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Quarterback Matthew Stafford has been sacked 17 times in his past three games, two of them losses, and he himself is beaten up with hamstring and ankle injuries. Replacement left tackle Greg Robinson has struggled and was benched during Sunday’s game against the New Orleans Saints.

With guard T.J. Lang (back) already sidelined, it got ugly when right tackle Rick Wagner was banged up. For the game, Stafford had nine passes batted down at or behind the line of scrimmage. The Lions also finished the game without safety Glover Quin (concussion) and receiver Golden Tate (shoulder).

The Lions’ upcoming bye week will help some of those players get back on the field. But when the franchise quarterback has taken a beating six games into the season, in part because of an injury-ravaged offensive line, it’s a situation worth monitoring.

Blair Kiel posted:
bvan posted:

Why is Aaron's "G" backwards ?

Gordon Hayward took the picture.

Too soon?

A few years ago I watched my High School alma mater play in a NYS playoff game in Buffalo.  Early in the game, our nose tackle ends up laying on the turf with his ankle pointing 90 degrees to the side, just like Hayward's.  The crowd was sickened and an ambulance wheeled the kid away.  Here's the weirder part, Late in the game, the kid who replaced him chases down a play, is part of the tackle, and ends up on his hands and knees with his ankle bent the same way.  Both kids dislocated their ankles and fractured their tibias.   

It sounds like surgery will accelerate healing and let No. 12 get back before the end of the season. This begs the question: Why hasn't a surgery date been set yet? Better yet, why hasn't the surgery already taken place?

The longer surgery is delayed, the more weeks he misses. You would think this would have been an immediate surgery type of deal, right? As more time passes, it makes me think the injury is much worse than we think.

Agree with both of you, the only reason I'm puzzled is because they've already determined he needs surgery and I'm not sure what there is about a collarbone surgery that would make you wait.

One thing I'm fairly confident in is that there are no bone pieces or shattering from the injury, because (from personal experience and consultations) that always necessitates immediately surgery to take care of. But then you have MM labeling it as "significant" with no follow-up. What the heck do I know, I'm just a guy with a keyboard.

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RochNyFan posted:
Blair Kiel posted:
bvan posted:

Why is Aaron's "G" backwards ?

Gordon Hayward took the picture.

Too soon?

A few years ago I watched my High School alma mater play in a NYS playoff game in Buffalo.  Early in the game, our nose tackle ends up laying on the turf with his ankle pointing 90 degrees to the side, just like Hayward's.  The crowd was sickened and an ambulance wheeled the kid away.  Here's the weirder part, Late in the game, the kid who replaced him chases down a play, is part of the tackle, and ends up on his hands and knees with his ankle bent the same way.  Both kids dislocated their ankles and fractured their tibias.   

I had a 2 story fall from a ladder  about 15 months ago.    Fractured tibia and fibula near the joint.    It's not fun looking down at your foot just hanging there.   The shock only last a few minutes, then its pain time.   The little dose of morphine that the medics give you doesn't do anything.   It's not until they hit  you with the good dose at the hospital that you can start thinking about anything else.   Then months of not being able to put weight on it.

I pissed in a jug and hosed myself off outside for showers for the first couple weeks because it was easier and less risky than getting in a shower.   I didn't take a dump for 2 weeks because of the opiods.    Trying to push out a pint glass sized turd with the consistency of concrete while keeping one leg in the air was a unique experience.  

Six months without attempting to walk and then 6 months of rehab.  Got about 70% motion back.   

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NumberThree posted:

One thing I'm fairly confident in is that there are no bone pieces or shattering from the injury, because (from personal experience and consultations) that always necessitates immediately surgery to take care of.

I'm no medical professional, but my experience was different.   I had lots of fragments and they put me in an external fixator for two weeks before doing the surgery.   I was told they wanted swelling to go down first because it makes it less likely for nerve or muscle damage.  

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I asked our trauma orthopedist about surgery.  He told me that unless the bone is broken out by the shoulder or tenting the skin (pressure sore) there really is no need for surgery and if its near the shoulder can simply excise the fragment.  His experience has been the plate is bulky and always has to come out and at the end of the plate the bone acutally gets weak and can break easier the next time.  He did say there is a new fixation technique that involves putting a rod/pin on the inside of the bone (into the marrow canal basically) that shows some promise.   Very much like we do with the Jones fractures by placing the screw inside the bone rather than run the risk of hardware irritation down the road.

His best guess is that they are still trying to figure out what is best for not really this year but the following YEARS.

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I have more experience with broken bones than anybody here, unfortunately. Last was three years ago this summer; I was a dummy, half-jogged down the carpeted stairs at my folks' house. I slipped on the landing, did a cartoon flip (complete with high-pitched "whoop" in mid-air), and landed on my left leg, shattering the femur into six pieces. I've broken almost everything at one time or another, and would just get a ride to the hospital. This time, I couldn't move. Leg swelled to twice its normal size. Ambulance took me to the emergency room, and they immediately went to work, worrying about an embolism being loosed from breaking the biggest bone in the human body. I spent three-and-a-half weeks in two hospitals (the second a rehab hospital where I learned to walk again); the point? We don't know everything that's going on with ARod. I developed sepsis a day after the five hour plus surgery to put a foot long titanium plate in my leg. I had an infectious disease doctor put me in ICU, and quarantine, and they tried one antibiotic after another. They thought the sepsis was under control when my fever broke, so they shipped me to the rehab hospital. My fever shot up to over 104, and my wbc was (from memory) 24,000 +. I had to get shipped back to the first hospital immediately by ambulance. 

I see that he's now had the surgery, but saying it's simply "a broken collarbone" is an oversimplification of what could be a vastly more complex injury. There could be some type of complication, either an infection, or simply, a bad cold that they'd delay going in if they could. There could be soft tissue swelling that necessitated abating before they would cut him. We know nothing about his medical history. My father had a case of malignant hyperthermia when he sliced his finger as a child, so they have to be very careful, because of my family history, with anesthesia. I've never had any issue, myself, but perhaps Aaron has, or a family member has. So many possible things that could explain the delay-even a simple second opinion. My two orthopedic surgeons are both conservative with their treatment approaches. But I'm not a professional athlete. As has been previously alluded to, they're looking at what's best for Aaron Rodgers long term, not just this season. If the right approach were to just allow him to heal, that's what they would do. A good surgeon won't go into the OR with a patient just for the hell of it. There needs to be compelling reason(s) to do so, because obviously any surgical procedure has inherent risks. 

Whatever the surgery was, it was the best choice for him. All I know, from experience, is that he's going to be very uncomfortable sleeping for the next few weeks. 

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