He's pretty young....I gotta give him more time but he's definitely not doing what the Pack needs from a first rounder.
@PackLandVA posted:I don’t see how everyone isn’t on board with giving up on this guy after 20 games. Two years of college and 1+ year in the pros should definitely be enough time to realize 23 year old has damn near maxed his potential.
The point is, the wait isn't worth the draft capital. By the time he hits his stride, if he does, he will be up for contract 2 and you have burnt through the cheap years with limited production.
In my opinion, that's not the best use of 1st round draft capital.
@michiganjoe posted:Add in the first-rounder from 2021 as well.
Yes. They have gotten nothing out of their first round draft picks from their 2019 (Gary), 2019 (Savage), 2021 (Stokes), 2022 (Walker), 2022 (Wyatt), 2023 (Van Ness) and 2024 (Morgan) that they couldn't have gotten from a mid-level veteran free agent (or even a mininum-level guy in some cases). It's early for Morgan obviously, but it's amazing they are 7-3 without hitting on any one of these picks.
As inconsistent as Love can be, he is the only first round pick in the last 6 years that would be a first round pick if you went back and redrafted those drafts with the benefit of 20/20 hindsight.
@BrainDed posted:The point is, the wait isn't worth the draft capital. By the time he hits his stride, if he does, he will be up for contract 2 and you have burnt through the cheap years with limited production.
In my opinion, that's not the best use of 1st round draft capital.
I understand the point of people disagreeing with the pick/rationale behind the pick. But once the pick was made, I think there just needs to be perspective on how quickly he can adjust to the pros given his limited (but successful) college career.
Rashan Gary was picked similarly, but in that situation, the Packers were one of the better teams in the league with AR, Adams, etc. And instead of looking to get a potentially immediate impact player with the #1 (thru pick or trade), the Packers went with a "future star" based on measurables.
Anyway, I get not loving the strategy behind the pick, or not even liking the pick at all. I just think it's way too early to pan the pick after just 1 1/2 seasons. Young QBs get a break when they have multiple DCs/HCs early in their careers with changing philosophies. LVN is playing his second position with his second scheme in his very short career.
I would say Gary as a draft pick was a solid pick.
Re-signing him shortly after him recovering from a major injury does appear to be a mistake. I think the Pack got fooled by his 1 fluke game vs the Bears post injury thinking he was all the way back. He’s just not the same guy down to down that he was before that injury. He was never elite but he was good, now he’s just average and maybe even a little below average.
I'm willing with the switch this year to the 4-3 to wait one more year for better results -- or at least we should see it from this point out in the season. By now, the vets should be getting the hang of it. Preston had more leverage as a vet and with a high contract, so it was easier to accommodate moving him. As for LVN, I keep thinking of him as a chicken without its head; he senselessly runs around fast and hard, but there's no thought process there. Cox looked okay, but on his sack no one blocked him, Williams had his back to him, and the play was a longer-developing one; I hope any player could get home with those conditions.
In the plays, vs the Bears, that Van Ness was in, he was lined up, a lot, on the right side of the LOS. When Williams ran the ball, he ran away from where Van Ness was lined up. May be that's why Van Ness didn't have any sacks or pressures.
Van Ness just is lacking pass rush moves. Pretty concerning halfway into his 2nd year.
Unless you count running directly into the guy in front of you over and over.
Aren't you guys excited to see what he'll do vs. Trent Williams?!!?! Exciting times 😁
No reason trying to sugar coat the LVN or Musgrave picks. Sometimes you just horribly strike out . Sucks that Peyton Wilson is tearing it up in Pittsburgh.
But Gutey hits more than he misses, with LVN and Musgrave though he was Rob Deer vs a curve ball.
This April we'll go heavy on D again
Van Ness is trending in the wrong direction. He had 24 snaps vs. Bears, while Cox in his first game had 22. As far as Musgrave, don't give up on him yet. He's had some tough luck with injuries.
@mrtundra posted:In the plays, vs the Bears, that Van Ness was in, he was lined up, a lot, on the right side of the LOS. When Williams ran the ball, he ran away from where Van Ness was lined up. May be that's why Van Ness didn't have any sacks or pressures.
Yeah, but impact players find a way to make shit happen. LVN has yet to find that way. I hope he does soon.
@FLPACKER posted:Van Ness is trending in the wrong direction. He had 24 snaps vs. Bears, while Cox in his first game had 22. As far as Musgrave, don't give up on him yet. He's had some tough luck with injuries.
Cox had a TFL on a running play and a sack in his first-ever meaningful playing time. On Monday, MLF hinted he’d get more snaps.
Last season, LVN had 4 sacks mostly through sheer hustle. This season, he is just there. Bear TE Kmet easily sealed him on the long TD run.
LVN might not end up a bust but right now his lack of production at a position of dire need is beyond disappointing.
The fact that Edge Will McDonald (pick 15) has 8 sacks so far this season for the dysfunctional Jets and Christian Gonzalez (pick 17) looks like a very solid CB for New England makes this whiff (so far) at pick 13 all the more painful.
Pack had a perfect opportunity for a meaningful mentor/mentee relationship to make a DIFFERENCE on the dline but let Dean Lowry go
