2022 Packers Off Season Moves/Trades/Releases/Signings

@PackLandVA posted:

Was not a fan of the Deguara pick at all, mostly because it was viewed by "those in the know" as an extreme overreach.  That said, I'm not ready to write him off just yet.

He was drafted during the start of a pandemic which basically cost him the rookie camp, minicamps, and made training camp not the norm.  Then he blows out his knee in the first series of his career.  Guy has to spend his rookie season rehabbing, again not getting the fruits of a normal offseason.  So in his second season (really his first) he plays just so-so, at best.  OK, but there are plenty of players on every team in the history of sports that take a couple of seasons to "figure it out".  So I'll see how he progresses into next season with a full season under his belt and hopefully a normal offseason.

And he seems to have gotten the label of having the dropsies.  He had two drops this past season.  Hardly a trend. There was another pass catcher recently on the Packers who was drafted pretty high, and it took that guy a couple of seasons to figure things out.  And that guy did have the "dropsies". Until he didn't.

All true….but I would have a back up plan.

@Goalline posted:

Blocked!

Hateful®.

It used to be when a guy had an ACL injury, it took a full year for their return, and they tended to be limited for a another 4-6 weeks.
With improvements in surgical and rehab techniques, that time was cut down to approximately 9 months and 3-4 weeks of being limited.

Since Tonyan was hurt in the Week 8 game last year, I wouldn't expect him to be ready until Week 8 this season (roughly 10 months after his injury) at the earliest.

@Timmy! posted:

It used to be when a guy had an ACL injury, it took a full year for their return, and they tended to be limited for a another 4-6 weeks.
With improvements in surgical and rehab techniques, that time was cut down to approximately 9 months and 3-4 weeks of being limited.

Since Tonyan was hurt in the Week 8 game last year, I wouldn't expect him to be ready until Week 8 this season (roughly 10 months after his injury) at the earliest.

It has gotten better, but there's always a chance you'll get a Bakhtiari outcome.

For what Tonyan is getting, he's worth the risk for even half a season.

@Pikes Peak posted:

All true….but I would have a back up plan.

Degaura was rated as a 6th round talent. He is garbage. He might be a 2nd string fullback at best. Practice squad level.

word on the street is that it takes 2,3, or even 4 years for a te to get comfortable and nfl good.  see hockenson in detoilet, consensus bullseye, just started to figure it out, so no on the high pick on TE right now for me.

Stafford extension with Rams 4/160.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/...-angeles-per-report/

And here I thought the Rams were going to be in cap hell after going all-in for 2021.

Looks to me as if they're the NFC favorites in 2022.

@Tschmack posted:

I don’t enjoy your weirdo pervy routine, but hey, whatever floats your boat.

Just for you, Tschmack:

You just hope that guys like Tonyan and more importantly Bak return and play well for GB this year.   You just never know with serious injuries like they’ve endured.

The 2022... Packers secondary, er primary.

Jaire Alexander, Eric Stokes, Rasul Douglass, Adrian Amos, Darnell Savage

Legion of doom.

So everyone is sold on Savage again?  Constantly up and down.  I had high hopes for him but he never seems to show up in big games.  I wonder if they don't draft one on day2 or 3. 

Good reminder

@DH13 posted:

So everyone is sold on Savage again?  Constantly up and down.  I had high hopes for him but he never seems to show up in big games.  I wonder if they don't draft one on day2 or 3.

I'm definitely not sold on Savage but I don't know that we will be able to upgrade this year with all of our other needs -multiple WR, TE, RT, DL.....

I don’t think Savage is a liability.  He’s not playing like a First Round pick three years in, but he also isn’t someone that clearly needs to be replaced.  

They at least need some depth at the position. They have nothing behind him and Amos.

@PackLandVA posted:

I don’t think Savage is a liability.  He’s not playing like a First Round pick three years in, but he also isn’t someone that clearly needs to be replaced.  

The AJ Hawk of the secondary.

@PackLandVA posted:

I don’t think Savage is a liability.  He’s not playing like a First Round pick three years in, but he also isn’t someone that clearly needs to be replaced.  

Agreed.  At times he looked like a guy that would take a step up and be an upper tier safety, but he never was able to.  He’s okay, but we had hoped for something better than okay.  

Premature to give up on Savage, and Amari Rodgers and Deguara as well.

@michiganjoe posted:

Premature to give up on Savage, and Amari Rodgers and Deguara as well.

Of those 3, I’m probably most down on Deguara.  It isn’t hopeless with him, but he just seems like a guy with limited upside that doesn’t have good hands.  Rodgers also has problems with his hands, at least I do think he’s got some athleticism to improve and he was just a rookie last year. He’s more likely to improve than Deguara.

Deguara reminds me of Richard Rodgers- only a bad pick because of where he was taken. Draft projections on both appear to have been pretty accurate.

@fightphoe93 posted:

Agreed.  At times he looked like a guy that would take a step up and be an upper tier safety, but he never was able to.  He’s okay, but we had hoped for something better than okay.  

Yes, what's frustrating is that he appears to have all the physical tools to be an upper tier safety but so far something is missing.

Instinct is a very important tool.

@13X posted:

Degaura was rated as a 6th round talent. He is garbage. He might be a 2nd string fullback at best. Practice squad level.

If I remember right he wasn’t drafted as a pure TE. His role was to be an “H” (or whatever letter) Back. I am unclear what exactly that role is. Matt’s offense is supposed to have a role for that type of player/position. But I don’t see it. However, In all fairness I have a link. https://footballadvantage.com/h-back/

https://www.nfl.com/prospects/...00-9fe2-3240dc1a9dab

Need a guy that runs better than a 4.72 to threaten the seam. Pre injury Tonyan was that guy.  I still think Lazard could be better there than on the outside. He weighed 227 coming out of college, Tonyan weighed 236.

Both Deguara and Rodgers were limited athletically and spending a third on either one was puzzling.

Deguara? That block against the Vikings his rookie year. That’s the reason he was brought to GB. Since then he’s torn up his knee and played a little out of position as a traditional TE. He showed good hands in college. Like Devante did early on, he is probably thinking too much.

per Macafee, Colts get Matt Ryan for 3rd round draft pic.

Baker too Atlanta?

Deguara has two drops last year. Hardly a problem. Or trend.

@Floridarob posted:

per Macafee, Colts get Matt Ryan for 3rd round draft pic.

That’s a great get for them. He’s a good QB still but he’s not ever really been a “carry the team” guy.

A good analysis of recent Packer cap moves.

https://cheeseheadtv.com/blog/...obb-restructures-709

Matt Ryan going for a 3rd Round pick should indicate Love's value pretty convincingly.

False.

In the bottom of the article it talked about hoping GB FO isn't alienating players.

For every player that is, should ones like Douglas or Campbell (or hell, even Cobb with a restructure) be celebrated for wanting to stay in GB?

I guess you can argue the value of  the players.  Is Campbell more valuable to the team and the D than 17 was to the offense?

Would the D be in worse shape w/out Douglas and Campbell than the offense will be without Adams?

IMO, offense has a chance to be "hurt" less because of 12, I don't think the D would without Campbell/Douglas.  It'd be a steeper climb.

Douglas isn't nearly as important to the D as Campbell going forward.  Not even close with JA back.

They can always re-sign King

And he seems to have gotten the label of having the dropsies.  He had two drops this past season

One of them was a brutal drop in the playoffs.

@Fedya posted:

And he seems to have gotten the label of having the dropsies.  He had two drops this past season

One of them was a brutal drop in the playoffs.

Did it cost them the game?

Maybe