quote:they aren't even willing to let nance play against the lions. what does that tell you?
that he hasn't digested the playbook yet.
that he hasn't digested the playbook yet.
that he hasn't digested the playbook yet.
Pete Carrol has always been a good judge of character. I'm still pissed we didn't trade that third round pick to the Phins for Ted Ginn to return kick offs.
quote:There is no way two guys changing up their roles in the offense will get better as they play the position week in and week out.
I'm including Nance and Starks as part of the season long progress.
Some say I'm a dreamer.
quote:Originally posted by NJWIS:
they aren't even willing to let nance play against the lions. what does that tell you?
That they thought they could win without Nance? Guess what...they were right. Nance still probably has a minimum grasp of the playbook, and he was suited up as an insurance policy.
Meh. I'm "whatever" on this... Could have helped, but also could have been a "not Packer People" distraction and mediocre on the field. I wish Ted was a tad more active in FA, but I don't think this team has too much to complain about.
quote:Originally posted by Wisconsin Johnson:quote:Originally posted by beef:
but if he wises up it could be a cedric benson like deal.
Benson was signed as a free agent with no guaranteed money by Cincy. There was no risk. Hardly the same as trading away picks for Lynch. Need a better analogy, Beef.
It's a good player to player analogy. That is what he is going with, not the exact circumstance. Although - minimal risk vs. free agent... that's close enough.
quote:Originally posted by GBFanForLife:
Is it Ted's job not to let down the fans?
Yes, more so than any other team, when the fans and the city are your boss!!
quote:Originally posted by Diggr14:quote:Originally posted by GBFanForLife:quote:Originally posted by GBFanForLife:
Is it Ted's job not to let down the fans?
No one answered the question
The answer is no. However, it's not like the fans are clueless that our run game blows pole. It is quite evident. So your feel good question that implies that "ted is always right" is ludacris.
I feel good about 2011 and 2012 though, we are in good position to rebuild and rebuild and rebuild.
Where does it say Ted is always right? The fans can believe the run game is junk all they want. It sucks that Grant got hurt. No one knows what went on between the Buffalo GM and Ted or the Seattle GM and Buffalo. But if BSPN says Ted screwed up, it has to be true.
quote:Originally posted by Wisconsin Johnson:quote:Originally posted by NJWIS:
they aren't even willing to let nance play against the lions. what does that tell you?
That they thought they could win without Nance? Guess what...they were right. Nance still probably has a minimum grasp of the playbook, and he was suited up as an insurance policy.
i really need to realize that a large population here will defend TT no matter what.
if the guy can't pick up 10 plays within 3 weeks he is probably too stupid to play in McCarthy's system.
quote:Originally posted by Diggr14:
This is a fireable offense. Thompson is not ready for primetime.
Look, I wanted Lynch here too. But, c'mon, fireable offense?
thinks you're being overly dramatic here.
quote:Originally posted by Legacy:
I wish Ted was a tad more active in FA, but I don't think this team has too much to complain about.
The team no, but the fans seem to.
quote:Originally posted by Diggr14:quote:Originally posted by Wisconsin Johnson:quote:Originally posted by beef:
but if he wises up it could be a cedric benson like deal.
Benson was signed as a free agent with no guaranteed money by Cincy. There was no risk. Hardly the same as trading away picks for Lynch. Need a better analogy, Beef.
It's a good player to player analogy. That is what he is going with, not the exact circumstance. Although - minimal risk vs. free agent... that's close enough.
Minimal risk? BS. Look at what the Packers have done with 2nd, 3rd, 4th draft picks. You are so obviously out of your league here. Get back to the deep fryer.
quote:Originally posted by bandit:quote:Originally posted by GBFanForLife:
Is it Ted's job not to let down the fans?
Yes, more so than any other team, when the fans and the city are your boss!!
I really hope that was sarcasm otherwise you are delusional. He doesn't work to appease the fans, if he did, this team would be in a shambles.
quote:Where does it say Ted is always right?
Read the board some time. While I do believe TT has done a fine job in GB he is not above criticism. However, when someone criticizes him on this board they are more often than not ripped. If he had a resume' with 3 SB appearances and a couple victories I could understand. But, the fact remains they've won 1 playoff game in his 5+ year tenure in GB.
quote:i really need to realize that a large population here will defend TT no matter what.
if the guy can't pick up 10 plays within 3 weeks he is probably too stupid to play in McCarthy's system.
personally, I'm supporting the GBP, not TT.
and it isn't the plays, it's the blocking assignments. remember, we're a pass first offense.
quote:Originally posted by Henry:quote:Originally posted by Tdog:
this thread should be quite entertaining four months from now.
Lynch is not a RB savior. I feel quite confident in that.
The running game, per usual, is just in its infancy this season.
The sky is not falling.
Dude! There is no way two guys changing up their roles in the offense will get better as they play the position week in and week out. Never heard of such a thing.
I understand what you are saying. Hopefully Jackson and Kuhn will continue to improve. But we've seen Jackson for a few years now. I think we have a good idea of his level of talent. My assessment: great 3rd down back, who is solid picking up the blitz. I just don't see him as an NFL-caliber starting RB.
We don't know quite as much about Kuhn. He has impressed me running between the tackles. Can he be the starting RB and effectively carry the ball 20-25 times? I hope so, but I wouldn't put money on it.
quote:Originally posted by The GBP Rules:quote:Where does it say Ted is always right?
Read the board some time. While I do believe TT has done a fine job in GB he is not above criticism. However, when someone criticizes him on this board they are more often than not ripped. If he had a resume' with 3 SB appearances and a couple victories I could understand. But, the fact remains they've won 1 playoff game in his 5+ year tenure in GB.
bingo sooner or later the piper has to be paid. that shiny ferrari that is in the shop all the time loses its luster after a while.
i think this is my last year as a TT supporter if they don't go deep.
the NFL is too even right now to not go for the jugular when you have the team to do it. And TT is missing 2 pieces right now.
quote:Originally posted by NJWIS:quote:Originally posted by Wisconsin Johnson:quote:Originally posted by NJWIS:
they aren't even willing to let nance play against the lions. what does that tell you?
That they thought they could win without Nance? Guess what...they were right. Nance still probably has a minimum grasp of the playbook, and he was suited up as an insurance policy.
i really need to realize that a large population here will defend TT no matter what.
if the guy can't pick up 10 plays within 3 weeks he is probably too stupid to play in McCarthy's system.
Yes that's it, he's too stoopid. You'd probably be the first to bitch when Nance blows a blitz pick up that knocks Rodgers out of the game. Go join Diggr at the deep fryer.
quote:Originally posted by El-Ka-Bong:
Pete Carrol has always been a good judge of character.
quote:Originally posted by The GBP Rules:quote:Where does it say Ted is always right?
Read the board some time. While I do believe TT has done a fine job in GB he is not above criticism. However, when someone criticizes him on this board they are more often than not ripped. If he had a resume' with 3 SB appearances and a couple victories I could understand. But, the fact remains they've won 1 playoff game in his 5+ year tenure in GB.
Agree 100%. He also had the third best record in the division going into this season during his tenure.
quote:Originally posted by Wisconsin Johnson:
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Yes that's it, he's too stoopid. You'd probably be the first to bitch when Nance blows a blitz pick up that knocks Rodgers out of the game. Go join Diggr at the deep fryer.
don't be a dick. how about a few running plays to test him out? it was detroit after all not the bears or patriots.
quote:Originally posted by bandit:quote:Originally posted by GBFanForLife:
Is it Ted's job not to let down the fans?
Yes, more so than any other team, when the fans and the city are your boss!!
Was this sarcasm?
quote:Originally posted by The GBP Rules:quote:Where does it say Ted is always right?
Read the board some time. While I do believe TT has done a fine job in GB he is not above criticism. However, when someone criticizes him on this board they are more often than not ripped. If he had a resume' with 3 SB appearances and a couple victories I could understand. But, the fact remains they've won 1 playoff game in his 5+ year tenure in GB.
Someone was responding to a quote from me. I never said he was always right. The majority of the criticism is so off the wall it is borderline insanity. No one really knows what goes on in the inner workings of being a GM for an NFL team. I'm sure Ted isn't just sitting there with a magic 8-ball making his decisions.
quote:Originally posted by barrister:
I don't care about those teams. I'm talking about the 2010 Packers. But for the record, every one of them had a better RB situation than the Packers' duo of Jackson/Kuhn.
Really?
Please go look at Willie Parker's stats for 2008. Not 2004. 2008. Willie Parker was a joke and a complete non-factor for most of that year. What exactly did Addai do last year? Nothing better than our running game right now.
Antwain Smith? Pierre Thomas? A washed up Edgerrin James? Please.
quote:I know that we are a pass-first team. That is obvious. If you aren't willing to acknowledge that an upgrade to Lynch at RB would help this team win the Super Bowl, I can't help you...you're living in denial.
An upgrade at RB doesn't fix our DL. It doesn't address the fact that our LBs can't cover a TE. It doesn't address the injuries in the DB. It doesn't fix out Special Teams.
Let's also keep this in mind.
Only 3 teams in the NFL have scored more points than this half assed offense with "no" running game. No NFC has scored more points. This is a dominant offense. Today. Without Lynch. With Lynch, it's slightly better perhaps.
And our defense and our special teams still has issues.
And, taking emotions out of this, those areas are going to determine how far we go in the playoffs FAR more than whatever upgrade Lynch offers over Jackson and Kuhn.
Hey, they must really believe in Nance and Starks like Tdog says. We know exactly what we have in Kuhn and Jackson - we know this will place us between 28th and 32nd in the NFL in rushing with those two. Logically, by not pulling this deal you'd have to assume that they really feel good about Nance or Starks.
I am going to retract the "fireable offense" statement - yeah, it's over the top for one deal. Not the first time or last that I've said something a little over the top! However, im very upset about the propencity that Ted has shown in not wanting to make a low risk deal for a former proven pro-bowl (or close to) quality player with high upside to our team.
Moss
Gonzalez
Lynch
I am going to retract the "fireable offense" statement - yeah, it's over the top for one deal. Not the first time or last that I've said something a little over the top! However, im very upset about the propencity that Ted has shown in not wanting to make a low risk deal for a former proven pro-bowl (or close to) quality player with high upside to our team.
Moss
Gonzalez
Lynch
quote:Originally posted by TD:quote:Originally posted by El-Ka-Bong:
Pete Carrol has always been a good judge of character.
Well their GM learned at the feet of TT so I guess he isn't either?
quote:how about a few running plays to test him out?
that's great... as long as Rodgers doesn't check out of it.
quote:He also had the third best record in the division going into this season during his tenure.
quote:Originally posted by The GBP Rules:quote:Where does it say Ted is always right?
Read the board some time. While I do believe TT has done a fine job in GB he is not above criticism. However, when someone criticizes him on this board they are more often than not ripped. If he had a resume' with 3 SB appearances and a couple victories I could understand. But, the fact remains they've won 1 playoff game in his 5+ year tenure in GB.
+1.
It is amazing how far some will go to make excuses for every move that TT makes (or doesn't). One can have confidence in TT and appreciate his work in GB, but still acknowledge when he makes a mistake or question a specific move. It does not make one a bad Packer fan. TT is not beyond reproach.
quote:Originally posted by NJWIS:
And TT is missing 2 pieces right now.
What are they?
quote:Originally posted by GBFanForLife:
Is it Ted's job not to let down the fans?
Yes. Fans want SuperBowls.
quote:Originally posted by Diggr14:
However, im very upset about the propencity that Ted has shown in not wanting to make a low risk deal for a former proven pro-bowl (or close to) quality player with high upside to our team.
HAHALMFAO....yep Chuck Woodson doesn't count. Just more dum dum.
All of those teams that you are mentioning CA run the ball as a team much better than we do. If you are comparing Joseph Addai, a washed up Edge+hightower, or Pierre Thomas et al. to our current class of HBs.. you are seriously uniformed. Our guys are not in that class of HB (and as you point out they arent even in the upper crust, however, our guys dont even come close to them which should illustrate the point of how bad our running game is).
quote:Originally posted by El-Ka-Bong:
I'm still pissed we didn't trade that third round pick to the Phins for Ted Ginn to return kick offs.
Please put "former top ten pick" in front of his name. It will make you look more credible.
I have it on good authority that he was the highest drafted WR EVER.
quote:Originally posted by PackerHawk:quote:Originally posted by CUPackFan:
Seattle has shown a propensity to trade anything for anyone. They've traded picks for Leon Washington, Lendale White and now Marshawn Lynch. Seems like the old Redskins way of doing things, leaving them with just a few picks each draft. I guess we'll see if it works.
They threw a lot of cash at TJ Whosyourmamma, too.
And don't forget the great move they made with the poison pill contract and Nate Burleson to get even with the Vikings. Man, they sure showed them!
And they made the big splash of acquiring Deion Branch. He's the Jordy Nelson of the West!
Don't forget about the trade they made to "acquire" Lendale White (no longer with the team)
quote:Originally posted by GBFanForLife:quote:Originally posted by NJWIS:
And TT is missing 2 pieces right now.
What are they?
Duh, left and right testes.
quote:Originally posted by Hungry5:quote:Originally posted by bandit:quote:Originally posted by GBFanForLife:
Is it Ted's job not to let down the fans?
Yes, more so than any other team, when the fans and the city are your boss!!
Was this sarcasm?
In a way yes. What Ted needs to do is read this board, we'll show him where the yellow brick road leads to.
Per WSSP in Milwaukee
quote:The second pick Buffalo received in today's trade is a 6th rounder in 2012 that can go to a 5th based on Marshawn Lynch's productivity. 48 minutes ago via twitter
quote:Originally posted by Diggr14:
Moss - went to bed thinking they had a deal... woke up with Moss a NEP
Gonzalez - had a deal in place, faxed the papers to KAN, the dick Peterson changed his mind
Lynch - we'll wait on what happened here, but I'm guessing he did not want to part with a 3rd and a 5th.