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MT @calvinwatkins: It doesn't look good for WR Dwayne Harris or LB Bruce Carter for game. Both have hamstring injuries.

 

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RODGERS: “I don’t feel like I need a ton of reps (to get ready)… I know this offense pretty well. Just a matter of getting a few reps."

 

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To recap, Rodgers said he had pain after practicing last Wednesday and more or less shut it down for the week. Will try again tomorrow.

 

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RODGERS: “Tough to not be out there with the guys. Obviously, easier this week to see us win a game. Tough to not be out there.”

 

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RODGERS: “It’s very frustrating. It’s a waiting game. I’m obviously trying to push it to come back before science tells you is possible."

 

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RODGERS: “It’s different (standing and throwing) than moving around (taking snaps and giving handoffs). “

 

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RODGERS: “There is a lot of variables in this, the scan being one of them. That paired w/ pain I experienced at practice kept me out…”

 

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RODGERS: “I’m going to practice tomorrow and try and do some of the things I did last week without pain.”

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Rodgers said he experienced too much pain last week to be cleared

Green Bay - Packers QB Aaron Rodgers said that when he tried to practice last week, he experienced too much pain just doing basic drills in order to be cleared to play and that he did not make much progress.

 

Speaking on his radio show on 540 ESPN Milwaukee, Rodgers said that if he were ready to play there wouldn't be pain in his left shoulder and that it was clear he wasn't ready.

"I shouldn't be having pain doing simple movements," Rodgers said. "It didn't get better as the week went on. I tried a lot on Wednesday, it didn't feel good."

 

In addition to having the pain when he worked out, Rodgers said the scan he underwent did not show enough healing in the fractured area of his left collarbone and that practice confirmed that he wasn't ready to play. He said he did not know if he would have to have another scan in order to be cleared to play.

 

"It wasn’t a progression last week," Rodgers said. "I didn’t get better as the week went on.”

 

He said the plan is for him to practice again Wednesday and see if he is still experiencing pain. 

 

“I’m going to practice tomorrow and try and do some of the things I did last week without pain," Rodgers said. "There are a lot of variables in this, the scan being one of them. That paired with pain I experienced at practice kept me out.

 

“It’s very frustrating. It’s a waiting game. I’m obviously trying to push it to come back before science tells you is possible. You don't see people coming back in four or five weeks from this injury."

 

This was the least optimistic that Rodgers has sounded since he started working out in practice two weeks ago. He is a little over five weeks

removed from the injury, which occured against the Chicago Bears Nov. 4. It will be six weeks on Sunday when the Packers play the Dallas Cowboys at Texas Stadium.


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I wonder if getting that win is making it a little easier for him to accept his limitations? I got the sense he was feeling a lot of urgency to return because the team was on a major skid, but maybe with the win he's feeling a little more confident in his teammates and doesn't feel the urgency to rush back.

I'm with Goalline.  Rodgers' (and likely the Packers' too) is done.  It just frustrates the living daylights out of me the way MM plays games with us regarding injuries.  I really have no respect for somebody who won't be honest and tell the truth.

Originally Posted by Stevie:

I'm with Goalline.  Rodgers' (and likely the Packers' too) is done.  It just frustrates the living daylights out of me the way MM plays games with us regarding injuries.  I really have no respect for somebody who won't be honest and tell the truth.


Subterfuge and gamesmanship comes with the territory when you coach at the highest level. Why do you take it so personally? It's not a specific slight aimed at you directly.

Originally Posted by section19:
Originally Posted by Stevie:

I'm with Goalline.  Rodgers' (and likely the Packers' too) is done.  It just frustrates the living daylights out of me the way MM plays games with us regarding injuries.  I really have no respect for somebody who won't be honest and tell the truth.


Subterfuge and gamesmanship comes with the territory when you coach at the highest level. Why do you take it so personally? It's not a specific slight aimed at you directly.

The answer to that is  pretty simple.  First, I do not take it personally and nothing I said suggested that.  Second, I hate liars - period.  Just because something is a common practice doesn't make it right.  My standards are a lot higher than that.

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That joke keeps coming back, a Packer had a minor injury the funeral is in 2 days.

Rodgers was hurt worse most thought. I suspect Rodgers at first did not accept very well what  the Doctors were telling him. 

The Packers did not do anything wrong, they never said exactly how bad he was hurt and when he would return. A lot of people in the media were speculating on when he would return. Apparently everyone was too optimistic about his recovery time.

Letting Rodgers come to the conclusion he was hurt worse t hen he thought was  the best way to handle Rodgers desire to play.

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It is not gamesmanship when you don't fool anybody. When your pattern is so clear, like a tell in poker, it becomes a liability and is the opposite of effective gamesmanship.

Can someone explain why they make so much money?  Playoffs are on the line and a division championship. If he re-injures collarbone he has the entire offseason to get better. This isn't a career ending injury we are talking about. Sounds heartless I know but millions of dollars are paid for him to play. Especially now after hearing for a week how much he wants to play. Is it pain or the medical staff keeping him out. Tired of bull****, play or shut up.

Originally Posted by Brak:

McCarthy is a liar and a whore!

 

I don't think anyone caused me to laugh easier than Chris Farley.  He could just make a face and I would be in stitches.

Man, sure wish he wasn't gone...

Maybe, just maybe, the medical staff has the player's best interest in mind. And maybe, just maybe, the Packers have no idea when the collarbone will heal. Maybe it will heal this week or maybe it will heal in mid-January. The Packers never put a timeline on Rodgers return and have said week in and week out that Rodgers will return when he passes all the "tests". If they are in a position to make the postseason at that time, you can be sure as hell Rodgers will be under center. What's the point of putting him in IR if there's that hope? So GB can add another player to their stout defense? Bottom-line, the situation has been pretty clear from the beginning. If you can't bear to live through the grueling weekly updates then become a Seattle fan. Then you can be guaranteed your post season experience and join the fan base next year. We'll take you back.

In this case, I really truly don't think they are playing games.  I just think maybe they hoped Rodgers was an extremely fast healer and unfortunately, that doesn't seem to be the case.

 

There's no doubt that McCarthy does like to play games and such in terms of divulging injury info, but I don't think what's happening with Rodgers is one of them.  I think he wants Rodgers back more than anybody, but isn't going to be stupid about it and let him come back with a risk of doing greater damage by coming back too soon.  He's at the mercy of those scans and how Rodgers feels just like anyone else.

It just pisses me off how poorly Flynn sees the field (all the reports of Packer receivers running wide open unnoticed) and how McCarthy's play calling hasn't put him on the move, with rollouts or anything else to help him make better decisions. The Dallas secondary is trash. Help him cut it up MM.

And I really would say a big eff you for those who question Rodger's toughness. Without getting on my knees mouth wide open, AR has had his deficiencies in GB since taking over, but physical and mental toughness doesn't come to mind.

MM's never been particularly transparent about injuries but calling him a liar seems a bit harsh. It's a medical decision and I doubt either he or AR has any real definitive idea about a time frame.

 

It's win with Flynn and it'll also require a strong effort from the Packer defense.

Originally Posted by FreeSafety:

It is not gamesmanship when you don't fool anybody. When your pattern is so clear, like a tell in poker, it becomes a liability and is the opposite of effective gamesmanship.

When is Rodgers going to play, then?  If it's so simple, how come nobody knows if he's going to play this week, next week, two weeks from now or next September?  

 

If it's such a tell, then tell us when we will see him back on the field.

Originally Posted by FreeSafety:

It is not gamesmanship when you don't fool anybody. When your pattern is so clear, like a tell in poker, it becomes a liability and is the opposite of effective gamesmanship.

 

Are you talking about the Packer's reporting on injuries or their 3rd and short play calling?

 

 

Originally Posted by El-Ka-Bong:
Originally Posted by Stevie:

  I really have no respect for somebody who won't be honest and tell the truth.

 

How many times a week do you masturbate?

Is too many to count actually a lie?

@jasonjwilde: Breaking news on @JCTretter. RT @packers: #Packers activated C/G JC Tretter from P.U.P. and placed WR Myles White on injured reserve.

 

This is interesting.  Not just that Tretter might be showing something, but also that White can go down.  Perhaps Cobb is further along than recent media suggests.

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Originally Posted by El-Ka-Bong:

how is not telling us more detailed information about guys like Cobb and Rodgers a liability?

I am not talking about just these two examples taken alone.

 

If you consider MM's injury information style gamesmanship, (I don't)  it is a liability to always, always, always have players return from injury much later than expected or rumored. Never earlier.

 

I personally don't think he is trying to fool other teams. I don't think he has a strategy of gamesmanship with his injury information. I think he just has a policy of releasing very little information. 

 

My argument is with those that think what MM does is somehow an advantage for the Packers and that he is employing some kind of effective gamesmanship that keeps other teams guessing. The Packers next opponent knows fairly early in the week who they will be facing on gameday. As opposed to some of the game time decisions where a player returns earlier than expected, at least once in a while.

 

Remember when Reggie White would come back from an injury earlier than expected? I think that had a psychological advantage for the Packers and could be considered effective gamesmanship.

 

JMO IMO IMHO

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