He's got some new toys in the toolbox.
Why would you keep toys in a tool box? That would be like keeping tools in a toy box.
Especially if they are Dangerous Toys...
It was nice not having the vikings suck thread at the top, then this thread derailed.
Tramon Williams on the shift from Dom to Pettine.
Needed to be done a couple years ago.
But we move Onward
Speaking of Dangerous Toys....This is me when we hired Pettine
One thing noted in this article is how its possible for interceptions to increase under our new DC. https://www.totalpackers.com/2...ptions-soar-in-2018/
Under Dom they had been decreasing.
Under Dom, a whole lot was decreasing.
Possibly even his hairline.
I am excited to see what our new-ish defense can do.
Points per game, total yards, 3rd down conversion percentage.....
Lets settle down with the “everything was decreasing” narrative regarding Dom. It’s simply inaccurate.
ok,I guess it was hyperbole 
(except maybe the hair part)
ChilliJon posted:Points per game, total yards, 3rd down conversion percentage.....
Lets settle down with the “everything was decreasing” narrative regarding Dom. It’s simply inaccurate.
I what you did there
I’d like to think you liked what I did there. Or see/seen/saw what I did there.
But I’m going to wait for Nutsack to confirm Dom is no longer in Green Bay. He seems pretty connected into NFL happenings.
Didnt like the article. Didn't even mention Clark on the D-Line. Clark is better than Bob Nelson in Tecmo Bowl
Clark / Wilkerson / Daniels
Perry / Clay / Burks? (Maybe?)
Jaire / J-Jack / King / Ha-Ha / Jones
How's that defense sound on paper?
Oh yeah....missing anyone? Like Tramon?
There is talent on this defense. Now they just need to be placed in the proper spots to succeed.
I don’t think it’ll take too long to see how mismanaged the talent on this team was come opening kick...
To me it's more about communication. When a CB hands off a WR to a safety he better damn well know what his coverage responsibilities are. I am so tired of seeing WR running free and open down the middle of the field.
Hopefully guys like Burks (4.59) & Josh Jones can help cover the middle now
Brainwashed Boris posted:Didnt like the article. Didn't even mention Clark on the D-Line. Clark is better than Bob Nelson in Tecmo Bowl
Clark / Wilkerson / Daniels
Perry / Clay / Burks? (Maybe?)
Jaire / J-Jack / King / Ha-Ha / Jones
How's that defense sound on paper?
Oh yeah....missing anyone? Like Tramon?
There is talent on this defense. Now they just need to be placed in the proper spots to succeed.
You forgot Martinez
I imagine Tramon/House will be getting more snaps up front while the young ones get phased in (especially Jackson, who will probably need a few weeks to get his feet wet).
Music City posted:I don’t think it’ll take too long to see how mismanaged the talent on this team was come opening kick...
And to me, this will be the biggest indictment of Ted Thompson. Blame Capers, but he ran his defense. Outdated, predictable, whatever. The organization should have realized several years ago it was time for a change. And if MM refused to can Capers, then he needed to go too. And that’s why, IMO, it falls in the lap off Thompson (like the AR pick 
. Thompson’s refusal to change DC may have ultimately wasted some of the best years of Rodgers.
Thompson WAS a great GM at one point. But then again, Capers WAS a great DC at one point, too.
MM controls the coaching staff. If anything TT is going to be vindicated on some of those picks. Just not Spriggs.
Understandably a change in approach was needed. Let's hope MM doesn't **** it up. He needed to hit the bricks as well.
Hank - MM controls the coaching staff. But TT controls the HC. And if Capers was as bad for as long as most on this board, including you, say....then shame on Ted for keeping Mike. I’m not criticizing TTs drafts. I’m criticizing him for keeping a void at MLB for so long and for not forcing MM’s hand on the DC.
It will be a bit of a travesty if the Packers have 1 SB with ARodgers on the roster.
The more it shakes out the more I'm understanding Murphy's move to centralize operations. It was pretty clear that TT and MM operated as a partnership and TT didn't interfere on the coaching side. That was TT's mistake.
With that said, MM's control of the coaching staff and overlooking the biggest issue for this team over the past 7 years is just a joke. Yes, TT should've put a boot in someone's ass but MM made the decisions. It was laughable that MM would keep shuffling offensive assistants while the defensive coaching staff just sat there and continued to fail year after year. What's even more laughable is all those offensive coaching changes probably meant jack squat since Rodgers was making careers for all those clowns including MM.
So while TT certainly shoulders the blame for not cracking the whip, all of those horse **** decisions belong to MM. That's a fact. TT is a nice guy and he set up a pretty positive culture but it ended up being abused by idiotic decision making and lack of accountability. The game started to pass TT and the entire coaching staff.
In the end, TT put enough talent on the field to at least provide some kind of compliment to Rodgers. He had some **** picks towards the end, no doubt. It's a travesty that the talent wasn't just squandered but in some cases flat out ruined.
Think about when MM handed over playing call to frickin' Clements to "focus" on defense. I don't remember a significant pickup in defense but I sure remember the clown show on offense. Defense was stagnant, offense was a bunch of clowns. What's worse, Campen was/is probably the most reliable coach on the offensive side of the ball. Cogbot, for **** sakes.
If I'm Googlymoogly I'm scrutinizing every move MM makes since Rodgers saved him again. I'm sure that's why we got the "starting from page 1" offensive scheme coming up this year.
Summary: TT was too lenient and stuck to a team building strategy that wouldn't hold up. MM made ALL of those horse**** decisions with coaching and on the field play.
That's why I have no pity for MM. The pure scale of fraud that was exposed last year is beyond anything I've seen since watching the 80's Packers. At least you knew what kind of suck was coming down the pipe.
I don’t disagree with too much with your post about MM. But I wasn’t commenting on MM’s decision making other than he held on to Capers too long. Based on your post above, TT was not only negligent is not forcing MM’s hand to replace Capers, but also negligent in keeping MM and all of his “horsesh!t decisions with coaching and field play”. And too me, that’s an even bigger indictment of TT and his ability, or lack thereof, to run football operations of the Packers.
In my opinion, TT hung on to coaches (MM) too long, just like he had a habit of hanging on to some of his draft picks too long. And both are significant faults in his decision making, and ultimately a detriment to the team.
I don't disagree, they both ****ed up. But if we were to look at the "silos" (hate that term) MM was a ****ing wreck. MM could've pulled the trigger on Capers and didn't. TT isn't absolved but when you're making the playoffs year after year you figure the guy actually running the show on the field knows what he's doing. That figment was blown out of the water last year. So TT deserves blame for being blind but MM flat out sucked in implementation on every level. TT's fault was being a nice guy. MM's fault was sucking huge donkey balls while supposedly running the whole show. A lack of judgement vs. a lack of talent.
This is the thing that bothers me the most. Pettine was hired because Gigglepants basically made it clear it was going to happen. I think that's pretty clear. So, of course, Rodgers will play frickin' lights out and make the offense look good. If the defense under Pettine tears it up you can fully credit Pettine and to a degree some of the guys TT provided. MM gets to sit in this bubble of Rodgers protection when it's pretty damn clear he's an OC at best.
I pretty much can't get over the fact MM is still there after completely ****ing up everything he was given. I mean Winston Moss is still employed. MM thinks so highly of him he's the asst. HC. For me it isn't even so much the bad decisions made by TT that facilitated the situation but the sheer incompetence of MM. You're right about TT but when it comes to full on failure, that's 100% MM.
So instead of writing novels this is the summary. Ultimately TT is to blame for lack of accountability. Where TT may take the prize for quality of failure, MM takes the prize for sheer quantity. So much so it may dwarf the quality element.
MM can make it up to us by winning another Super Bowl this season.
Dr._Bob posted:MM can make it up to us by letting Rodgers winning another Super Bowl this season with the help of Pettine running a competent defense.
Always struck me as an issue of extreme and excessive deference to Capers from MM compounded by his stubbornness. Perhaps TT could have and should have been a bit more proactive but the failure primarily rests with Pittsburgh Macho.
MM saying - "The QB room is fine!" - that still sticks with me.
Meanwhile Taysom Hill is still a Saint.
Henry & PackLandVA pretty much summed it up. It also explains why MM received a 1 year extension. He is on the hotseat this year, no doubt.
Can't change the past but GunyGooGoo can certainly do something about the future.
Onward.....
Hill not being a Packer/being a Saint is irrelevant until he wins NOS some games that matter.
With a healthy team, NFCC / Super Bowl appearance should be expected. Loss in either game with respectable and competitive showings would give McCarthy more time. With Rodgers healthy, a top tier if not spectacular receiving core, and the expected running game, they only need a defense to hold the line.
I am a big MM fan and also a big Ted fan.
Having said that I also agree with the opinions laid out in the preceding posts on this page.
MM is a great leader of men as far as these things go. He has weaknesses, yes, but that is what a staff is for.
The loyalty issue is a strong team building trait but both Ted and Mike carried it too far. It is a tough thing, to get rid of folks you've been in the foxhole with as well as kids you've selected, trained, and coached.
With Pettine, Philbin and (yes) Zook Mike now has a new set of deputies with pretty damn good track records.
Gute needs to churn the roster, add high end talent when possible, plug holes on the roster, and have open lines of communication with Mike. And be a behind-closed doors consiglieri and ass kicker when needed.
McCarthy's pucker factor should be pretty high right now. Good. Scrape off that rust, Mike, and show us what you can do.
I'm excited to see this new team in action.
ilcuqui, I just scrapped the post I had in response to the negative stuff here. Fantastic post.