They just acknowledged that.
I would hope to hell the new ST's coach signed off on this new punter. I really can't see him being all that excited about a dude with the stats he racked up last year..
Signing a veteran punter makes it clear the Packers just wanted to go in a different direction. Not really a money thing; O'Donnell will make decent money even on a minimum deal. Change understandable with a new special teams coach.
â Zach Kruse (@zachkruse2) March 17, 2022
Maybe Biscoff wanted him over Bojo
@michiganjoe posted:Suspect O'Donnell may just be an insurance stopgap and Gutey will continue searching,
Edit:
The Packers gave new punter Pat OâDonnell a two-year, $4 million contract. It includes a $950,000 roster bonus and a total guarantee of $1.6 million.
â Rob Demovsky (@RobDemovsky) March 17, 2022Guess not.
So, after all the changes in specialists over the last 8 months, what does Pat O'Donnell give you that JK Scott didn't? Scott was an adequate punter (not great, but passable) and they had an adequate holder. More importantly, in 2019-20 Crosby was 38 for 40 on FGs. That FG unit had continuity and wasn't an issue. Who decided to make the changes to fix something that wasn't broken?
I actually think Corey B got a raw deal in this whole thing. Heâs easily the best pure punter theyâve had since Jon Ryan and other than maybe Craig Hentrich heâs been really good. You could make an argument heâs the best pure punter theyâve had in my lifetime (almost 50 years).
Sure, he has trouble holding but you fucking figure it out Plan B given how well he can kick in crap conditions.
I hate this move but itâs more fucking special teams nonsense. Everyone wants to coddle Crosby - who has been tremendous- but the Packers havenât valued special teams as a unit for 20 years now.
If you think hiring Richie B will magically turn this group around I think you are asking a lot. As good as a coach may be you still need personnel. Seems to me getting rid of your punter and Burks doesnât exactly align with making big improvements there.
Silverstein said that Bojo's struggles in the cold is one reason they moved on. His performance did deteriorate later in the season but I think they would have given him the chance to work through that had the holding not been an issue.
As far as Scott goes, he was way too inconsistent kicking the ball and the team had to make a change.
Struggles in the cold? Really? He hit some bombs later in the year and against SF. Silverstein is an idiot.
They are moving on because they either arenât creative or smart enough to find a more competent holder. Bojorquez is elite at punting. Itâs like cutting Ahman Green because he âhad a fumbling problem.â BTW thanks Mike Holmgren.
We should have moved on from Brett like 6 different times because he threw it to the other team a little too much.
Bojoquez has an average punt of 45+ yards. Iâd love to know how that stacks up against the best in recent history.
Must be more to it than we are knowledgable enough to understand ....the Bills let Bojoquez go after averaging 51 yards per punt ... signed with the Rams who promptly traded him to us before ever playing a regular season game for them and now let him go after one season.
Saints fans are all giddy thinking they are getting Watson from Houston. It looks like it is down to Atlanta and the Saints. I wonder if the Bucs are upset Brady came back because they would be all over that trade if Brady was not coming back.
So, we are now a tad under the Cap. https://overthecap.com/salary-cap/green-bay-packers/. Of course the team still has to find a way to sign the draft picks.
What are your guys thoughts on Lucas P? Bears need all the offensive line help they can get. In regards to PD, he's okay. Never really did anything exceptionally well except not fumble. Good thing hes on a one year for you guys.
Lucas Patrick is depth on his best day. He's not a guy that is going to wow you, but he can fill in in a pinch.
The #Packers had a choice to restructure either S Adrian Amos or DL Dean Lowry. They chose Amos and lowered his cap number down from $11.982M to $7.278M by converting base salary into signing bonus and adding voidable years. Likely they'll use Lowry's number later on.
â Tom Silverstein (@TomSilverstein) March 17, 2022
@ObjectiveBearsFan187 posted:What are your guys thoughts on Lucas P? Bears need all the offensive line help they can get. In regards to PD, he's okay. Never really did anything exceptionally well except not fumble. Good thing hes on a one year for you guys.
Patrick is a tough kid who will fight and give everything he has....limited athletically which hinders his ability to get to the second level / contain inside pass rushers without help. If he is your 4th-5th best o-lineman you probably have an average group....if he is your 3rd best you are below average.
Two reasons why #Packers signed #Bears punter Pat OâDonnell: Heâs good in cold weather and he holds for K Cairo Santos, who is 56 of 62 the last two seasons. Both (weather, holding) were weaknesses of Bojorquez.
â Tom Silverstein (@TomSilverstein) March 17, 2022
That's one reason Goldie
He Irish, he Irish.
@Chongo posted:Lucas Patrick is depth on his best day. He's not a guy that is going to wow you, but he can fill in in a pinch.
So instant starter for the Bears.
@michiganjoe posted:Think perhaps the holding issue was much more significant than the team was willing to acknowledge.
Maybe with a real coach that could have been changed. Man, No Mo was an absolute imposter as a coach. Absolutely fuckin' useless. Did he do anything?
@Tschmack posted:I actually think Corey B got a raw deal in this whole thing. Heâs easily the best pure punter theyâve had since Jon Ryan and other than maybe Craig Hentrich heâs been really good. You could make an argument heâs the best pure punter theyâve had in my lifetime (almost 50 years).
Sure, he has trouble holding but you fucking figure it out Plan B given how well he can kick in crap conditions.
I hate this move but itâs more fucking special teams nonsense. Everyone wants to coddle Crosby - who has been tremendous- but the Packers havenât valued special teams as a unit for 20 years now.
If you think hiring Richie B will magically turn this group around I think you are asking a lot. As good as a coach may be you still need personnel. Seems to me getting rid of your punter and Burks doesnât exactly align with making big improvements there.
Agree with you on Bojo. Disagree on Burks. The guy was a waste of a roster spot since the day he was drafted.
@Tschmack posted:Struggles in the cold? Really? He hit some bombs later in the year and against SF. Silverstein is an idiot.
They are moving on because they either arenât creative or smart enough to find a more competent holder. Bojorquez is elite at punting. Itâs like cutting Ahman Green because he âhad a fumbling problem.â BTW thanks Mike Holmgren.
We should have moved on from Brett like 6 different times because he threw it to the other team a little too much.
Bojoquez has an average punt of 45+ yards. Iâd love to know how that stacks up against the best in recent history.
Well, the Rams cut him because he couldn't hold even though he kicked better than Hekker. So it must be more important than we think. Thinking about it, maybe it's not all on No Mo because he couldn't learn it from the Rams either.
@Pikes Peak posted:He Irish, he Irish.
That's right, he's Irish, he's Irish. and thanks. 
Bojo's yards per punt in cold weather Dec-Jan games:
42.75
47.0
31.5
47.0
O'Donnel's:
45.50
46.25
53.67
45.40
If you look at Bojo's stats, his big games were all earlier in the year. Once it got cold there was a large decline. O'Donnel was more consistent through the year. If he's a good holder too, it's obvious why they made the move. GB is playing for January, not September.
@Tschmack posted:I actually think Corey B got a raw deal in this whole thing. Heâs easily the best pure punter theyâve had since Jon Ryan and other than maybe Craig Hentrich heâs been really good. You could make an argument heâs the best pure punter theyâve had in my lifetime (almost 50 years).
Sure, he has trouble holding but you fucking figure it out Plan B given how well he can kick in crap conditions.
I hate this move but itâs more fucking special teams nonsense. Everyone wants to coddle Crosby - who has been tremendous- but the Packers havenât valued special teams as a unit for 20 years now.
If you think hiring Richie B will magically turn this group around I think you are asking a lot. As good as a coach may be you still need personnel. Seems to me getting rid of your punter and Burks doesnât exactly align with making big improvements there.
The biggest indication about how much you value special teams is whether you play your starters there. If you are willing to play your starting LBs for ST snaps, you don't need to waste a spot on Burks. The injury risks go up, but the Packers have played their starters less snaps on special teams than any other team in the league.
In 2006-7, the Packers primary punt returner was Charles Woodson.
In the 2010 playoffs, the Packers primary punt returner was Tramon Williams.
This past year, the Packers' primary return guy was someone they hoped wouldn't turn the ball over or let the ball roll 30 yards by failing to make a fair catch. There was an organizational philosophy that it wasn't something they were going to focus on. Imagine if their punt returner was a guy on the roster that ran a 4.25 40 (Eric Stokes). They didn't think STs snaps were important enough to risk an injury to a core starter. Historically, other teams have had HOF-level defenders and WRs like Deion Sanders, Darrell Green, Charles Woodson, Antonio Brown, and Patrick Peterson return punts. The Packers just haven't done that in the least decade.
I get having a dedicated punt returner if the guy is at the level of Devin Hester or Desmond Howard. But the Packers were content to just concede having any chance of doing anything on 5-6 plays a game. I guess I understand that in the regular season, but why continue with that philosophy in the playoffs?
Hell even LT played on special teams. And he was insanely dominant there as well.
@PackerPatrick posted:So, we are now a tad under the Cap. https://overthecap.com/salary-cap/green-bay-packers/. Of course the team still has to find a way to sign the draft picks.
Trade 'em all away for vets. Worked for the Rams.
@RapSheet: Plot twist: Former #Packers pass-rusher Za'Darius Smith is not signing his deal with the #Ravens after all, sources say. He remains a free agent.
Wonder if the back is still an issue. And the Packers also knew this...
Probably failed the physical.
The Ravens felt like they had a deal with free agent OLB Za'Darius Smith yesterday, felt like they had a verbal agreement.
â Jeff Zrebiec (@jeffzrebiec) March 17, 2022
But Smith changed his mind. You never say never, but it seems unlikely this is salvageable.
@vitaflo posted:Hell even LT played on special teams. And he was insanely dominant there as well.
There's a strong argument that superstar players are likely to be even more dominant on special teams because they tend to be playing against other teams backups.
@MichiganPacker posted:The biggest indication about how much you value special teams is whether you play your starters there. If you are willing to play your starting LBs for ST snaps, you don't need to waste a spot on Burks. The injury risks go up, but the Packers have played their starters less snaps on special teams than any other team in the league.
In 2006-7, the Packers primary punt returner was Charles Woodson.
In the 2010 playoffs, the Packers primary punt returner was Tramon Williams.
This past year, the Packers' primary return guy was someone they hoped wouldn't turn the ball over or let the ball roll 30 yards by failing to make a fair catch. There was an organizational philosophy that it wasn't something they were going to focus on. Imagine if their punt returner was a guy on the roster that ran a 4.25 40 (Eric Stokes). They didn't think STs snaps were important enough to risk an injury to a core starter. Historically, other teams have had HOF-level defenders and WRs like Deion Sanders, Darrell Green, Charles Woodson, Antonio Brown, and Patrick Peterson return punts. The Packers just haven't done that in the least decade.
I get having a dedicated punt returner if the guy is at the level of Devin Hester or Desmond Howard. But the Packers were content to just concede having any chance of doing anything on 5-6 plays a game. I guess I understand that in the regular season, but why continue with that philosophy in the playoffs?
Hopefully that philosophy changes now, and hopefully MLF supports it.
@michiganjoe posted:The Ravens felt like they had a deal with free agent OLB Za'Darius Smith yesterday, felt like they had a verbal agreement.
â Jeff Zrebiec (@jeffzrebiec) March 17, 2022
But Smith changed his mind. You never say never, but it seems unlikely this is salvageable.
If it wasn't a failed physical, then maybe something like this supports the narritive around here that Z wasn't a team player, had attitude problems.
Probably saw what Von Miller signed for.
Buh-bye!
What a dummy! Who's going to pay him more with back injury history?
@Harry Manback posted:If it wasn't a failed physical, then maybe something like this supports the narritive around here that Z wasn't a team player, had attitude problems.
My take on him is that he is just dumb.
@Harry Manback posted:Well, the Rams cut him because he couldn't hold even though he kicked better than Hekker. So it must be more important than we think. Thinking about it, maybe it's not all on No Mo because he couldn't learn it from the Rams either.
The Packers traded for him and gave up a 6th round pick, so essentially they gave up an OL because they usually pick up a guy in the 6th