Holy shit, I am starting to believe that the Packers won 39 games the last three years despite MLF, not because of him.His management decisions have been horrible- from ignoring poor special teams performance, to hiring Joe Barry despite his poor track record, to misplaced faith in someone who has demonstrated time and time again that he can't be relied on to catch the ball and has no speed or elusiveness. I guess MLF would also trust Wilt Chamberlain with his wife if Wilt told him he was a one-woman man.
Here's where you want Bisaccia to step up and say, "My job depends on how well the special teams do. We're using ___________ as our punt returner." And if MLF disagrees, well, I hope everyone in Green Bay can hear the screaming from Bisaccia. MLF has to understand that sometimes, guys just can't do the job.
MLF strongly implied at his presser that a change has been made at punt returner (better late than never, I suppose).
The #Packers have released WR Amari Rodgers and RB Kylin Hill.
â Lily Zhao (@LilySZhao) November 15, 2022
Hill is a surprise.
Hill too? IIRC he showed more in few KO returns than Rodgers ever did.
About frickin time!!
Hill is surprising though.
Really hard to justify keeping Rodgers around at this point. These moves may also open the door for Cobb playing on Thursday.
He's really been a waste of a roster spot for quite a while.
I feel bad for Hill. Is the front office making room for OBJ?
Has either/both been signed by the Vikings yet? At least to their practice squad?
If Calamari wasn't a 3rd rounder his ass would have been gone after Washington.
In 5 drafts, Gurt has yet to hit on one 3rd round prospect...time to re-evaluate whatever his "process" is for that round.
In season move. Holding people accountable. Good. Keep it coming and change the attitude in the locker room. Thereâs a 7 seed with our name on itâĶ which will let us beat the Bandwagon Franchise in the Wild Card round.
Too bad for Hill; his release is indeed a surprise.
Amari...
@NumberThree posted:In season move. Holding people accountable. Good. Keep it coming and change the attitude in the locker room. Thereâs a 7 seed with our name on itâĶ which will let us beat the Bandwagon Franchise in the Wild Card round.
Absolutely. Sending a message to everyone. Step up and perform or hit the door.
I don't know. Does it say you can make a really big mistake 4 5 times before getting the ax?
Good riddens.
@Chongo posted:If Calamari wasn't a 3rd rounder his ass would have been gone after Washington.
In 5 drafts, Gurt has yet to hit on one 3rd round prospect...time to re-evaluate whatever his "process" is for that round.
After witnessing the A. Rodgers game changing fumble in D.C. against the Commanders in person only to see Sternberger trolling the franchise on twitter later that same day about taking him one pick before Washington WR difference maker Terry McLaurin it is hard to imagine the Pack screwing up those 2019, 2021 3rd round picks any worse than they did.
Sadly the Oren Burks pick was not much better, though he at least contributed a little on Special Teams. Hopefully, Sean Rhyan does not become the next A. Rodgers/Sterberger.
Pretty low bar, but Degaura is by far the "best" of the bunch.
PS it is worth noting the Packers traded up to take both Burks and A. Rodgers.
I am relieved to see the rebuild has finally started TODAY!
Nice. I wouldn't be surprised to see Hill signed back to the PS, if they can do that. He probably needs more time for the knee to become really solid, especially if they see him primarily as a KR.
Too bad we couldnât trade Amari but we will probably get a comp pick. NOT
When the ball hits your eye like a big pizza pie it's Amari
You win X4 today.
Packers announce they've added Patrick Taylor to the active roster & add 2 to the practice squad including WR Dede Westbrook, who has PR experience
@Chongo posted:If Calamari wasn't a 3rd rounder his ass would have been gone after Washington.
In 5 drafts, Gurt has yet to hit on one 3rd round prospect...time to re-evaluate whatever his "process" is for that round.
Heard on the Bill Micheals Show today that since about 1998 the Packers have had 3, count them 3, 3rd rounders that got a second contract. James Jones, Tramon Williams and 1 other. Might as well trade those # 3's for a vet.
Umm wasn't Tramon a street UDFA from HOU?
Yep. It was Morgan Burnett, not Williams. Add Jermicheal Finley to the list too.
@ammo posted:Heard on the Bill Micheals Show today that since about 1998 the Packers have had 3, count them 3, 3rd rounders that got a second contract. James Jones, Tramon Williams and 1 other. Might as well trade those # 3's for a vet.
Don't know why he started at 1998. Brett Conway was a third round pick in 1997.
Mike McKenzie was the â99 third round pick. He started his rookie season and was really good for several years until he decided he wanted out of GB. I believe he signed a second deal in 2002.
Ron's third round in '95: William Henderson, Brian Williams and Antonio Freeman. Always going to miss significantly more than you'll hit but the recent history in the third has been unbelievable.
3rd round has not been a great round across the league of late..
Third round has been a tough round for most. Only 6 Pro Bowlers drafted between 2018-22 (198 players total). Only 20 players with a weighted Approximate Value of 20 or more. Not many true difference-makers.
â Zach Kruse (@zachkruse2) November 15, 2022
Maybe the league should skip the third round, like the 13th floor of a high ride building.
By the way, has there been any update on Sean Rhyan. He's a 24 year-old, third round pick (2022) from a Power 5 school who is 6'5" 320 pounds and I've not seen a single story on him.
He's played 1 snap this year.
@michiganjoe posted:Ron's third round in '95: William Henderson, Brian Williams and Antonio Freeman. Always going to miss significantly more than you'll hit but the recent history in the third has been unbelievable.
Ron was known for not doing well in RD1 then making hay on day 2.
I don't take any joy in anyone losing their job, especially when it seemed they did everything they could to succeed. I don't get Packers fans dunking on him after he's cut. That said, Nixon has looked pretty good fielding kicks and Westbrook should be noticeably better.
@DH13 posted:Ron was known for not doing well in RD1 then making hay on day 2.
Wolf didn't find any HOFers in the first round, but the narrative about his lack of success in that round is a little overplayed. He usually picked guys that were at least solid starters for many years in Round 1. And, with the exception of Buckley nobody was picked above the mid-teens overall and many were at the end of the first round
Many of us looked at Terrell Buckley (1992) as a bust, but that wasn't really true. The guy played 14 years in the NFL and had 50 interceptions. He was also a really, really good punt returner. He just wasn't the second coming of Deion (coming from FSU right after Deion and his own mouth established those expectations).
In 1993, he got Wayne Simmons and George Teague. Both were good starters for a long time in the league. Simmons was crucial to the Super Bowl teams.
1994 - Aaron Taylor - injury shortened career, but 5 years as a good starter in the league.
1995 - Craig Newsome. He was on track to be a multiple-time Pro Bowler until he blew out his knee in 1997 (the Denver-Green Bay Super Bowl looks like very different with him back there).
1996 - John Michels - really one of only two busts.
1997 - Ross Verba -effective starter for 7 years.
1998 - Vonnie Holiday - a great pick. 15 years in the league.
1999-Antuan Edwards - bust
2000 - Bubba Franks. 3 time Pro Bowler.
The Houston #Texans have claimed former GB Packer WR Amari Rodgers per source.
â DJ Bien-Aime (@Djbienaime) November 16, 2022
By all accounts a good teammate and hopefully the change of scenery will help his career.
@MichiganPacker posted:Wolf didn't find any HOFers in the first round, but the narrative about his lack of success in that round is a little overplayed.
In 1993, he got Wayne Simmons and George Teague. Both were good starters for a long time in the league. Simmons was crucial to the Super Bowl teams.
1994 - Aaron Taylor - injury shortened career, but 5 years as a good starter in the league.
1995 - Craig Newsome. He was on track to be a multiple-time Pro Bowler until he blew out his knee in 1997 (the Denver-Green Bay Super Bowl looks like very different with him back there).
1996 - John Michels - really one of only two busts.
1997 - Ross Verba -effective starter for 7 years.
1998 - Vonnie Holiday - a great pick. 15 years in the league.
1999-Antuan Edwards - bust
2000 - Bubba Franks. 3 time Pro Bowler.
Sure. Now look at the highlights from Wolf's RD2 and RD3 picks:
- Chad Clifton (2000) â Textbook pass blocker at critical LT position for 12 seasons
- Darren Sharper (1997) â Made big plays, although not necessarily in big moments
- Mike Wahle (1998) â A gift from 1998 NFL Supplemental Draft
- Robert Ferguson (2001) â Serviceable WR
- *5. *Mark D'Onofrio (1992) â Showed more in two games before a career-ending hamstring injury than Derrick Mayes did in 29 games
- Robert Brooks (1992) â Caught 102 passes for 1,497 yards and 13 TDs the year before he tore the ACL, patellar tendon and MCL in right knee
- Earl Dotson (1993) â From 1995-98, the height of the Wolf-Holmgren era, he was an anchor and underrated talent at RT
- Antonio Freeman (1995) â Eighth in receptions and seventh in yards all-time
- Brian Williams (1995) â Emerging attack-and-pursuit OLB in third year as a starter when his career was short-circuited by a patellar tendon tear
- William Henderson (1995) â Wolf hit the jackpot three times in the third round in '95, although Mike Flanagan deserved consideration in this spot
Wolf's best RD3 picks may be better than Gute's RD1's!
I read a quote from an MLF presser that intimated Kylin Hill was cut for attitude issues. Nothing specific but essentially saying he didn't accept his role on the team.