Green Bay Packers vs San Francisco 49ers Divisional Playoff Official Game Thread

@YATittle posted:

I follow Isaac Yiadom on Twitter and after the game he posted "Coach Mo" wasn't the problem.

He was right. Players like Yiadom AND "Coach Mo" are the problem.

When Mo is dispatched, he like Zook will never get another NFL job.

I'm sure Drayton is a nice guy and a real "player's coach." There is nothing wrong with that, unless it comes at the expense of accountability.

I don't know if Yiadom every screwed up on special teams, but he was out there all the time.

On the other hand, Yiadom got roasted to start a game playing CB and Barry yanked him the first quarter for Douglas and Rasul never looked back.

@YATittle posted:

When Mo is dispatched, he like Zook will never get another NFL job.

Don't forget Slocum and Mennenga.

Neither of them have sniffed another NFL job since being asked to take their coaching talents elsewhere by the Pack.

And don't forget that Drayton, like Slocum and Zook before him, was promoted from within the organization to take over for his former boss.

Is it possible we already have our next great STs coordinator on staff?

https://www.packers.com/team/c...roster/rayna-stewart

The only thing that gives me solace is knowing that everyone of the dipshits who couldn't even execute a simple block for 3 seconds will be seeing those two stupid ass plays every January for the rest of their lives and their children's lives. May it haunt them for all time.

The horse is dead

Never forget that the undrafted free agent Wirtel activated in November was the player who not only had the consistently bad long snaps, but also got run over on the blocked punt costing us 6 points.

Do teams normally have a drafted long snapper?

@GBFanForLife posted:

Do teams normally have a drafted long snapper?

No

@R MaN posted:

This team last night was never the same after the Lewis fumble.

Rodgers was never the same after Lewis' fumble. It steeled him to go to his star players alone and only his star players.

Yesterday, Allen threw 4 TD's to a WR I had never heard of before. Yes, they lost but not because they scored a measly 10 points.

@Goalline posted:

Rodgers was never the same after Lewis' fumble. It steeled him to go to his star players alone and only his star players.

Yup.

@Goalline posted:

Rodgers was never the same after Lewis' fumble. It steeled him to go to his star players alone and only his star players.

I agree with that, sorta.    First drive was all Adams, 2nd drive he goes to Big Dog, fumble.

So you can look at it like it was always going to be all Adams as evidenced by drive 1 or you can look at it like he was about to start spreading the wealth and got scared off.     

I kinda think you're right.  He said fuck that, these scrubs are not going to lose this for us.  It's me and Adams.

Yeah, I think you've thrown in the right amount of nuance into the situation.

That’s Cowherds take this morning too.   Kind of feel icky agreeing with him but I think he may be spot on.

You should feel icky for listening to that ridiculous show.

@Goalline posted:

Yesterday, Allen threw 4 TD's to a WR I had never heard of before. Yes, they lost but not because they scored a measly 10 points.

The part about Davis is more an indictment of our WR corps.  Allen threw 4 TD to Davis because Davis kept getting open in critical situations. Consistently.

@DH13 posted:

The part about Davis is more an indictment of our WR corps.  Allen threw 4 TD to Davis because Davis kept getting open in critical situations. Consistently.

Meanwhile, Rodgers ignored Lazard when he got open in a critical situation. He should do his damn job and people should quit making excuses for him.

I do agree GL ... Herman said this morning that he is 100% sure that the design of the play was for Adams to draw the safety and that Lazard should have been what he was looking for from the start.

The all 22's will come out and show that Rodgers did this all day long. Pass up open receivers to throw to Adams. Too bad. Lazard was in really good form coming into this game.

I said yesterday that if Adams was the only receiver he was going to throw to we should have went max protection on every pass.

@FLPACKER posted:

I said yesterday that if Adams was the only receiver he was going to throw to we should have went max protection on every pass.

That made sense to me when you said that.

Over the year's as a basketball coach I'll get asked "who is your go-to guy" ...I've always responded "the guy who is open"

@Goalline posted:

Rodgers was never the same after Lewis' fumble. It steeled him to go to his star players alone and only his star players.

Yesterday, Allen threw 4 TD's to a WR I had never heard of before. Yes, they lost but not because they scored a measly 10 points.

You are correct in your criticism of Rodgers just looking to Davante when he gets tight. This has been an ongoing issue for years and he deserves all the criticism he is getting.

However, that WR you've never heard of who caught 4 TDs is perhaps Buffalo's 3rd or 4th receiving option. Knox is a TE that Gute passed over for Sternberger in 2019. Beasley and Sanders were signed as veteran FAs. McKenzie is the speed merchant we never seem to have use for. And of course they traded a 1st round pick for Diggs.

Now that is some deep receiving talent.

The receiver you've never heard of was also selected in round 4 of the 2020 draft - perhaps the deepest WR in NFL history.

Another WR from the 2020 draft (who was also available for the Packers to select in the 2020 draft) had a big day for Cincy as their #2 WR in the win over Tennessee.

As we all know by now, Gute chose not to take a WR in 2020, though he did use his 3rd rounder on Amari Rodgers in 2021. Yay, I guess.

That Rodgers "failed" by locking on to Adams does not excuse the FRONT OFFICE'S ongoing inability to provide better receiving options than what we saw on Saturday night in Allen Lazard, ESB, Josiah Degaura, Dominique Daffney, and Tyler Davis.

I'd think that even Rodgers biggest critics who will be thrilled if and when he gets traded ought to be worried about poor Jordan Love being asked to throw passes to such an unappealing group of receiving targets.

@Goalline posted:

Rodgers was never the same after Lewis' fumble. It steeled him to go to his star players alone and only his star players.

Yesterday, Allen threw 4 TD's to a WR I had never heard of before. Yes, they lost but not because they scored a measly 10 points.

He and Mahomes put their teams on their backs. AR12 got 1 touchdown in the first few minutes and disappeared. Buh bye, and rebuild.

@Goalline posted:

Meanwhile, Rodgers ignored Lazard when he got open in a critical situation. He should do his damn job and people should quit making excuses for him.

Nobody is making excuses for him.  And nobody should make excuses for the FO.  Davis>>>Lazard.  Go argue with yourself if you want to build strawmen.

@SteveLuke posted:...

I'd think that even Rodgers biggest critics who will be thrilled if and when he gets traded ought to be worried about poor Jordan Love being asked to throw passes to such an unappealing group of receiving targets.

Love, Benkert (signed to a futures), and whomever may become available through the draft and free agency.
Then see what you have in training camp and preseason.

@YATittle posted:

No

Wirtel replaced the long snapper we drafted.

@NumberThree posted:

Wirtel replaced the long snapper we drafted.

Who I believe weighed 20-30 pounds more....

@SteveLuke posted:

You are correct in your criticism of Rodgers just looking to Davante when he gets tight. This has been an ongoing issue for years and he deserves all the criticism he is getting.

However, that WR you've never heard of who caught 4 TDs is perhaps Buffalo's 3rd or 4th receiving option. Knox is a TE that Gute passed over for Sternberger in 2019. Beasley and Sanders were signed as veteran FAs. McKenzie is the speed merchant we never seem to have use for. And of course they traded a 1st round pick for Diggs.

Now that is some deep receiving talent.

The receiver you've never heard of was also selected in round 4 of the 2020 draft - perhaps the deepest WR in NFL history.

Another WR from the 2020 draft (who was also available for the Packers to select in the 2020 draft) had a big day for Cincy as their #2 WR in the win over Tennessee.

As we all know by now, Gute chose not to take a WR in 2020, though he did use his 3rd rounder on Amari Rodgers in 2021. Yay, I guess.

That Rodgers "failed" by locking on to Adams does not excuse the FRONT OFFICE'S ongoing inability to provide better receiving options than what we saw on Saturday night in Allen Lazard, ESB, Josiah Degaura, Dominique Daffney, and Tyler Davis.

I'd think that even Rodgers biggest critics who will be thrilled if and when he gets traded ought to be worried about poor Jordan Love being asked to throw passes to such an unappealing group of receiving targets.

Very fair criticism. Rodgers could definitely use more weapons. That has never been in dispute. It is fair though to state that his weapons are not useless. Last year MVS had 100+ yards and a TD. He was still criticized for not performing. Lazard has a history of coming up big when Adams is missing. He is not without talent.

@Goalline posted:

Very fair criticism. Rodgers could definitely use more weapons. That has never been in dispute. It is fair though to state that his weapons are not useless. Last year MVS had 100+ yards and a TD. He was still criticized for not performing. Lazard has a history of coming up big when Adams is missing. He is not without talent.

No one lamented MVS' absence more than I did (in writing in the lead up to the game) than me.

It is not that I think that MVS is anything special, he isn't, but rather because he is the only legitimate deep threat on the roster.

And by no means do I think that this is just about Rodgers.

I fear that if Love is forced to start next season without a significant upgrade in receiving talent, he will be unfairly castigated for not doing enough even though I view the TE/WR talent as lacking even with Davante and a healthy MVS and Tonyan.

Indeed, if MVS, Davante, and Tonyan are all gone and adequate replacements are not on roster and Love is the QB, I will certainly point that reality out not to excuse any poor play but to explain why it might be occurring.

PS I like Lazard. He plays hard and is a good blocker. He would make an excellent #3 or #4 depending upon who was ahead of him. He is not, and never will be, a good #2 WR .

@DH13 posted:

Nobody is making excuses for him.  And nobody should make excuses for the FO.  Davis>>>Lazard.  Go argue with yourself if you want to build strawmen.

2021 Regular season:

Lazard:

Catches: Yards: average: long: TDs

Davis:

He DOMINATED Lazard.

Going back to argue with myself.

Ok, dumb question.

I didn't think that you could rush right over the LS anymore?  It sure looked like 94 came right over the LS?

@Goalline posted:

2021 Regular season:

Lazard:

Catches: Yards: average: long: TDs

40

513

12.8

42

8

Davis:

35

549

15.7

49

6

He DOMINATED Lazard.

Going back to argue with myself.

Ok now do this weekend's games.

As you were.

@EC Pack posted:

Ok, dumb question.

I didn't think that you could rush right over the LS anymore?  It sure looked like 94 came right over the LS?

You can't line up right next to him across the neutral zone and hit him while he's vulnerable. The Niners didn't do that. The guy that bull rushed him started a good 3-4 yards off the LOS and didn't hit him until he came upright. Virtually every special teams unit accounts for this possibility by having the 2-3 guys lined up in the backfield being on the watch for this, but they left their position to be in better position to get downfield. The Niners probably saw this on film and exploited it.

Ok, the clip i watched must have cut in late as all I saw was LS getting bulldozed.

Also pretty sure Bogo took and extra step.  They while play is a steaming pile of crap.  8 packers to block 5 49ners.  5!!! They didn’t even try to block it just their regular rush.  Unbelievable.

@DH13 posted:

Ok now do this weekend's games.

As you were.

That was the point. You can't argue a point with the same point. LOL!

Quite a bit of talk about the Lewis fumble changing everything. If true, Packers need to figure out why a team that handled adversity so well during the season collapsed when it appeared in the postseason.

Personally I think the collapse was more attributable to Dillon going down than the fumble.  He had to have been their whole plan in that weather.

Then Bosa started abusing Kelly and getting pressure in the passing game and there was nowhere else to turn.

@michiganjoe posted:

Quite a bit of talk about the Lewis fumble changing everything. If true, Packers need to figure out why a team that handled adversity so well during the season collapsed when it appeared in the postseason.

That doesn't make any sense. Niners did nothing with that fumble.

@PackerHawk posted:

That doesn't make any sense. Niners did nothing with that fumble.

It seemed to change Rodgers' approach.

Typically, the first 15 plays of the offensive game plan are scripted. M. Lewis' fumble was on the 15th play. Maybe it's just a coincidence ?