2022 Packers Off Season Moves/Trades/Releases/Signings

@RochNyFan posted:

A rebuild is a lot easier with a slew of extra picks in rounds one and two.  If a rebuild is inevitable now or later, and the current configuration has not been able to achieve the ultimate goal despite having HFA two years in a row, wouldn't it be wiser to bite the bullet now and play with some extra cards up your sleeve?

I'm married to a great gal with a good job now but if I go to her office party and hit on all the interns it's likely to give me a better chance at happiness, right?

Put me in the rebuild camp with exception that Rodgers is willing to take a mid level 3 year deal.   If he wants top 5 QB money, take all the picks you can get now.

Spending huge money on him and Adams at the expense of the rest of the squad would be a huge mistake.   We probably wouldn’t get a trophy out of it and we remove a great chance to jump start the rebuild.  

I'm in the maximize compensation and move on camp.

@Harry Manback posted:

I'm really hoping that report is false.  Because it it's not, we can't go all in and I'd rather trade them both.

Also remember that when Adams missed games, due to an injury, we won all those games, he missed. So it's not like we need him, in order to win. It would be nice to have him on the team, but not if our cap needs to go down in a significant way. Trade him and Rodgers and throw in Bakh and see what we get for compensation.

Agreed.  If Rodgers can't see that then don't let the door hit you in the ass. 

Adams, not sure how you get around his contract as there is absolutely no one behind him.  Adams walks they would need to do some serious shopping.

Wouldn't just be easier for all you guys that have butthurt since the offseason that Aaron Rodgers makes you sad because he's not "Packer People" and gives you poopy butt? 

Save a lot of typing considering the only thing you guys talk about is how it's all Rodgers fault even with all the other obvious flaws with this team.

Well when a guy  can't grasp just how bad his hair looks, it  doesn't give you confidence in his decision-making

I don’t care that he’s not Packer People.  Such a dumb concept anyway given the percentage of criminals and scumbags that play in the league or coach or own teams.

In a perfect world, they find a way to get him back for the next 2-3 years.  The problem is I don’t know how it’s possible to retain Adams and most of their other key players.  

Can he win in the playoffs?  Maybe, maybe not.  

If he wants to be back he’ll be back.

@Herschel posted:

I'm married to a great gal with a good job now but if I go to her office party and hit on all the interns it's likely to give me a better chance at happiness, right?

If your wife is 38, and only one wife in the history of wives was really good at wifing after the age of 38, maybe you sidle up to a couple of those interns?

@RochNyFan posted:

Preferred to take the sack instead.

Has trouble consistently sustaining drives.

What is a good fit for Adam’s?  Not from a talent perspective, cause that is obvious.  But he really should end up with a team that has a QB on a rookie contract to make his money work

@FLPACKER posted:

Well when a guy  can't grasp just how bad his hair looks, it  doesn't give you confidence in his decision-making

True.  I won't deny that.

@michiganjoe posted:

I'm in the maximize compensation and move on camp.

Same!

No one wants to bring this up either, but not unlike Rodgers, Adams has also played small at times in the biggest games that matter. In the 2021 NFCC game, he had 9 catches for 67 yards and dropped a sure 2 yard TD pass that he almost always would have caught. He was targeted 15 times for about a 60 % catch rate. He also had an uncharacteristic drop rate of 6.7 percent in that game.   

In the 2020 NFC championship game, he had 138 yards (a lot in garbage time when the Packers were being blown out), no TD's and Rodgers put up a 80.9 QB rating when throwing to him.     

For 2 players in Rodgers and Adams that have been labeled as the best in their positions, they just haven't been good enough when it matters the most:

Packers up 7 points with 6:10 left after a 4th down redzone stop.

Their next 2 drives combined for -15 yards.

1 completion: 4 yds
1 run: 2 yds
3 incompletions
2 penalties: -10 yds
1 sack: -11 yds

Say what you want on special teams, the offense wasn't good enough in the moment.

— Ken Ingalls - Packers Cap 💰 (@KenIngalls) February 17, 2022

@packerboi posted:

No one wants to bring this up either, but not unlike Rodgers, Adams has also played small at times in the biggest games that matter. In the 2021 NFCC game, he had 9 catches for 67 yards and dropped a sure 2 yard TD pass that he almost always would have caught. He was targeted 15 times for about a 60 % catch rate. He also had an uncharacteristic drop rate of 6.7 percent in that game.   

In the 2020 NFC championship game, he had 138 yards (a lot in garbage time when the Packers were being blown out), no TD's and Rodgers put up a 80.9 QB rating when throwing to him.     

For 2 players in Rodgers and Adams that have been labeled as the best in their positions, they just haven't been good enough when it matters the most:

 

Packers up 7 points with 6:10 left after a 4th down redzone stop.

Their next 2 drives combined for -15 yards.

1 completion: 4 yds
1 run: 2 yds
3 incompletions
2 penalties: -10 yds
1 sack: -11 yds

Say what you want on special teams, the offense wasn't good enough in the moment.

— Ken Ingalls - Packers Cap 💰 (@KenIngalls) February 17, 2022

and I think they call that a choke eh??  😂 🤣 😂

@Henry posted:

Wouldn't just be easier for all you guys that have butthurt since the offseason that Aaron Rodgers makes you sad because he's not "Packer People" and gives you poopy butt?

Save a lot of typing considering the only thing you guys talk about is how it's all Rodgers fault even with all the other obvious flaws with this team.

Aaron Rodgers makes me sad because he's not "Packer People" and gives me poopy butt.

I always go back to the two picks by Jaire in the Buc game. Not scoring points off of turnovers is bad enough, but the Packers couldn't even muster a single first down after either one.

The rumors of a Raiders deal, receiving Carr and a couple ones and maybe a two, sound pretty reasonable to me.

Depends on Carr's cap number.

Isn’t part of trading AR giving Love a competition free environment.  At least for a year?

They could certainly do worse than Carr and two 1s.  Like starting Love.  

Unless your goal is to tank to improve draft position, there is no reason to start Love in 2022.  Not that tanking is a bad strategy especially if you can parlay the Denver picks this year and next.

They can sell it like they want to see what they have in Love as a disguise, but that dog won’t hunt.  5 or 6 wins at best.

@"We"-Ka-Bong posted:

Isn’t part of trading AR giving Love a competition free environment.  At least for a year?

They could take Carr and have Love apprentice for another year since he's really had just one real preseason camp so far. If Love's ready after that, try to move Carr for whatever you can get and continue to infuse young talent.  If Love is not ready, you have a decent stop-gap QB in place until you find one you can build your future around.  Would also provide incentive for Adams to stay....just not sure what kind of price tag Carr would come with.

@Goalline posted:

Depends on Carr's cap number.

$19.8M

@tsr86free posted:

The rumors of a Raiders deal, receiving Carr and a couple ones and maybe a two, sound pretty reasonable to me.

All first-rounders are not created equal.

The problem is that the Raiders pick is 22nd overall this year.

The Broncos pick is 9th overall.

If you look at the Jimmy Johnson trade value chart for draft picks (which is fairly influential on how front offices manage draft capital), the 9th pick is worth the 22nd pick and about the 32nd pick combined. It's a huge difference.

https://www.calculatorsoup.com...draft-pick-value.php

Well well well

@AaronWilson_NFL: Green Bay Packers expected to hire veteran assistant and former offensive coordinator Tom Clements as their new quarterbacks coach, per league sources; Clements' addition is expected to be welcomed highly by quarterback Aaron Rodgers as he contemplates his future @PFN365

Could be for Love's sake too.  Just don't let him call plays.

Can Tom get Rodgers to take the check down to open up big plays later in the game?

@Henry posted:

Could be for Love's sake too.  Just don't let him call plays.

Maybe, but the move is not very LaFleur-like (he has no connection to Clements).  This smells of the FO asking AR "who do you want as your coach" and them giving it to him.

Probably just another hint that AR is getting what he wants and is coming back.

Gee, maybe MLF got the input from AR. Can’t pin everything on the FO.

@vitaflo posted:

Maybe, but the move is not very LaFleur-like (he has no connection to Clements).  This smells of the FO asking AR "who do you want as your coach" and them giving it to him.

Probably just another hint that AR is getting what he wants and is coming back.

Yep, two Rodgers crony hires on the coaching staff. I think people need to be prepared to accept the horror of another 2-3 years of a Rodgers led offense.

@michiganjoe posted:

I always go back to the two picks by Jaire in the Buc game. Not scoring points off of turnovers is bad enough, but the Packers couldn't even muster a single first down after either one.

I know we have been thru this too, but he lost me last year in that game when he forced it to 17 (shocking I know) instead of trying to run it in from about the 8.  He may not have made it and if he did it would not mean game over, but he had a shot, certainly better than a no shot pass.

@PackerHawk posted:

Yep, two Rodgers crony hires on the coaching staff. I think people need to be prepared to accept the horror of another 2-3 years of a Rodgers led offense.

The horror isn't the next 3 years, the horror is the rebuild while in cap hell.

Probably true but I think for many simply having to watch him at QB in 2022 and beyond will be too much to handle.

@GBFanForLife posted:

The horror isn't the next 3 years, the horror is the rebuild while in cap hell.

Cap will go up, we will be fine. Bigger issue is D&D a new quality QB.

When I think about the scenarios I’m fine with Rodgers returning - as long as it’s not just for 2022.  Either he plays for the next few years or you trade him now for picks or players or both.  You cannot let him walk and pick the team he wants and only get a 3rd round compensatory pick in return.

I’d also be totally fine with them dealing Rodgers for a kings ransom as long as the Packers go “all in” to tank in 2022.  If you are going to suck, suck as badly as you can to get maximum value of picks in 2023.  If Denver is the trade partner, any deal will almost certainly have to include their 1st and 2nd this year.  If the Packers crater in 2022 then their picks will look decent in 2023.   You combine a couple of years with high picks that could accelerate the rebuild.  

What can’t happen is Love plays just good enough for them to be a mediocre team in 2022 and the Packers think he’s their QB of the future.  That’s Minnesota Vikings like and I want nothing to do with it.

@ilcuqui posted:

Well well well

@AaronWilson_NFL: Green Bay Packers expected to hire veteran assistant and former offensive coordinator Tom Clements as their new quarterbacks coach, per league sources; Clements' addition is expected to be welcomed highly by quarterback Aaron Rodgers as he contemplates his future @PFN365

Wow, the full blown dick sucking is on to keep Rodgers.

@PackerHawk posted:

Probably true but I think for many simply having to watch him at QB in 2022 and beyond will be too much to handle.

And this is why everyone should hope the FO loads up the defense so they can cheer for how great they are despite Rodgers. 

Carrot, stick, I don't give a shit. 

@packerboi posted:

Wow, the full blown dick sucking is on to keep Rodgers.

If so, then Rodgers decision is obviously made.

Again, this is not a bad thing for Love.  Clements is a good QB tutor.

I'm more interested who hired him.  MurphyBallz or Mayo.