going to help, I think. Seems like the right guy for the job.
I get the angst for McCarthy... it would seem he has received a similar message from his bosses in that heâs stripping everything down and rebuilding. Having Philbin helps as well. It would appear he knows his job is on the line. When the Packers make Rodgers the richest player in NFL history, theyâre certainly not going to put up with lost seasons. Win now, or this thing is a train wreck.
Josh Jones singled out in the piece as well, although as a rookie he deserves a lot more slack than HHCD gets. Piece is just further confirmation as to the horrible blunder MM made by sticking with Capers for so long.
I think that Randall drew MM's ire because he was one of the main offenders for making mental mistakes but never seemed to understand that ....the problem was always someone else.
Henry posted:I think one thing is clear, Winston Moss is not the problem. He's the solution. He'll be bustin' out those super secret asst. HC super powers at any time now.
Iâm convinced Moss still has a job for one reason.
Got to have someone to fire.
Randall should have looked in the mirror when talking about accountability. The article makes me wonder if Burnett was the problem in not making good in-play adjustments or if some guys just didnât listen/care. Either way, it should have stopped at COmpersâ desk. Iâm ok with Martinez getting a shot at communicator. At least he seemed to know how to attack a play or see what was coming since he tied for most tackles in the league. And I like his approachâlearning all 11 positions.
I really like how Martinez plays.....heâs always around the ball. Hustle, hustle, hustle, love how heâs fast on the field ready to play, and gets off in a hurry too. I like him. Is this his 3rd or 4th year with Pack??
If I'm not Mistaken Martinez graduated from Stanford. He's got that going for him. If nothing else he should have the Intellect for the job.
So, smarter than Rodgers?
Fedya posted:So, smarter than Rodgers?
Letâs check the tape......er, the wonderlic test eh? and nope my boyfriend is smarter via wonderlic....Aaron 35 Blake 27
Randall did have a legit gripe about accountability though. He seemingly got benched a couple times while Dix was missing easy tackles and blowing coverages, same for Jones and others. If he was pissed that he was being held accountable while others werenât, he has a point. Publicly airing his grievances is not the way to handle that though and ultimately itâs likely why he was shipped off at a discount. Pettine probably didnât want to deal with that crap.
Sounds like Randall had bad coaching
Grave Digger posted:Randall ......itâs likely why he was shipped off at a discount.
You call getting the #1 overall pick in the 4th & 5th rounds plus a 22 year old QB, "a discount"??
Don't know how much more you were expecting.
Grave Digger posted:Randall did have a legit gripe about accountability though.
1 more thing....**** him!!
His job is to play football not worry about who the coaches are holding accountable.
Just like MM said, "He needs to keep his own house clean."
F**K him!