Aaron Rodgers 2023 (?!) Jets Come Back Tracker

@ammo posted:

So those that agree with Gutey are drinking Kool-aide and those that don't are telling it like it is.  Just so I understand, Gutey convinced Davante he should play with his college roommate and even offered him more money just to make it appear he really wanted him to stay.  And it was Gutey who caused 12 to act like a petulant 3 year old whose parents had a new baby and he wanted nothing to do with him.  I fully understand now.  And the Kool-aide taste's GREAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It was reported that Davante soured on negotiating with GB after Gute low balled him. Clearly Rodgers had a rift with Gute as well. I'm not saying it is all Gutes fault and I agree Rodgers is a diva, but it doesn't change the fact that he pissed off two of the best players to ever play their positions on the team (one clearly a generational talent) and both wanted out. Gute was a factor in both of them leaving. In both cases after pissing the players off Gute then went back and offered more money-looking like a fool in both instances.

I'm not saying those that agree with Gute are drinking the kool-aid. I'm saying those that think he can never do wrong are.

And I'm saying you will never be happy

@ammo posted:

SteveLuke and 13X, brothers from a different mother?   It's always the same,  Gutey  blah  blah  blah.

Come on now, don't want to speak for 13X, but I have repeatedly stated that Gute's boss Murph is just as responsible, if not more responsible, for the Pack's failure to get back to another Super Bowl since Murph assumed complete control of the organization.

BTW Ammo, have you announced your Mark Murphy retirement celebration events/dates yet or are you waiting until after the upcoming Super Bowl celebration that Murph promised Packer fans last summer?

Lol or maybe Rodgers and Adams just wanted to move on?  

Fuck Gute!

I will say though I got a lot dumber reading Number Three ramble on about horrible draft or personnel decisions without a mention of 2017.   In the top 3 organizational failures of all time was not taking T J W.  Yet he talks about MLF.  You could fire him 25 times over and hire Rich Kotite and it wouldn’t come close to Kevin goddamn King and Vance Bagel instead.

The good news is 13x and Steve Luke sprinkle enough stupid dust on this thread to keep us interested.

Lord have mercy

@Timmy! posted:

Close, Shadow.
It was Smith, actually.
Maybe from the family that partnered with Mr. Wesson, of course...

My bad. I was never any good with names.

@SteveLuke posted:

BTW Ammo, have you announced your Mark Murphy retirement celebration events/dates yet or are you waiting until after the upcoming Super Bowl celebration that Murph promised Packer fans last summer?

I propose a "Murphy's Law" theme.  If it can go wrong it will ...........  But I never studied law so I will need some help.  One thing I know - all things are possible to those who don't have to do anything. 

@Shadow posted:

My bad. I was never any good with names.

Maybe Tschmack can help you out here. Vance Bagel= Vince Biegel...

@13X posted:

It was reported that Davante soured on negotiating with GB after Gute low balled him. Clearly Rodgers had a rift with Gute as well. I'm not saying it is all Gutes fault and I agree Rodgers is a diva, but it doesn't change the fact that he pissed off two of the best players to ever play their positions on the team (one clearly a generational talent) and both wanted out. Gute was a factor in both of them leaving. In both cases after pissing the players off Gute then went back and offered more money-looking like a fool in both instances.

I'm not saying those that agree with Gute are drinking the kool-aid. I'm saying those that think he can never do wrong are.

Pobody's nerfect.

Takes two to tango.

I wonder how much a factor MiLF was in Rodgers deciding to leave.

During family weekend before Favre was traded, he spent 9+ hours with McCarthy and only about 90 minutes with Thompson. Thompson made the move, but I'm fairly certain McCarthy had input after those 9 hrs...

I don't know of any player who is overjoyed dealing with a GM, especially a player toward the end of their career. Whether it's about respect or money or personalities, they just clash. I am okay with Gute lowballing a contract, especially when Adams made it clear he wanted to go to Vegas. Gute adjusted to offer him top dollar, and Adams still said no. It's common to hear players gripe about being lowballed; it wasn't invented by Gute.

With Rodgers, it was more of a personality clash. He simply used his two MVPs to get the top contract, and then he was done. Why Rodgers didn't force a trade or a release or just play out his contract and become a FA sooner is a bit of a mystery, other than he wanted the money he knew GB would pay. In some ways, it makes me think he didn't mind playing in GB, but then his attitude said otherwise.

I don't think Rodgers ever got over being called out on his vaccination lies.  Enjoy New York, buddy.

He says " he's having a blast now. Let's see how much of a blast he's having after a couple of tough losses and the NY fan base , tabloids and press get ahold of him.

Its going to be hilarious when the NYC sports media calls him out when he has one of his pouting episodes. 

Good luck with that

@wendellfp:  Billy Turner is the #Jets starting LT at this point

Only game I'm rooting for Rodgers and the Jets will be against the Broncos.  Sean Payton is such a smug jerk and his comments last week just affirm that.  Denver media's response to it was all "Sean's playing chess, everyone else is playing checkers", "expert motivator, pushing all the right buttons", and "he has his team's back, so smart".  Dude could shoot someone at the 50 yard line on game day and he media would only love him more. 

Payton and McCarthy were the same coach from 2006 through 2017.  McCarthy is seen as an overrated idiot that couldn't coach his way out of a paper bag and Payton is a genius. 

@ilcuqui posted:

Good luck with that

@wendellfp:  Billy Turner is the #Jets starting LT at this point

Ah shit, that’s going to threaten Rodgers ability to hit 65%.

@Goalline posted:

Ah shit, that’s going to threaten Rodgers ability to hit 65%.

🤔

@ilcuqui posted:

Good luck with that

@wendellfp:  Billy Turner is the #Jets starting LT at this point

Pretty certain Billy will NOT be the starting LT come week 1. Duane Brown hasn’t practiced yet, and the Jets are easing Benton into the rotation.

@13X posted:

I think he wanted to always be a Packer and he may have gave GB the same discounts had it not been for the drafting of Love and the rift with Gutekunst. No one will ever know for sure but I think Gutekunst ruined any chance of 12 considering such offers in GB

I don't blame Gutey for drafting Love, even though it sounds like Love was a reach at that spot.  AR looked like he was in serious decline, and it never hurts to pull the trigger on a QB if you think that QB is worth the shot.  Ron Wolf did it all the time.

As for AR, it's none of AR's fucking business who the team drafts.  That's not AR's job.  He doesn't spend his entire life going over tape of players at the collegiate level like Gute and his staff do.  AR seems to have developed a bit of a diva attitude himself over the years, and he always thought he was the smartest guy in the room.  Glad we got rid of him, I was over him two years ago when I thought we should have traded him to Denver.

That said, I think Gutey's greatest success has come with free agents so far, but I'm excited to see this year how his draft from three years ago turns out.

Yes, his pickups on Defense (Douglas, Campbell, Ford, Nixon) look great.

@PackerRick posted:

Keep in mind Barry was not the first choice for the job. Leonard really screwed up by not taking that position.

I'm not a Barry fan, but but I'm not sure why some members of the board were so high on Leonard either.  Barry was a head scratcher.  He really had no success at all as a coordinator, and then we found out why the last two seasons.  He's a good linebackers coach, but defensive coordinator may be above him his abilities.  I would have taken a shot at Brian Flores when he became available, and there have been other talented DC's available when Barry was stinking up the place.

@Goalline posted:

Ah shit, that’s going to threaten Rodgers ability to hit 65%.

Billy Turnstyle will have his back.

@YATittle posted:

Yes, his pickups on Defense (Douglas, Campbell, Ford, Nixon) look great.

Not to mention Amos and the Smith brothers.

@Harry Manback posted:

I don't blame Gutey for drafting Love, even though it sounds like Love was a reach at that spot.  AR looked like he was in serious decline, and it never hurts to pull the trigger on a QB if you think that QB is worth the shot.  Ron Wolf did it all the time.

I don't blame Gute for taking a QB either.  There was some uncertainty on Rodgers and if he  was starting to decline and he definitely wasn't getting any younger.  I also seem to remember that Gute said that if there is a QB they liked in the draft he wouldn't hesitate to take one. 

You are correct about Wolf.  He said many times that you take a QB almost every draft. 

I'll take a hypothetical: if Gute didn't draft Love, it would be 50-50 if Rodgers were still playing four years later. Rodgers was looking like he was definitely on the decline for a couple years before Gute took Love. It was only after taking Love that Rodgers was spurred to reinvest in himself and the team and become the two-time MVP. Without Love as a serious challenge, Rodgers would have coasted.

I agree with Wolf to take a QB if you like him, and it doesn't have to be a first-round like. With Favre, GB would draft, develop, and trade QBs. Wolf always had someone in the wings to provide competition as well as future draft capital if the starter's performance was still high. It's good that Gute took Clifford, as I don't want to see Love get too complacent.

What a fucking prick!

.@AaronRodgers12 on @packers: "That chapter is closed...for now." 🤔

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— Up & Adams (@UpAndAdamsShow) July 31, 2023

I guessed I missed the “Fucking Prick” part

@Chongo posted:

What a fucking prick!

.@AaronRodgers12 on @packers: "That chapter is closed...for now." 🤔

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— Up & Adams (@UpAndAdamsShow) July 31, 2023

I can't wait for 2038 when Hall of Famer Jordan Love gets traded to the Jets....

@Dr._Bob posted:

I don't think Rodgers ever got over being called out on his vaccination lies.  Enjoy New York, buddy.

He's immunized, Doc. 😁

@YooperPackfan posted:

I guessed I missed the “Fucking Prick” part

Goldie wants his "Fucking Prick".

How much wine have you had Fedster?

Not enough.

I peg you as a white guy.

I won't kink shame you for being into pegging, but you're not pegging me.

This appears to be getting into code talk that I don’t understand…or want to.

@Harry Manback posted:

I'm not a Barry fan, but but I'm not sure why some members of the board were so high on Leonard either.  Barry was a head scratcher.  He really had no success at all as a coordinator, and then we found out why the last two seasons.  He's a good linebackers coach, but defensive coordinator may be above him his abilities.  I would have taken a shot at Brian Flores when he became available, and there have been other talented DC's available when Barry was stinking up the place.

Flores would have been a good hire. Evero was a finalist with Barry - MLF went with Barry.  Again this off-season Evero was available after doing great work in Denver. Carolina hired him.

@CUPackFan posted:

Sean Payton is such a smug jerk and his comments last week just affirm that. 

I'll never forget a game the Packers were playing against the Saints. The Packers are losing by 24 late in the 4th quarter, get a TD, and go for and convert the 2 point conversion. The Saints get the ball and come right down the field scoring a TD making it a 22 point lead. Payton goes for the 2 point conversion. Some speculated he did it because he was pissed off at the Packers for hiring McCarthy when he really wanted the job and that was a revenge move.

@Harry Manback posted:

I'm not a Barry fan, but but I'm not sure why some members of the board were so high on Leonard either.  Barry was a head scratcher.  He really had no success at all as a coordinator, and then we found out why the last two seasons.  He's a good linebackers coach, but defensive coordinator may be above him his abilities.  I would have taken a shot at Brian Flores when he became available, and there have been other talented DC's available when Barry was stinking up the place.

I'm not endorsing Leonard, although he probably would have been better than Barry. I just said he really screwed up not taking the Packer DC job. Look where he is now. Probably not where he wants to be.

@YooperPackfan posted:

I guessed I missed the “Fucking Prick” part

I thought this thread was supposed to be for outrage about 12