https://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2...-explanation-history
Former Dallas Cowboys and Miami Dolphins head coach Jimmy Johnson is credited with creating the chart early in his time with the Cowboys, taking older versions of trade value charts and modifying them to build one that has stood the test of time for more than two decades as the most accurate reflection of draft values.
OK, I guess the Browns owe us a third round pick then
I was not implying you were wrong EKB. Personally, I really don't give a **** about the trade value chart and think Jimmy is a dick. The Packers traded a guy they didn't think fit, got a backup QB prospect and moved up in the 4th and fifth round.
And got rid of Capers.
Thunderbird posted:"He's a better option than Hundley."
Oh man, I hope so. Certainly can't be worse, can he?
I thought Hundley was going to be alright judging by preseason play, but his time in the regular season had me cursing at the TV
My grandma is better than Hundley and sheâs been dead for 35 years.
She'd still be alive if she could have learned to pick-up blitz's.
Sorry.
Too soon?
Did she chew gum?
Asking as part of a draft analysis.
OK, Huntley pwned her in gum chewing.
Blair Kiel posted:Sorry.
Too soon?
Clearly still mourning.
Per the eye chart, the Packers significantly improved draft position in two rounds, and improved the QB position without weakening the CB position.
Music City posted:Grave Digger posted:I donât think Iâve indicated that at all. He was a first round pick, we traded him for less than 1st round value. No matter which way you shake it we took a loss on him, which sucks, but Iâm sure itâs an addition by subtraction.
A second round rookie QB with starting experience + increases in value in 4th and 5th for a late first rounder is even or advantage Green Bay. Not sure what youâre arguing.
...add in that Randall is in the last year of his rookie deal and it's clearly advantage GB. We get a cost controlled backup QB for the next couple seasons. I know this isn't baseball, but cost controll needs to be part of the equation when evaluating this stuff these days.
Moneyball works in football too
Given that most think the main concern at defense is secondary to me among the most critical matters is the status of Kevin King. I did not realize the Packers already think his shoulder will be fine longterm. We're talking a press corner at 6'3" and 200 lbs.
From:
https://packerswire.usatoday.c...-with-cb-kevin-king/
According to a Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel report by Michael Cohen, the Green Bay Packers are not concerned with rookie cornerback Kevin Kingâs shoulder injury long-term.
Packers general manager Brian Gutekunst said that while he never likes to see young players go through injury issues, he doesnât believe this is something that will plague Kingâs career.
âI wouldnât think so,â Packers general manager Brian Gutekunst said Thursday, according to Cohen. âIt sounds like everything is going good. You never like to see that with young players, but yeah, I donât think so.â
Also, Packers CB Kevin King picked as a top breakout candidate in 2018.
https://packerswire.usatoday.c...t-candidate-in-2018/
Of course this is huge.
Caught up w/Mo Wilkerson before he reports to Green Bay Mon. Looking lean and mean. Packers fans should be excited: https://t.co/0avX13P01h
â Jason La Canfora (@JasonLaCanfora) April 13, 2018
A bit from the piece:
"This is all new to me, but just going to Green Bay and visiting, I just felt like that was the place for me to have a new start," Wilkerson said. "There's a lot of great tradition there and a lot of great players came through that organization and hopefully I can be a part of something great there and good things can definitely happen for me and the rest of the team there.
"Just when I walked in the facility, just looking at everything, the trophies and everything on the wall - the energy and the vibe - it was like, 'I've got to be here; this is the place to be.' And going to the field just walking out of the tunnel and just being able to play there for eight home games and the playoffs, I know the atmosphere will be great. I got chills just walking out of the tunnel and the stadium was empty and I'm just picturing my first home game and I know it will be great, man."
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I expect we'll end up signing him long term after he kills it this season
I dont know if we will be signing him again. I think (of course) it depends on his play this year. I also think that it depends on who we draft in the first round. If its an edge rusher who plays well then Mo might end up being too expensive to resign. If edge rushing remains an issue when he is not on the field then if he has played well then we resign him.
On the other hand, if improvements on the back end of the defense allows for the rush to get home then its a win/win for the team and even if he is simply an improvement then he may get resigned.
Edit: After writing this, I hope I made sense.
I don't know how anyone thinks resigning House means we more likely go edge rusher at 14. Did anyone watch him play last year?
House was not good in 2017.
House and Tramon hopefully making up an acceptable whole CB in spot duty. I cannot imagine another CB not being brought in via draft or FA.
Only give House a 50-50 shot of making the final cut based on what he did last year.
100% agree. House was not great and that's when he actually got on the field which wasn't much. I expect more from Tramon based on his recent resurgence. But I also expect a high CB next week. Not Geronimo high though.
This guy in the second round:
I think that MP's rebuild will improve the defense but its just a guess. If he does, then players like House and Mo look better.
Frankly, he cannot be worse than Dom and the players just might begin to look much better as a result.
YATittle posted:This guy in the second round:
THIS GUY has him to the Steelers in the 7th
Not laughing at you YA - Just how much the draft is such a crap shoot & most of these "pundits" all suck
I agree. Look At Bakhtiari lasting to the fourth round and in a redo of the draft he was the first pick overall.
Goalline posted:Thunderbird posted:"He's a better option than Hundley."
Oh man, I hope so. Certainly can't be worse, can he?
I thought Hundley was going to be alright judging by preseason play, but his time in the regular season had me cursing at the TV
My grandma is better than Hundley and sheâs been dead for 35 years.
Blair Kiel posted:She'd still be alive if she could have learned to pick-up blitz's.
Blair Kiel posted:Sorry.
Too soon?
My condolences Goalline.
If she were around she might say "Blitz? Blitz?!, I thought you said BLATZ - I was wondering what beer had to do with football. That is why after every game I went right out and pick some up."
Maybe Hundley needs a hearing aid.
(PS - no offense intended)
Your post became offensive when you typed the word "BLATZ" 
I think the pick reinforces what Pettine insinuated in his opening presser.....he values coverage over pass rush. He never had great pass rushers with the Jets but managed to field top 10 defenses. If WR's are open off the LOS, it doesn't matter who you have rushing the passer, they are never going to get home.
Pettine usually creates pressure with blitzes, which relies on his CB's playing a lot of man.
If Perry and Matthews could actually stay healthy, pass rush wouldn't be a overwhelming need. They obviously still need depth an quality young guys on their way up but it's crazy that pass rush is such an issue. Both Matthews and Perry are at minimum above average players.
I guess you can chicken and egg it quite a bit. My guess is Pettine may see Wilkerson as a cure to what ails ya as much as a shiny new CB.
Would feel better about Matthews and Perry if the rotation behind them was more promising. They both have obviously had trouble staying healthy, would be nice if Biegel, Fackrell, or Reggie Gilbert step up their game. They are unknowns at this point.
A few rush possibilities still left in the draft : Lorenzo Carter, Landry, Hubbard, Nowozu, etc....
It's getting close to the time to go slob hunting. Things were already thin up front before Bulaga decided he wasn't interested in a pay cut. I'm a huge Will Hernandez fan today and can't honestly believe he's still available.
Henry posted:If Perry and Matthews could actually stay healthy, pass rush wouldn't be a overwhelming need. They obviously still need depth an quality young guys on their way up but it's crazy that pass rush is such an issue. Both Matthews and Perry are at minimum above average players.
I guess you can chicken and egg it quite a bit. My guess is Pettine may see Wilkerson as a cure to what ails ya as much as a shiny new CB.
If I had a 10 inch penis...
.....you wouldnât be on a Packers message board!
...I'd still be laughing at you for having a tiny member.
Fedya posted:...I'd still be laughing at you for having a tiny member.
What is it with lovers of beastiality and large penises?
I found the reference to players needing big hands to play in cold weather hurtful last night.
Goalline posted:Fedya posted:...I'd still be laughing at you for having a tiny member.
What is it with lovers of beastiality and large penises?
You tell us, since you apparently love both.
