@Goalline posted:Good chance Gute would have drafted better if his QB wasn’t a big whiny, entitled baby.
Exactly!
As long as he gets 65% of the offensive snaps it's all good.
Aaron Rodgers took a major pay cut on his new deal, which was structured with a 2023 cap number of under $9M. That gives the #Jets flexibility to build around him … and now the top offensive weapon available is coming in for a visit. https://t.co/rzwqEl4LsZ
— Tom Pelissero (@TomPelissero) July 27, 2023
@michiganjoe posted:As long as he gets 65% of the offensive snaps it's all good.
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@Goalline posted:Good chance Gute would have drafted better if his QB wasn’t a big whiny, entitled baby.
Exactly.
If the bad man hadn't been so whiney then Gutey would undoubtedly have done much better at drafting offensive weapons between 2018-2021.
I mean it had to be the entitled baby who forced Gute to select Jace Sternberger one pick before Terry McLaurin and to use his 3rd and 4th round 2021 picks on Amari Rodgers right?
Just think of all those studs Gute would have surely amassed if only he had not been hamstrung by #12 for all those years.
PS Can't wait to hear about how the entitled baby is to be blamed for the Slocum-Zook-Mennenga-Drayton coached Special Teams' disasters.
Better yet, isn't it about time to start putting the blame for the perennially underperforming D since 2011 where it belongs, on the former QB, instead of blaming the defensive coaches and Front Office who were so obviously handicapped by his presence over the past 12 seasons?
Jets pay Cook just to have Rodgers not hand him the ball on 3rd and 1?
Something about an old dog or leopard spots.
@SteveLuke posted:Exactly.
If the bad man hadn't been so whiney then Gutey would undoubtedly have done much better at drafting offensive weapons between 2018-2021.
I mean it had to be the entitled baby who forced Gute to select Jace Sternberger one pick before Terry McLaurin and to use his 3rd and 4th round 2021 picks on Amari Rodgers right?
Just think of all those studs Gute would have surely amassed if only he had not been hamstrung by #12 for all those years.
PS Can't wait to hear about how the entitled baby is to be blamed for the Slocum-Zook-Mennenga-Drayton coached Special Teams' disasters.
Better yet, isn't it about time to start putting the blame for the perennially underperforming D since 2011 where it belongs, on the former QB, instead of blaming the defensive coaches and Front Office who were so obviously handicapped by his presence over the past 12 seasons?
You had to write an essay in response to snark?🤣🤣🤣🤣
@H5 posted:Fram.
Okay, so it looks like Herschel was right. Just a restructure. That’s the only time he’s been right in 82 years. 😊
Previous contract had about $110 million in guaranteed money left.
Jesus fuck. Good thing you are a banker Gline.
110m = 75M now
you should get a job with the government with those mad skills
What’s $35 million to a bank?
@Iowacheese posted:Jesus fuck. Good thing you are a banker Gline.
110m = 75M now
you should get a job with the government with those mad skills
Tat's Jaymo math right there!
@Iowacheese posted:Jesus fuck. Good thing you are a banker Gline.
110m = 75M now
you should get a job with the government with those mad skills
Tell me about it! I should be the secretary of commerce.😂
@Goalline posted:Tell me about it! I should be the secretary of commerce.😂
They must be doing a good job since 99% of the people don't know who it is. Like a good umpire, when they're doing their job right you don't even notice them.
SteveLuke and 13X, brothers from a different mother? It's always the same, Gutey blah blah blah.
@Blair Kiel posted:What’s $35 million to a bank?
A Jr Mgr bonus?
@Chongo posted:Did they ever ask him to?
No, they refused to participate in FA and made some really bad draft picks for a while... then traded up to draft his replacement (3rd round pick is where he may have gone, maybe 4th, absent the Packers pretending other teams were about jump over each other to draft the intercepting leader of the who gives a shit college football conference) without even talking to him about it. So, he popped off 2 back-to-back MVP seasons and took the front office to the woodshed.
They made it clear they didn't want him, so he took everything he could on the way out since all they did was jettison most of his weapons anyway. Now he's twisting the knife by showing them what they could have had if they would have simply made it seem like they actually wanted him on the team in the last 4 years instead of just hoping he would leave.
The person who loses out the most in all of this is MLF. He's an amazing coach with a lot of promise, and may well be a HOFer by the time he's done, but he was spoiled the first few seasons on offence and now it's his job to get a young team without a quarterback to produce Packers-worthy seasons--an almost impossible feat. I wouldn't be surprised if the front office blames him and gets rid of him in the next 3 years, which would rank as one of the dumbest things in the history of the franchise notwithstanding the 2020 draft.
@ammo posted:SteveLuke and 13X, brothers from a different mother? It's always the same, Gutey blah blah blah.
Number 3 just chimed in
@NumberThree posted:The person who loses out the most in all of this is MLF. He's an amazing coach with a lot of promise, and may well be a HOFer by the time he's done, but he was spoiled the first few seasons on offence and now it's his job to get a young team without a quarterback to produce Packers-worthy seasons--an almost impossible feat. I wouldn't be surprised if the front office blames him and gets rid of him in the next 3 years, which would rank as one of the dumbest things in the history of the franchise notwithstanding the 2020 draft.
Every coach is going to have their best and worst qualities, but staffing is top 3 anyway we want to cut it. I was really impressed with MLF's initial staff after being unhappy they didn't retain James Campen, but he badly screwed up making Barry his DC selection and picking Drayton to run STs. He gets either right and there's a chance there's another trophy in the case.
Finances are important for us. We can't (or seemingly won't) keep paying coaches not to coach to upgrade. Those hires are crucial. I'm convinced (admittedly with no proof) they have a strict budget for coaches and it has far more impact to decisions than is generally reported. There was so much defensive coaching talent on the market last offseason and they passed on all of it. It was a glaring need and they whiffed.
I'll be keeping up with this nerd. No one celebrates prematurely like a Jets fan. 
Keep in mind Barry was not the first choice for the job. Leonard really screwed up by not taking that position.
Just my opinion, but it's not just the DC, other teams seems to develop depth on their defensive coaching staff and can promote from within. We get an accomplished coach here and there, but where's the young guy climbing the coaching ladder that all the player's respect and love? I've been following this team for decades and the coach that matches up to that set of traits is few and far between in our program. Feels like a missed opportunity. I get the feeling they'll find religion on this in the next couple years if Love isn't HOF caliber and they try to find an edge by neccesity.
@NumberThree posted:No, they refused to participate in FA and made some really bad draft picks for a while... then traded up to draft his replacement (3rd round pick is where he may have gone, maybe 4th, absent the Packers pretending other teams were about jump over each other to draft the intercepting leader of the who gives a shit college football conference) without even talking to him about it. So, he popped off 2 back-to-back MVP seasons and took the front office to the woodshed.
They made it clear they didn't want him, so he took everything he could on the way out since all they did was jettison most of his weapons anyway. Now he's twisting the knife by showing them what they could have had if they would have simply made it seem like they actually wanted him on the team in the last 4 years instead of just hoping he would leave.
The person who loses out the most in all of this is MLF. He's an amazing coach with a lot of promise, and may well be a HOFer by the time he's done, but he was spoiled the first few seasons on offence and now it's his job to get a young team without a quarterback to produce Packers-worthy seasons--an almost impossible feat. I wouldn't be surprised if the front office blames him and gets rid of him in the next 3 years, which would rank as one of the dumbest things in the history of the franchise notwithstanding the 2020 draft.
Maybe, but most likely not.
For dumbest things in franchise history see Hadl trade, Tony Mandarich, Rich Campbell, Jerry Tagge, Jim Del Gaizo, not making Holgmren HC/GM, making Sherman HC/GM...
I swear if this thread gets to 14 pages, I’m shooting Fedya twice.
Anyone else notice, or concerned with, the increase in "shooting" references from Kiel?
Fedya, hopefully.
For the record, we are talking about rubber band finger guns.
@ammo posted:SteveLuke and 13X, brothers from a different mother? It's always the same, Gutey blah blah blah.
Not everyone blindly drinks the kool-aid. Gute has made some great moves and some not so much. It appears he was a factor in both Davante and 12 wanting to leave. Time will tell if those were the correct decisions. If Love pans out, a lot will be forgotten.
Adams and Rodgers were factors in Adams and Rodgers wanting to leave.
@Blair Kiel posted:I swear if this thread gets to 14 pages, I’m shooting Fedya twice.
Because you're a terrible shot? Once is normally enough, but we'll cut you some slack for the second shot.
@H5 posted:Anyone else notice, or concerned with, the increase in "shooting" references from Kiel?
The ATF will be showing up at his house at any moment now
They’ll definitely find alcohol.
@titmfatied posted:I'll be keeping up with this nerd. No one celebrates ejaculates prematurely like a Jets fan.
FTFY.
@Blair Kiel posted:For the record, we are talking about rubber band finger guns.
A neighbor kid 2 doors down had a Dad who was a carpenter.
When it came to making a downhill racer, we were using whatever scraps of wood we could find. Of course, he showed up with the Cadillac of downhill racers, trimmed out and painted, even!
The same was true when it came to rubber band guns. His Dad made him one that could fire 3 rubber bands, either separately, or all at once. Sanded and varnished, as well.
That neighbors family name was Colt. #the more you know
Close, Shadow.
It was Smith, actually.
Maybe from the family that partnered with Mr. Wesson, of course...
@13X posted:Not everyone blindly drinks the kool-aid. Gute has made some great moves and some not so much. It appears he was a factor in both Davante and 12 wanting to leave. Time will tell if those were the correct decisions. If Love pans out, a lot will be forgotten.
So those that agree with Gutey are drinking Kool-aide and those that don't are telling it like it is. Just so I understand, Gutey convinced Davante he should play with his college roommate and even offered him more money just to make it appear he really wanted him to stay. And it was Gutey who caused 12 to act like a petulant 3 year old whose parents had a new baby and he wanted nothing to do with him. I fully understand now. And the Kool-aide taste's GREAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!