2022 Packers Off Season Moves/Trades/Releases/Signings

@RochNyFan posted:

This.  We all agree the special teams sucked all year and in this game in particular.  Bottom line, though, is that our offense managed just 10 points - just 3 after the opening drive, when 14 would have won the game.  That last throw to Adams in double coverage while Lazard was wide open over the middle epitomized the poor play of the offense and the QB.  Coaches also share a good portion of blame for fucking up what had been a decent offensive line.

ST was directly responsible for 10 of the 9ers 13 points. One more time. ST was directly responsible for 10 of the 9ers 13 points.  6 points would've won the game.

Last time I checked, 9ers also have a really good defense. You don't get to praise the Packers defensive effort and not acknowledge the 9ers destroying the Packers OTs.

I will say this.  I have no idea why it's so hard for this fucking team to have both units firing at the same time. 

Summary:  I don't care if they trade Rodgers and start over.  Part of me would rather just be done with it.  The rational side says you take at least one more shot with Rodgers and keep building up the team.  I'm not worried about a rebuild.  You can either get capital for Rodgers or hardware.  They just need to keep building it right and stack the defense IMO.

It’s always important to say IMO after a post

JMHO

IYO

@Henry posted:

Summary:  I don't care if they trade Rodgers and start over.  Part of me would rather just be done with it.  The rational side says you take at least one more shot with Rodgers and keep building up the team.  I'm not worried about a rebuild.  You can either get capital for Rodgers or hardware.  They just need to keep building it right and stack the defense IMO.

My biggest issue is the rumored "report" they are willing to give Adams and Rodgers a combined 70-75 million dollars per year. I don't care how you manipulate the cap. That's a shit ton of money on 2 players who will not get you over the hump to the SB.

Do that, and defense gets worse. ST's suffers because you can't spend dollars on veterans who know what the Hell they are doing.

It's just a stupid way to allocate your cap dollars and build your team

@Henry posted:

ST was directly responsible for 10 of the 9ers 13 points. One more time. ST was directly responsible for 10 of the 9ers 13 points.  6 points would've won the game.

Last time I checked, 9ers also have a really good defense. You don't get to praise the Packers defensive effort and not acknowledge the 9ers destroying the Packers OTs.

I will say this.  I have no idea why it's so hard for this fucking team to have both units firing at the same time.

I have been mumbling this to myself and bitching about that here for about a decade now.   I am also with you that if they are going to move on without Rodgers I think it would be a great idea to stack the defense.  Nothing would be better for a new QB than not having the pressure of learning the offense and having to up over 30 points to win each week.

@packerboi posted:

My biggest issue is the rumored "report" they are willing to give Adams and Rodgers a combined 70-75 million dollars per year. I don't care how you manipulate the cap. That's a shit ton of money on 2 players who will not get you over the hump to the SB.

Do that, and defense gets worse. ST's suffers because you can't spend dollars on veterans who know what the Hell they are doing.

It's just a stupid way to allocate your cap dollars and build your team

Add in Bakh and that's basically $100M...half your cap, on 3 players.

Gutey/Ballz are in a tough spot...they want to win, but don't have a viable QB on the roster to make 12 expendable.

TT knew what he had with 12 on the roster, and it allowed him to walk away from 4...he could deal with the PR flak. He knew they'd get to the level they needed him to be...he could have been wrong, but he wasn't...but he had the confidence to move forward with him.

FO doesn't have the confidence to give the keys to Love at this moment it seems. If they felt like Love could give them the chance to get into the playoffs, they'd trade 12 tomorrow.

I love 17...I admit I have an emotional connection to him...but I'd be OK if he was let walk. Is he the best WR in the league? No doubt. Is he worth the money he will get? No doubt. But that salary belongs with a team that isn't paying it's QB and LT top of scale wages for the whole league.

But it is what it is...I am guessing the can gets kicked down the road, and 12 and 17 both come back with front-loaded long term contracts to allow the Packers to pro-rate the bonus. And at some point down the road, will be in this spot again. That's what the modern cap does. Every team paying a QB premium salary is going to face cap hell also...KC, Dallas, Buffalo...it's coming.

You combat this by drafting well and getting production out of young guys.

@Iowacheese posted:

It’s always important to say IMO after a post

JMHO

Please never leave, because if you did then I would be the biggest asshole on the board.

@Iowacheese posted:

It’s always important to say IMO after a post

JMHO

You're right.

My opinion is fact hence it is always correct.

Thanks for catching that Cletus.

Sorry, that was mean.  IowaCletus.

@packerboi posted:

My biggest issue is the rumored "report" they are willing to give Adams and Rodgers a combined 70-75 million dollars per year. I don't care how you manipulate the cap. That's a shit ton of money on 2 players who will not get you over the hump to the SB.

Do that, and defense gets worse. ST's suffers because you can't spend dollars on veterans who know what the Hell they are doing.

It's just a stupid way to allocate your cap dollars and build your team

Of course it is but it's a "rumor" and we all know how well that shit pans out in the NFL.

If they pay those two with big honkin' bonuses up front that don't hit the cap who gives a shit?  It's what's actually on the books that counts.  You aren't going to get around a rebuild and if both of those guys take short term contracts who cares?  You suck it up for a year or two and go full draft and develop.

There is no part of keeping Rodgers, Adams and building up the team more in FA that excludes a rebuild.  That's the bet.  Otherwise you just give up now and hope the team doesn't roll into mediocrity for a decade.  That option is very real even if Rodgers and Adams stay and they do a hard rebuild after.

There's a reason these guys are the highest paid.  They are that fucking good and even on the downside they are better than Stafford and OJB.  Build a complete team, take a shot.  Otherwise just quit and hope for the best in a rebuild.   

I think it would be a mistake to pay that much money for a 38 y/o QB and a 29y/o WR.  If they were both 25, maybe.  

I just don't see how having that much cap space tied up in those two (three if you thrown in Bahk) will lend itself to building a competitive team.  I know all of the talking heads say, "don't worry about the cap there's ways around it."

To think that this team, as it's currently constructed, will be better next year (with little cap space to sign anyone new) hinges on the chance that all of our injured players will be back and playing at a high level.  

The idea of getting rid of player a year too early is better than a year too late, might be the better mindset in regards to a rebuild.

IMO

@Chongo posted:

I love 17...I admit I have an emotional connection to him...but I'd be OK if he was let walk. Is he the best WR in the league? No doubt. Is he worth the money he will get? No doubt. But that salary belongs with a team that isn't paying it's QB and LT top of scale wages for the whole league.

Agree with all the other points but this isn't a situation that is unique to the Packers.  Rodgers, Bak and Adams didn't set the market and other teams have the same balancing act.  Of course you need to get the most out of your guys on rookie contracts but to constantly protect the cap "for the future" just gets you a revolving door of talent even if you do hit on some picks.

The Packers 2010 Super Bowl team looked a lot like the Bengals team.  Complete strip down and because TT hit on a lot of picks within a short span he created a winner but first and foremost with that lap faller Rodgers.

Quite simply, playing it safe is just as stupid as going all in.  There is a shit ton of luck involved but GMs need to know when to pick their spot.  You just signed your young QB to a huge contract?  Then start using every avenue possible because you're going to have to suck it up down the road anyways and maybe you walk away with a championship.

I'd say the risk is much greater hoping a bunch of rookies mature all at the same time vs. buying proven talent to build around a core.

@The Heckler posted:

I have been mumbling this to myself and bitching about that here for about a decade now.   I am also with you that if they are going to move on without Rodgers I think it would be a great idea to stack the defense.  Nothing would be better for a new QB than not having the pressure of learning the offense and having to up over 30 points to win each week.

Wouldn't it be great to see a monster defense in Green Bay again?  Even if Rodgers stays I think the smart money is building more defense.  Even when he's gone you could still have a pretty decent core of guys to build around. 

The only thing I truly want to see on offense is another legit WR or dynamic seam buster TE.  Either or.  Otherwise I'd use mid round picks for a oline hogger or two and then defense.

@DocBenni posted:

I think it would be a mistake to pay that much money for a 38 y/o QB and a 29y/o WR.  If they were both 25, maybe.  

I just don't see how having that much cap space tied up in those two (three if you thrown in Bahk) will lend itself to building a competitive team.  I know all of the talking heads say, "don't worry about the cap there's ways around it."

To think that this team, as it's currently constructed, will be better next year (with little cap space to sign anyone new) hinges on the chance that all of our injured players will be back and playing at a high level.  

The idea of getting rid of player a year too early is better than a year too late, might be the better mindset in regards to a rebuild.

IMO

I agree

@packerboi posted:

My biggest issue is the rumored "report" they are willing to give Adams and Rodgers a combined 70-75 million dollars per year. I don't care how you manipulate the cap. That's a shit ton of money on 2 players who will not get you over the hump to the SB.

Do that, and defense gets worse. ST's suffers because you can't spend dollars on veterans who know what the Hell they are doing.

It's just a stupid way to allocate your cap dollars and build your team

I'm really hoping that report is false.  Because it it's not, we can't go all in and I'd rather trade them both.

Where did it come from?  NFLrumors.com?  Talk about bullshit.  If anything they're spitballing for clicks.

If Rodgers and Adams contracts mean there is nothing left to build with NOW, forget it.  Thanks for everything.  Good luck to you both.

Or let Adams walk, I don't think we can trade him.  I could be wrong, though, I'm certainly no capologist.  I hate math.

Tag and trade. 

A rebuild is a lot easier with a slew of extra picks in rounds one and two.  If a rebuild is inevitable now or later, and the current configuration has not been able to achieve the ultimate goal despite having HFA two years in a row, wouldn't it be wiser to bite the bullet now and play with some extra cards up your sleeve?

What are the odds?  Finally getting over the top with a HOF QB and a bolstered team around him or hoping all your picks land?  Doesn't matter about the previous failures.  It sucks but you have to pin everything on Rodgers for that loss to think it's a lost cause when the fact is ST absolutely sunk that game.

You take the shot because you don't know when it'll come around again.

@RochNyFan posted:

A rebuild is a lot easier with a slew of extra picks in rounds one and two.  If a rebuild is inevitable now or later, and the current configuration has not been able to achieve the ultimate goal despite having HFA two years in a row, wouldn't it be wiser to bite the bullet now and play with some extra cards up your sleeve?

That's what I think, and then use the extra ammo to build a monster defense.  I can't fault others for wanting to go all in, but if we do, it should be with a couple key pieces to help us get over the hump.  Hopefully the contracts with AR and Adams would allow us to do that.  If not, then like Henry said, buh-bye.

If they can't find a legit replacement for Northwestern and grab another WR then forget it.  I don't think they need much more than that.

@Henry posted:

If they can't find a legit replacement for Northwestern and grab another WR then forget it.  I don't think they need much more than that.

Thats what I'm thinking too.  Should be able to find immediate contributers via free agency without having to break the bank.  It's key to keep Douglas and Campbell, probably P. Smith too.  Of those, Cambell is probably the most importants.

I think there's really only a slim chance, but let's hope he doesn't retire.

Probably could use a FA TE too.  It's hard to tell if Tonyan's going to be able to come back from the ACL and be 100% this season.  It probably won't be until later in the season that he sees the field, if at all.  Dallas has a decent one that might not cost too much.

@Dr._Bob posted:

It had nothing to do with Rodgers' salary.

Debatable.

@Dr._Bob posted:

We get it, you don't like Rodgers, but that doesn't change the reality of that game. 

Nor does your love and admiration for the man.

@Henry posted:

ST was directly responsible for 10 of the 9ers 13 points. One more time. ST was directly responsible for 10 of the 9ers 13 points.  6 points would've won the game.

Last time I checked, 9ers also have a really good defense. You don't get to praise the Packers defensive effort and not acknowledge the 9ers destroying the Packers OTs.

I will say this.  I have no idea why it's so hard for this fucking team to have both units firing at the same time.

The offense lead by the MVP was responsible for only 10 points. Let's stop pretending that this was remotely a special teams only problem. The side of the ball you all like to bash gave up 3  non-special teams induced points, and the MVP of the league still couldn't lead his team to a win. He was unable to score more than 13 points. Brutal!

@packerboi posted:

My biggest issue is the rumored "report" they are willing to give Adams and Rodgers a combined 70-75 million dollars per year. I don't care how you manipulate the cap. That's a shit ton of money on 2 players who will not get you over the hump to the SB.

Do that, and defense gets worse. ST's suffers because you can't spend dollars on veterans who know what the Hell they are doing.

It's just a stupid way to allocate your cap dollars and build your team

And the Aaron nibblers will try to convince you that his salary has nothing to do with it.

@Timmy! posted:

If the Packers could take a different approach to cap dollar management, what would the possibility be of trading Bakhtiari?
Spotrac shows a dead cap hit of $39M for 2022, but would that stay the same if he were traded?
Besides all the variables that would come into play for this to even be possible, I can't see the Packers eating the equivalent (roughly) of 1 year of ARod's salary.

They aren't trading 69.

@Goalline posted:

Nor does your love and admiration for the man.

Love and admiration for that asshat?  But he's a damn good QB and that's what I've been talking about.

@RochNyFan posted:

This.  We all agree the special teams sucked all year and in this game in particular.  Bottom line, though, is that our offense managed just 10 points - just 3 after the opening drive, when 14 would have won the game.  

Well, they were in perfect position for 13, except………..

special teams

@Dr._Bob posted:

Love and admiration for that asshat?  But he's a damn good QB and that's what I've been talking about.

Good REGULAR SEASON QB.

@packerboi posted:

My biggest issue is the rumored "report" they are willing to give Adams and Rodgers a combined 70-75 million dollars per year. I don't care how you manipulate the cap. That's a shit ton of money on 2 players who will not get you over the hump to the SB.

Do that, and defense gets worse. ST's suffers because you can't spend dollars on veterans who know what the Hell they are doing.

It's just a stupid way to allocate your cap dollars and build your team

If they do give contracts with that kind of average to Rodgers and Adams their 2022 and 2023 cap figures won't be anywhere close to that. The piper will be paid eventually, but not during the prime SB window.

@Goalline posted:

Good REGULAR SEASON QB.

@Chongo posted:

Packers add a bad-ass to assist with ST, Byron Storer...great kid from a great family. Walked on at Cal, and was put on scholarship because he would run through walls on ST. I know the family...he will be an asset!

https://www.packers.com/news/p...-special-teams-coach

Source: the Packers are hiring Byron Storer as their assistant special teams coach.

He worked in the same role for the past four years in Las Vegas and reunites with Rich Bisaccia in Green Bay.

Storer was also college teammates with Aaron Rodgers at Cal.

https://twitter.com/FieldYates.../1492292851832475648

Wow, you're even slower than Packers.com with the news! 

@Goalline posted:

The offense lead by the MVP was responsible for only 10 points. Let's stop pretending that this was remotely a special teams only problem. The side of the ball you all like to bash gave up 3  non-special teams induced points, and the MVP of the league still couldn't lead his team to a win. He was unable to score more than 13 points. Brutal!

6 points wins the game without ST fuck ups.  Fact.  Also, I don't see one person stating it was ST only.  You only pick that up because of rebuttals to people arguing it's all Rodgers fault and Rodgers alone.

Guess you've never seen a defensive battle either.  How can you stand games where they don't score 30 points?

Also another fact, you've made it abundantly clear you personally don't like Rodgers so maybe stop with calling other people Rodgers ball lickers when you flat out stated you don't like the guy and have for a few years now.  That's your personal beef.  Whether you like it or not, the best bet is to take a shot with Rodgers.  It has nothing to do with thinking he's dreamy.  He's a stereotypical ass.  It's the reality of the NFL, which is off putting but still the reality.

The whole idea of scrapping the best legit chance because Rodgers is a poopybutt doodyhead is fan bullshit.  That's the emotional knee jerk some like to talk about.

@Blair Kiel posted:

Please never leave, because if you did then I would be the biggest asshole on the board.

You're not the biggest asshole already? 

@Dr._Bob posted: