2020 NFL Draft Viewing Thread.-Day 1

@RochNyFan posted:

I'm not so sure we were that close. The stars aligned in so many ways for us last year, and I didn't really think we were a 13-3 team.  The Smith brothers both exceeded expectations and had career years, Aaron Jones had a career year and he and guys like Bulaga and King defied their history and stayed healthy.  And  we caught teams like KC without their franchise players. Clearly they didn't belong on the same field as SF.  Still lots of holes to fill, and I don't like this pick, but Patrick Queen, who I thought was the sure pick, over Jordan Love IMHO would not have put us over the top.

We were that close.  We were in the NFCCG.  That's just a fact.

Another fact is that we did absolutely nothing today to get any closer to the Super Bowl.  I have no fucking idea what just happened.  Queen may not have put us over the top, but he definitely would have been a move towards improvement.

This is just garbage.

"An early investment in Love is a bet on yourself to be able to develop his overall game but his upside is worth the calculated risk."

Words to live by.  (or die)

Weird night for GB. Honestly it’s going to be a weird few months for Packer Nation. The only good news for Love is that Rodgers isn’t as folksy and charming as Favre, so I don’t think there will be any protests when he’s not re-signed in a couple years. If this shit doesn’t work out, we will be turning over our entire coaching staff, FO, and probably the President around the same time honestly. Career defining move for a our Triangle of Power (Murphy, Gute, MLF).

"Never invest in Love."

More words, really good ones.

...see a doctor and get rid of it.

For those not feeling satisfied tonight- May all your holes be filled by Saturday.

@lambeausouth posted:

Baltimore has the NFL MVP at QB. The Dolphins just drafted Tua. Ryan Tannehill had a 117 QB rating leading the Titans to the AFC Championship Game. Russell Wilson was the right there with Lamar Jackson in the MVP talk until about week 12.

Who was going to draft a QB right before Green Bay? No one. That was a complete panic move by our General Manager. If Love was the target, there wasn’t a single team ahead of Green Bay at # 30 that was going to take him.

Pats and colts wanted him working on a trade

Per PFF

https://www.pff.com/news/colle...state-qb-jordan-love

Well, we now have five years to train him up.

@NumberThree posted:

I don't give two shits about motivating Rodgers, I care about the front office giving him weapons. And what if this does motivate him? "Hey guys, I'm really motivated now, now who do you want me to throw to? Jordy? Randal? Allison? Jefferson? Higgins? Lamb? Aiyuk?" OH WAIT!

So far they've done nothing but trade away his best friends and receivers without replacing them, while ignoring a WR heavy draft to go up to draft a QB who should not see a single snap for four seasons.

This will motivate Rodgers to demand a trade and get his contract bought out by a team willing to give him everything he needs. Plenty of teams would do it in a heartbeat. Shit, even the Vikings would do it after the Cousins contract expires.

Rodgers is not the QB he once was. Sorry. Get over it. Thinking for the future isn't a terrible thing. It's coming sooner than later.

The fact that other teams were rumored to be trying to trade up to get Love doesn’t make the pick any better.  It just gives a reason why the Packers traded up.

@Troy posted:

Rodgers is not the QB he once was. Sorry. Get over it. Thinking for the future isn't a terrible thing. It's coming sooner than later.

Trading up in the first round for a project is a terrible thing.

Fucking terrible.

I'm reading that this was a "Niners are just too good" pick. Very cynical. But we were destroyed by them twice last year and they made themselves better tonight and we took a bet on the future.

@Troy posted:

Rodgers is not the QB he once was. Sorry. Get over it. Thinking for the future isn't a terrible thing. It's coming sooner than later.

You’re right, he’s not, but he just lead us to 13-3 and one game away from the Super Bowl for the third time in 5 seasons. We’re a few position players away from getting over that hump, the quarterback is not that position right now. This isn’t 4-12 2005 where Favre might retire so we may need the heir in two seasons. It’s not even remotely the same.

By continuing to trade away his receivers and friends, while refusing to fill those gaps and instead TRADE UP TO DRAFT A QB WHEN THE NEXT FEW TEAMS WERE NOT GOING TO TAKE A QB, only sends the signal that they’re ready to move on and get his contract bought out in 2 seasons for top dollar. 

@Troy posted:

Rodgers is not the QB he once was. Sorry. Get over it. Thinking for the future isn't a terrible thing. It's coming sooner than later.

Agree.
C'mon, we've had 27 years(?) with back to back HOF's.
Some people talk up Boyle, but I don't remember seeing him play. 

@vitaflo posted:

The Patriots.  There was talk they might take Love.

So maybe call the Patriots, and work out a deal with them??

If they have enough capital to move ahead of the Packers at 30, offer to draft Love at 30, take what New England was willing to give, parlay that capital into a high second rounder, and save the 4th in the process. Then we have two very early day two picks, one each for that receiver we need in this “deep draft”, and a linebacker that can tackle before a running back gets 8 yards downfield. And we don’t just burn a 4th. 

I don't see what the fuss is all about with Boyle either but whatever.  

Maybe a dumb question, but can you trade the rights to a drafted player like happens in the NBA?  

@PackLandVA posted:

Maybe a dumb question, but can you trade the rights to a drafted player like happens in the NBA?  

Eli Manning. 

A little levity for the night from NFL Memes: "The NFL draft takes way too long.  If I really wanted to watch 32 picks in three hours, I would just watch Jameis Winston play."

Some of you are only looking at what you can see.

Seattle was definitely trading out of 27 with either the Colts or the Pats. Once Packers traded up & selected Love, Seattle was stuck with their pick & had to make a selection.

Colts or Pat's were trading up. Stop looking at Seattle, Baltimore & Tennessee as the teams in front of the Packers. Put the Colts or Pat's in front. Because that's what was going to happen. 

Gutey got his guy -- I applaud that but I would've preferred Queen, McKinney instead.

Unless Love turns into Patrick Mahomes. Then we need to revisit these threads. 😆

Yeah I’m not down on Gute jumping the board to get HIS guy. That’s smart. Not sold on THIS guy though. We’ll see. Give me Greg Jennings and James Jones tomorrow, Des Bishop and Mike Daniels on Saturday and we will be fine. Sprinkle in a couple vets and I’m feeling much better. 

We were MORE devoid of talent in 2005 (shout out Taco Wallace and Samkon Gado) and we were deep in the playoffs 2 years later. Things can shift quickly. 

@RochNyFan posted:

 Patrick Queen, who I thought was the sure pick, over Jordan Love IMHO would not have put us over the top.

You're right. Patrick Queen probably doesn't "put them over the top". The fact that they aren't one player away further cements why drafting a guy that may not see the field for 3 years (and frankly was bad as a junior) is bizarre. They have a ton of holes. They did jackshit to fill any of those holes in Free Agency. So, they are forced to fill those holes in the draft. If one thinks filling holes and improving is a good thing at least... 

So, no Queen doesn't mean they are Super Bowl favorites. But Queen would have filled a gaping hole on this roster. Just like Denzel Mims. Or Josh Jones. Or Ezra Cleveland. Or Xaver Mckinney. Or Ross Blacklock. Or AJ Epenesa. Or Tee Higgins. Or, Or, Or... 

But instead of filling holes they picked the NCAA leader in Interceptions (while playing against the weakass MWC mind you) to hold a clipboard for 3-4 years.

Cool. 

@Timpranillo posted:

 

But instead of filling holes they picked the NCAA leader in Interceptions (while playing against the weakass MWC mind you) to hold a clipboard for 3-4 years.

Cool. 

If he can chomp gum and hold a clipboard.....oh wait.  We had that guy once already.

@Troy posted:

Rodgers is not the QB he once was. Sorry. Get over it. Thinking for the future isn't a terrible thing. It's coming sooner than later.

I'm sorry, but that's utter horse shit. Both points. 

Rodgers isn't the QB he used to be? Aaron Rodgers had three tight ends-older than dirt Jimmy Graham and Marcedes Lewis, and a kid in Jace Sternberger that got hurt, and missed the regular season. Then, he had one NFL caliber wide receiver in Davante Adams (and he's great, but he missed 4 games, a quarter of the season). His de facto #2 was Allen Lazard, who was on the practice squad to start the '19 season, with 1 career NFL catch to his name. He was the #2 because Marquez Valdez Scantling and Geronimo Allison were a dumpster fire at the bottom of all NFL receivers, per Pro Football Focus. MVS had a below 50% catch rate (46.4%), and Allison the second lowest YAC of all qualifying wide outs. He went from a career 13.8 YPC on his first 55 receptions to an abysmal 8.4 YPC on his 34 catches in 2019. He had no YAC-he basically caught the ball, and fell down, a la Jimmy Graham. Rodgers lost 682 yards to drops, most of all NFL QBs. The #2 passer had just over 500. Maybe, just maybe, if he had some decent players to throw to besides Adams (and, again, he missed 4 games!), his numbers would have been better? And about those numbers-4,002 yards passing, 26 TD vs 4 INT, a 6.5:1 ratio, 95.4 QB Rating, and a Pro Bowl bid....you mean his stats aren't as good as when he had Jordy Nelson, Greg Jennings and Donald Driver, three Pro Bowlers? /shock face. No! His rating was down because in red zone situations where Rodgers would have thrown before, he was handing the ball off. Aaron Jones' 19 TD (16 rushing, 3 receiving) led the NFL. Lower TD % means a lower rating. 

Mr "Not the QB he once was" had a 104.9 QB rating in the post season this year (compare that to his career 100.0 rating in the playoffs). He completed 79.5% of his passes against San Francisco, one of the best defenses in the NFL, on the road. If his last pass isn't an interception on an end-of-game desperation heave, his QB rating against that defense is 108.9. Instead it was 97.2. 

Now, I'll slow down here. Take away that interception, and in two playoff games, Rodgers composite stats against Seattle and San Francisco:

47 for 65, 72.3%, 569 yards, 4 TD, 1 INT. 112.9 QB rating. 

Pretty good for a guy that's not what he once was. With below average receivers after Adams. And, against San Francisco's #8 ranked scoring defense. 

The defense let him down in the NFC Championship Game. Again. As they always do when we lose in the playoffs. We couldn't keep a backup running back from gashing us for 220 yards. Jimmy Garoppolo threw freaking 8 passes. We knew what they were going to do, and we still couldn't stop them. So excuse me if I take exception to your ridiculous statement. Thinking about the future is fine. But sacrificing the present in doing so is colossally stupid. 

You know Rodgers is 10-8 in the playoffs as a starter, right? In his first three playoff losses, the Packers D gave up 45 (Cardinals in 2009), 37 (Giants in 2011), and 45 (Niners in 2012) points. Next game the Packers lost 20-23 to the Niners. Then came the 2014 NFC Championship Game debacle against the Seahawks, a game we led 19-7 with under 3 minutes left. Our offense and special teams blew the lead (suddenly, we couldn't stop Russell Wilson. Then there was the helmet doink on the onside kick. And the allowed 2 point conversion. And the Wilson pick where Julius Peppers told Morgan Burnett to fall down after 5 yards, instead of taking off with open field ahead of him), we tied it and sent it to OT. Seattle won the coin toss, and Rodgers never saw the ball again. In 2015, we lost 20-26 to the Cardinals. Jordy Nelson was out the entire year. Randal Cobb had one target, then missed the rest of the game hurt. Rodgers completed 24 passes-23 of them to Jared Abbrederis and Jeff Janis. Two guys that retired with a combined 30 regular season catches in their careers. Yet somehow Rodgers hit Janis with back-to-back bombs for 60 and 41 yards. We tied it, and the D blew it in overtime. Again. In 2016, the Packer D gave up 44 to the Falcons in the NFC Championship Game. This time, Rodgers played with a wide receiver, Ty Montgomery, at running back because Lacy and Starks were out for the year, and Jordy Nelson had a broken rib. And then there's this latest face plant, where the D gave up 37 to the Niners. 

45, 37, 45, 23, 28, 26, 44, 37. In 8 playoff losses, the Packers have surrendered 285 points, or 35.6 ppg. Overwhelmingly, we lost those games because our defense collapsed. Just like the NFC Championship Game against the Niners. Only, it wasn't Collin Kaepernick rushing for an NFL quarterback record 181 yards (and 263 yards passing). This time, it was that superstar Raheem Mostert gashing us for 220 yards and 4 scores. 

Rodgers has not been the problem. That we have won 10 playoff games since 2007 is a freaking miracle. Aaron Rodgers has carried this team. And when he's needed just a little help from the defense, it's fallen on its face. And now, when we have the opportunity to address the few real glaring weaknesses our team has, giving us a true chance to get back to the Super Bowl, instead of going all in, like GM Brian Gutekunst had done at the very beginning of the 2019 Free Agency period, when we spent a small fortune on Za'Darius Smith, Preston Smith, Billy Turner and Adrian Amos-now, our GM decided "let's build for the future". You don't take your pieces off the chess board when you're about to call out "checkmate". You don't turn on the tv when your wife is in bed wearing a dental floss nightie. And you don't start thinking about 3-4 years down the road when you're the second best team in the NFC, and a few players away from being legitimate contenders to bring the Lombardi Trophy home. 

Are there some good receivers and linebackers still on the board? Yes. But you don't draft a project with the #1 pick, go 13-3 and just miss playing in the Super Bowl, and then draft another project with your next #1 pick. That's just crazy. If you hit on your second and third round picks, or later-great. Draft and develop is a big part of piecing together a powerhouse team. But first round draft picks are supposed to be almost sure things. A smart GM doesn't fuck around with the best collateral the NFL gifts him at the start of the season. 

His accuracy is not near what it used to be.  If you didn't see that then you didn't watch him the last two seasons. It is now a trend. Having the best receiver in the NFL won't help accuracy much.  You would think with his accuracy declining he would be willing to take the easy short passes like Brady does. Nope, because his ego won't allow that.  

Rodgers is getting old. It happens. He was one of the best ever. His years of dominance were wasted because the defense was absolutely terrible and they didn't do anything  to improve it. Wasting his prime years is what really pisses me off. Drafting the future QB while the current QB is declining doesn't piss me off. It's a gamble, but so was Rodgers and every draft pick. 

This team did go 13-3, but it wasn't because of him. They had some good defensive games and a great running game. I also think they were a little overrated.  The Niners spanked them.  They are nowhere near the Niners. The Saints would have beaten them too. Rodgers played well at times, but very inconsistent.  His play is declining. Such is life.  

There still is a lot of draft left. Let's see what happens. It was one pick. As was said, it could be a brilliant pick or it could suck. Let's see in 4 years. In the meantime, let's not kid ourselves and think he was going to be an MVP this year because they drafted a WR in round one.

You look at the Packer's best receivers over the years. They were not drafted in the first round.  Let's see what happens today. 

@lambeausouth posted:

I'm sorry, but that's utter horse shit. Both points. 

Rodgers isn't the QB he used to be? Aaron Rodgers had three tight ends-older than dirt Jimmy Graham and Marcedes Lewis, and a kid in Jace Sternberger that got hurt, and missed the regular season. Then, he had one NFL caliber wide receiver in Davante Adams (and he's great, but he missed 4 games, a quarter of the season). His de facto #2 was Allen Lazard, who was on the practice squad to start the '19 season, with 1 career NFL catch to his name. He was the #2 because Marquez Valdez Scantling and Geronimo Allison were a dumpster fire at the bottom of all NFL receivers, per Pro Football Focus. MVS had a below 50% catch rate (46.4%), and Allison the second lowest YAC of all qualifying wide outs. He went from a career 13.8 YPC on his first 55 receptions to an abysmal 8.4 YPC on his 34 catches in 2019. He had no YAC-he basically caught the ball, and fell down, a la Jimmy Graham. Rodgers lost 682 yards to drops, most of all NFL QBs. The #2 passer had just over 500. Maybe, just maybe, if he had some decent players to throw to besides Adams (and, again, he missed 4 games!), his numbers would have been better? And about those numbers-4,002 yards passing, 26 TD vs 4 INT, a 6.5:1 ratio, 95.4 QB Rating, and a Pro Bowl bid....you mean his stats aren't as good as when he had Jordy Nelson, Greg Jennings and Donald Driver, three Pro Bowlers? /shock face. No! His rating was down because in red zone situations where Rodgers would have thrown before, he was handing the ball off. Aaron Jones' 19 TD (16 rushing, 3 receiving) led the NFL. Lower TD % means a lower rating. 

Mr "Not the QB he once was" had a 104.9 QB rating in the post season this year (compare that to his career 100.0 rating in the playoffs). He completed 79.5% of his passes against San Francisco, one of the best defenses in the NFL, on the road. If his last pass isn't an interception on an end-of-game desperation heave, his QB rating against that defense is 108.9. Instead it was 97.2. 

Now, I'll slow down here. Take away that interception, and in two playoff games, Rodgers composite stats against Seattle and San Francisco:

47 for 65, 72.3%, 569 yards, 4 TD, 1 INT. 112.9 QB rating. 

Pretty good for a guy that's not what he once was. With below average receivers after Adams. And, against San Francisco's #8 ranked scoring defense. 

The defense let him down in the NFC Championship Game. Again. As they always do when we lose in the playoffs. We couldn't keep a backup running back from gashing us for 220 yards. Jimmy Garoppolo threw freaking 8 passes. We knew what they were going to do, and we still couldn't stop them. So excuse me if I take exception to your ridiculous statement. Thinking about the future is fine. But sacrificing the present in doing so is colossally stupid. 

You know Rodgers is 10-8 in the playoffs as a starter, right? In his first three playoff losses, the Packers D gave up 45 (Cardinals in 2009), 37 (Giants in 2011), and 45 (Niners in 2012) points. Next game the Packers lost 20-23 to the Niners. Then came the 2014 NFC Championship Game debacle against the Seahawks, a game we led 19-7 with under 3 minutes left. Our offense and special teams blew the lead (suddenly, we couldn't stop Russell Wilson. Then there was the helmet doink on the onside kick. And the allowed 2 point conversion. And the Wilson pick where Julius Peppers told Morgan Burnett to fall down after 5 yards, instead of taking off with open field ahead of him), we tied it and sent it to OT. Seattle won the coin toss, and Rodgers never saw the ball again. In 2015, we lost 20-26 to the Cardinals. Jordy Nelson was out the entire year. Randal Cobb had one target, then missed the rest of the game hurt. Rodgers completed 24 passes-23 of them to Jared Abbrederis and Jeff Janis. Two guys that retired with a combined 30 regular season catches in their careers. Yet somehow Rodgers hit Janis with back-to-back bombs for 60 and 41 yards. We tied it, and the D blew it in overtime. Again. In 2016, the Packer D gave up 44 to the Falcons in the NFC Championship Game. This time, Rodgers played with a wide receiver, Ty Montgomery, at running back because Lacy and Starks were out for the year, and Jordy Nelson had a broken rib. And then there's this latest face plant, where the D gave up 37 to the Niners. 

45, 37, 45, 23, 28, 26, 44, 37. In 8 playoff losses, the Packers have surrendered 285 points, or 35.6 ppg. Overwhelmingly, we lost those games because our defense collapsed. Just like the NFC Championship Game against the Niners. Only, it wasn't Collin Kaepernick rushing for an NFL quarterback record 181 yards (and 263 yards passing). This time, it was that superstar Raheem Mostert gashing us for 220 yards and 4 scores. 

Rodgers has not been the problem. That we have won 10 playoff games since 2007 is a freaking miracle. Aaron Rodgers has carried this team. And when he's needed just a little help from the defense, it's fallen on its face. And now, when we have the opportunity to address the few real glaring weaknesses our team has, giving us a true chance to get back to the Super Bowl, instead of going all in, like GM Brian Gutekunst had done at the very beginning of the 2019 Free Agency period, when we spent a small fortune on Za'Darius Smith, Preston Smith, Billy Turner and Adrian Amos-now, our GM decided "let's build for the future". You don't take your pieces off the chess board when you're about to call out "checkmate". You don't turn on the tv when your wife is in bed wearing a dental floss nightie. And you don't start thinking about 3-4 years down the road when you're the second best team in the NFC, and a few players away from being legitimate contenders to bring the Lombardi Trophy home. 

Are there some good receivers and linebackers still on the board? Yes. But you don't draft a project with the #1 pick, go 13-3 and just miss playing in the Super Bowl, and then draft another project with your next #1 pick. That's just crazy. If you hit on your second and third round picks, or later-great. Draft and develop is a big part of piecing together a powerhouse team. But first round draft picks are supposed to be almost sure things. A smart GM doesn't fuck around with the best collateral the NFL gifts him at the start of the season. 

Christ, if this damn pandemic didn’t have me drinking enough, you just gave me a perfectly valid reason to do so. Thanks a lot. Now I need therapy on top of it and the damn therapist will have to double charge me to take care of both problems. I hate the NFL Draft. 🥃🥴

Not happy, I really wanted Queen, Gute stuck with the Ron Wolf philosophy of using FA and player development for the present and the draft for the future. Going to have to see how it plays out

Sorry for pivot off of the Love topic and apologies if this was discussed earlier but was anybody confused by ESPN and NFL Networks choice for the host and the panelists?

Why Wingo and not Eisen? Why Irvin? Seemed like they left their best talent on the bench. Personally, I would have loved Eisen along with the 'Good Morning Football' folks with a couple of draft experts sprinkled in.

@da Yooper posted:

Christ, if this damn pandemic didn’t have me drinking enough, you just gave me a perfectly valid reason to do so. Thanks a lot. Now I need therapy on top of it and the damn therapist will have to double charge me to take care of both problems. I hate the NFL Draft. 🥃🥴

Was it really necessary to quote that whole drivel? 

without an offseason program, any rookie WR they bring in was probably not going to help the offense this year anyway. . And as picky as Rodgers is with WRs, a young guy would probably have his head swimming until December.  They have to be counting on Funchess and on MVS and EQ to make big leaps this year. Get an offensive lineman and a Linebacker today.  

Best available, day 2:

https://sports.nbcsports.com/2...t-available-players/

SF isn't the only rich that got richer.  KC added Edwards Helaire who is going to be hell on wheels in that offense.

@DH13 posted:

SF isn't the only rich that got richer.  KC added Edwards Helaire who is going to be hell on wheels in that offense.

He looks like Kareem Hunt. No surprise.

@Floridarob posted:

without an offseason program, any rookie WR they bring in was probably not going to help the offense this year anyway. . And as picky as Rodgers is with WRs, a young guy would probably have his head swimming until December.  They have to be counting on Funchess and on MVS and EQ to make big leaps this year. Get an offensive lineman and a Linebacker today.  

MVS make a big step? Was he even targeted in the biggest game of the year? Allison and MVS need to be gone. Adams and Lazard are the only receivers worth keeping. Lazard may have #3 upside, but I would feel better if we have two other options better than him after ‘the. He showed some good rapport with Rodgers, but if he’s asked to be a big producer this season, the front office will have failed. Just like they did last year when we had no proven veteran #2 receiver. 

Funchess has pretty good size, no? 6’4” 225 lbs. Is it possible that they’re looking at giving him a try at tight end? I don’t know how healthy Jace is, or how far along he is with the offense. Watching is one thing. Playing another. 

It seems like Gutekunst is showing some indecision. You don’t make all those moves to improve the defense unless you feel you can make a serious run at the title. Why, then, do we take two projects? Gary is a project. Oren Burks was considered a project with a lot of physical ability. That hasn’t shown, and he’s injury prone. Now a guy that doesn’t see the field for three years. Great. Just what we needed. If the Packers wanted to draft a project QB, we really needed more than an injury prone inside linebacker. Because right now, after the first round of the draft, this Packers team is noticeably worse than the team that got spanked by the Niners. Bulaga is gone. Martinez is gone. He was a strong tackler, but lacked the athleticism to stop tight ends over the middle. Now he’s been replaced with a guy we have to pray will stay healthy and on the field. 

We just needed so much, and it wasn’t time to take a flier. We really need to hit on all our picks today. It was mentioned last night that there was a run on dbacks to close the first round. Maybe a run on receivers starts the day. Let’s do something to make Rodgers happy. 

@Floridarob posted:

without an offseason program, any rookie WR they bring in was probably not going to help the offense this year anyway. . And as picky as Rodgers is with WRs, a young guy would probably have his head swimming until December.  They have to be counting on Funchess and on MVS and EQ to make big leaps this year. Get an offensive lineman and a Linebacker today.  

The last 9 games of the regular season, and the two playoff games for MVS:

11 games, 20 targets, 6 catches 44 yards 0 TD. 

With all respect Rob, MVS has had his chances to show that he’s even a borderline starter. He’s failed miserably. And that’s another reason why I’m nervous as heck about Gutey taking a receiver outside day one. J’Mon Moore and MVS couldn’t have been more worthless if they tried. ESB is the only chance left to redeem that trio. If it’s not for Alexander, the Packer has one of the worst drafts ever. All we got from the other picks was a punter. 

I forgot that ESB should be healthy. He showed some flashes. Certainly more than The other guys. I hope he comes through.  

Now somebody is gonna start a rumor about a rift between Rodgers and the organization. 
We are going to have to deal with that driveling crap for years. 😫 

Would love to see Pittman or Hamler available at 62. Antonio Gibson or LB in round 3. Still a deep talent pool of WRs left. 

@lambeausouth posted:

The last 9 games of the regular season, and the two playoff games for MVS:

11 games, 20 targets, 6 catches 44 yards 0 TD. 

With all respect Rob, MVS has had his chances to show that he’s even a borderline starter. He’s failed miserably. And that’s another reason why I’m nervous as heck about Gutey taking a receiver outside day one. J’Mon Moore and MVS couldn’t have been more worthless if they tried. ESB is the only chance left to redeem that trio. If it’s not for Alexander, the Packer has one of the worst drafts ever. All we got from the other picks was a punter. 

I forgot that ESB should be healthy. He showed some flashes. Certainly more than The other guys. I hope he comes through.  

Last 6 games of Davante's 2nd year:

6 games, 41 targets, 18 catches, 178 yards, 1 TD

I'm not about to say MVS will ever be in the same league as Adams, but nobody was looking at those stats at the end of year 2 for Adams and thinking future 3x pro-bowler.

Adams had serious ankle issues that year as well.

MVS doesn't locate the ball and quite frankly doesn't catch it very well.  He's not even in the same universe as Adams.

Actually anyone who saw Adams play his rookie year knew he was going to be very good.  Not sure about pro bowl but clearly better than he looked in year 2 with the injury.