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@BrainDed posted:

100% agree.  My personal opinion is that his policy was sound.  Try to close borders and ramp up production / distribution of a vaccine.  The problem, per usual, was his mouth.   An absolutely horrific leader.  

As with anything "most battles are won or lost long before they are ever fought" Pretty fair article on moves made that may have weakened our ability to deal with Covid https://www.vanityfair.com/new...us-pandemic-response

At this point in time, if you don’t personally know of a close friend or family member or coworker that got really sick, ended up in the hospital, or ICU, or dead, well, you aren’t living on planet Earth in the year 2021.   So for those non believers, wake the fuck up already.

If you have a comorbidity, or multiple pre-existing high risk conditions and choose not to get vaccinated, you are really rolling the dice. Newsflash to those folks- you ain’t in the 99% category that will be “just fine.”  If you get the C19, you better update your will. And no, I don’t want you to lament after the fact “had I only known better” blah blah blah.  Piss off.  We are well over a year into this thing.  If you don’t know the dangers now you aren’t very bright.  

The fact of the matter is there’s a ton of misinformation out there including some that work in the medical field.  For a good chunk of US citizens, contracting C19 is a very serious situation.   The vaccine is proven to knock down the severity and intensity of the virus big time.  We got it as soon as we could and haven’t looked back.  

Then there are the unexplained, can’t figure it out long haulers.  Our 16 year old daughter (no preexisting conditions) got the C19 back in early November, developed some weird heart related condition(s) along with what is now classified as post COVID19 asthma.  She has to take an inhaler.   She also sees a heart specialist.  Her primary doctor is perplexed, but stated there are dozens of normally healthy teenagers that developed issues just like her.

So yeah, just keep moving along, nothing to see here folks.

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@Tschmack posted:

At this point in time, if you don’t personally know of a close friend or family member or coworker that got really sick, ended up in the hospital, or ICU, or dead, well, you aren’t living on planet Earth in the year 2021.  

Slowly raises hand.

I've known people that nave had it,  both here in AZ and family back in WI, but they didn't need hospitalization from it.

@Thunderbird posted:

Slowly raises hand.

I've known people that nave had it,  both here in AZ and family back in WI, but they didn't need hospitalization from it.

Of course, people can survive it. People can survive polio, measles, smallpox, etc. but the risks of significant health problems longterm is exponentially more than any risk of being vaccinated for them. That's why in the cases of polio and smallpox, public health officials spent decades basically eradicating them. Smallpox no longer exists in nature and polio is getting close (although vaccine misinformation is making it difficult to finish that job in the middle east and Africa). 99% or more of people who contracted poliovirus were asymptomatic, yet we've virtually eliminated it in the Western world because we used to trust science and medical progress.

I look at getting vaccinated for COVID as these two scenarios.

1.  I can take a vaccine that hundreds of millions of other people have taken and I might feel under the weather for a day or two. By doing so, I almost eliminate the risk of dying from COVID (if I happen to be one of the unlucky ones that it hits hard) and drastically reduce the chances of spreading the virus to other people that might die in my community. There is no evidence for any significant side effects of the vaccine. The virus is clearly killing a lot of people in very community and as part of a community I want to do what I can to help everyone. In this case, by getting a vaccine that hundreds of millions of others have had.

2. If I get the virus I'll probably be OK. However, there is some small chance that I could get really sick and/or die. There is an even bigger chance that I could pass this along to someone who could die. I don't want to get vaccinated because I heard from my brother's friend's cousin that they won't be able to have kids from side effects (which is complete and utter bullshit, by the way).

Again, vaccination programs worked against polio, smallpox, etc. For the most part, the majority of people survived smallpox infections. If people had the same attitudes towards polio or smallpox vaccines (which would be expected to have a lot more side effects), we'd still be seeing people in iron lungs or periodically dying in smallpox outbreaks.

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My brother and his entire family had it.  They are also physically fit, eat well and are active.  His wife lost her taste and smell and still has issues with it but they weren't hospitalized.

Co-morbidity and age definitely are a factor but hearing of some of the long term effects should be pretty damn eye opening when COVID can attack other organs outside of the respiratory system, which is scary enough.   

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My wife is a nurse in an birth center.

She's had moms with COVID die TWO DAYS after giving birth.

She's lost three moms recently. Three.

All unvaccinated.

Baby born the other day had so much lung damage it won't survive more than a few days.

Every doctor she works with is vaccinated. They know.

Back in May of last year, a co workers son who was 16 got C19.  He had no prior issues or preexisting conditions. The virus attacked his heart and he suffered kidney failure and almost didn’t make it.  Since then, he’s been in and out of the hospital and ICU probably a half dozen times.   His mom (co worker) is frustrated because he’s been to numerous doctors and specialists and they can’t figure it out.

My father in law who is in his mid 70s ended up in the ICU last August and thankfully recovered but for about 48hrs it was touch and go.  Since he’s in Iowa, my wife couldn’t see him so obviously that was stressful.  Since getting released from the hospital almost a year ago, he’s developed migraine like headaches and has been (in what he describes) as a mental fog and at times gets very confused.  They’ve run numerous tests and haven’t figured it out.

A good friend of my spouse her ex husband in California dropped dead after getting C19 earlier this year.  No pre existing conditions.  Guy was in his early 40s and relatively healthy.

The common denominator is none of them were vaccinated.  Granted, they didn’t have a chance based on timing but that’s all it took for us to get the double spike.  The side effects were minimal at best.  14 year old daughter got a fever for 2 days.  That was the worst of it for all four of us.  Mostly sore arm and fatigue for about 48hrs.  

Much better than ending up in the hospital or the morgue.

Our 16yr old daughter regained sense of taste and my wife sense of smell but it was several months later.  The daughter still has issues.  They were sick almost a full year ago!   It’s crazy.

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According to the new research the vaccine will give your family "super human" antibodies since they were already infected. 

I'd tell my brother that but he'd probably ignore it.  My older sisters are off the charts nuts.

@YATittle posted:

My wife is a nurse in an birth center.

She's had moms with COVID die TWO DAYS after giving birth.

She's lost three moms recently. Three.

All unvaccinated.

Baby born the other day had so much lung damage it won't survive more than a few days.

Every doctor she works with is vaccinated. They know.

That's just awful and sad.  I know very little about what I am getting ready to ask but do they recommend pregnant women get the vaccine now?

I also know a few fruit loops who won't get vaccinated because they say the government will track them.  I tell them all the time why would the government track a plumber from BFE Ohio?  People floor me with the stupidity they believe on social media.

The tracking one is hilarious.  The same people have already consented to by tracked by Google, Facebook, and their Cell ISP.    We know that the Feds have access to that already. 

That ship has sailed, you consented already!

@The Heckler posted:

That's just awful and sad.  I know very little about what I am getting ready to ask but do they recommend pregnant women get the vaccine now?

I also know a few fruit loops who won't get vaccinated because they say the government will track them.  I tell them all the time why would the government track a plumber from BFE Ohio?  People floor me with the stupidity they believe on social media.

https://www.cdc.gov/media/rele...e-safe-pregnant.html

In short, yes.

I might be the one with the alligator blood. C19 arrived in our home to youngest daughter (either school or softball practice) in late October.  She got symptomatic and her close teammate tested positive before that.  3 days later both wife and older daughter got symptoms and less than a week later they both tested positive.   I had to quarantine for almost a month but never got symptoms and tested negative 3 times over that span.  WTF indeed.  Then again, got really sick mid March and was traveling all over the place for work at that time.  Seattle, San Francisco, Charlotte, Minneapolis, etc.  all in a span of about 6 weeks February - mid March.  

Government tracking you say?  It’s almost the 20 year anniversary of the Patriot Act.  Talk about potentially stripping your rights.   Searches and surveillance without consent, wiretaps without court order or probable cause, pen register data searches, third party record searches, you name it.  If the government wanted to keep an eye on you, it’s not difficult to do and hasn’t been for two decades.

That doesn’t even include private companies (like Facebook) that access and utilize and track and sell your data arguably under broad based consent agreements that most people don’t understand to begin with.

But yeah.  The vaccine is a tracking device.  Bill Gates that evil motherfucker!!  

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My mother-in-law (85) got C-19 in April 2020.  Two weeks on a ventilator, almost died 2 times.  Has recovered but still has chest/breathing issues.  My 50 year old cousin - healthy as a horse with no health issues - got C-19 in January 2021 pre-vaccine.  Died 10 days later.  

@BrainDed posted:

The tracking one is hilarious.  The same people have already consented to by tracked by Google, Facebook, and their Cell ISP.    We know that the Feds have access to that already.

That ship has sailed, you consented already!

I think that's my favorite.  That vaccines are to track you and indoctrinate your thinking. 

Suprise!  Already happening.  Cell phone and algorithms.

Couple of interesting things about science and vaccines: George Washington had his entire army inoculated against smallpox so he would have men to fight in case an epidemic broke out. Back in those days, it was a whole lot less scientific and people were inoculated with a small cut and pus. Franklin was for it, as were many other of the founders. They saw the science and how society would benefit.

Second, Salk's polio vaccine. In the mid-'50s, over a two-year span (1953-54?), less than 10,000 children died because of polio. Salk enlisted more than 1.8 million people from the end of April to the end of June 1954 in trials; the vaccine was not approved for use until one year later. (Interesting aside: a bad vaccine batch killed 11 people but it didn't stop people.) Plenty of people took a leap of faith in science in the 1950s to lower the deaths and benefit society.

But now, because covid was denied to exist, people were told it would "disappear," and because it was politicized, more than 635,000 have died in less than two years. One wonders what Washington, Franklin, Salk, et al., would think today.

@Pakrz posted:

Google must be broke in California... I got you YAYA.

Next time you want us to watch a video , can you identify ahead of time what is the point you want to punctuate right from the start

@Henry posted:

I think that's my favorite.  That vaccines are to track you and indoctrinate your thinking.

Suprise!  Already happening.  Cell phone and algorithms.

Algorithm or Al Gore Rhythm? Coincidence? I think not.

Al Gore Dancing GIFs | Tenor

Well, people really aren’t leaving California in droves.  In fact, people are leaving Texas and Florida in droves to relocate to the Bay Area and So Cal specifically because that’s where the magic happens.  

Yes, people are leaving TX, as well as every other state.

People are also moving to just about every other state.

TX has avgd a net gain of ~100k residents each year since 2018. 500k move in, 400k move out.

Most moving in are coming from the west coast, and then from the midwest.

@Thunderbird posted:

"Slowly raises hand.

I've known people that nave had it,  both here in AZ and family back in WI, but they didn't need hospitalization from it."

I've had two friends from my High School, in Wisconsin, die from it. One died just before Christmas in 2020 and the other died late this Spring from it. Another guy from my hometown died from it, as well. I've known others who caught the virus, got sick from it, but did not have to be hospitalized with it. I also know others who tested positive for it but never got really sick with it. They are closely monitoring their health, now, to see if there are any after effects from getting it. I get a lot of grief from a certain group of people when I advocate for masks and vaccinations on social media. I'm betting a lot of the people giving me grief, do not know people who have died from the virus. Or, if they do know people who have died, they attribute their deaths to something other than Covid.  A while back, I predicted we would be fighting this virus, well into 2022 due to people's attitudes towards masking up and getting vaccinated. It looks like I could be right on that. Sad!

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@Fandame posted:

Couple of interesting things about science and vaccines: George Washington had his entire army inoculated against smallpox so he would have men to fight in case an epidemic broke out. Back in those days, it was a whole lot less scientific and people were inoculated with a small cut and pus. Franklin was for it, as were many other of the founders. They saw the science and how society would benefit.

Second, Salk's polio vaccine. In the mid-'50s, over a two-year span (1953-54?), less than 10,000 children died because of polio. Salk enlisted more than 1.8 million people from the end of April to the end of June 1954 in trials; the vaccine was not approved for use until one year later. (Interesting aside: a bad vaccine batch killed 11 people but it didn't stop people.) Plenty of people took a leap of faith in science in the 1950s to lower the deaths and benefit society.

But now, because covid was denied to exist, people were told it would "disappear," and because it was politicized, more than 635,000 have died in less than two years. One wonders what Washington, Franklin, Salk, et al., would think today.

Those guys would be shocked at how a public health crisis could be politicized to the point of not helping the American people beat this virus.  Yet another thing that bothers me about these antivaxxers is that they all, or most of them, went through elementary school in the United States. Didn't they get State mandated vaccinations for polio, measles/mumps/rubella, diphtheria, whooping cough, flu, et. al.? Where was the outrage then? When did stupidity take over the discourse on how to work to save our citizens from a deadly virus? I can see the answer to that in a mindless, orange cheeto. Was this part of Steve Bannon's plan for taking apart our democracy, for eliminating government services and oversight?

I’m 49 and attended parochial school 1-8 then public school 9-12 and yes, they required proof of vaccination.

When I went to undergraduate school at UWM in the early 90s I’m pretty sure I also had to show proof of vaccination in order to attend.

Not sure about graduate school at U of MN.  That was almost 20 years ago.  But I seem to recall having to provide the information there as well.

Point being, things have changed so dramatically in the last 10 years and it’s all political it seems.  

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