I will never get another Eskimo Pie.
@Goalline posted:I have never called anyone queer or faggot. Never! Why would I?
The article says NOTHING about what your professor friend actually said. More bullshit clickbait from the press.
BTW, Saint Goalline had a certain ring to it.
That's probably because you didn't grow up with a bunch of hick farm boys.
Seriously, I didn't even know what most of those comments meant because I was as pure as the driven snow.
I was really lucky. My parents absolutely made sure that language wasn't in our house.
The Boston Herald is click bait? It said "he argued that diversity, equity and inclusion on campus “violates the ethical and legal principle of equal treatment.”
Here is the opinion piece he wrote.
https://www.newsweek.com/diver...mpus-opinion-1618419
It's not some racist rant, it's a counter argument to current diversity policy and attempting to cancel this man because of a dissenting opinion is absolute bullshit.
@Henry posted:Seriously, I didn't even know what most of those comments meant because I was as pure as the driven snow.
What happened?
@Henry posted:One of my biggest issues is the condemnation of writers, artists and philosophers from even 2 millennia ago. That to me is just inherently intellectual dishonesty.
Example: You don't fuck with Tolkien
Regardless you'll hear everything from sexist to racist connotations even though he was a man of peace and a product of the horrors of WW1. He once used "mongloid" in a letter. A widely accepted term of the time. There's a puke professor making his name off of trashing Tolkien. It would be the same as saying he's a POS racist because he's from Alabama.
Glen Loury, an accomplished black professor at Brown , lamented about how could you understand the whole of life, art and intellectual vigor if you're condemning and trying to remove the teaching of Aristotle and others across the ages because they were products of their time?
That is the pure Orwellian shit that is so often a twisted form of social science, particularly anthropology and identity studies.
It absolutely boggles the mind.
I have The Hobbit sitting on the kitchen counter right now. Been telling the kid I will read it to her after we complete our current book,
Can't wait to create a little sci fi nerd.
I'd bet if you took a confidential poll from all NFL head coaches and assistant coaches, way more than half would have held similar views over these last 10 years regarding female refs, DeMaurice Smith, Kaepernick/Reid, Michael Sam, and Goodell and have probably used similar language. NFL is a pretty regressive league and is way more reactionary compared to the NBA.
At the same time, this is so shady that of 650k emails in an investigation of Dan Snyder, the only emails that have leaked are from Jon Gruden. You have to wonder why. Was the personal insult to Goodell enough to make Goodell retaliate against Gruden? Has the league had something against Gruden for years and saw this as a way to get him out of the league? Just odd because this reflects poorly on the entire league, not just Gruden.
@BrainDed posted:The Boston Herald is click bait?
Yes! They all are from the Times on down. There are no sacred cows in the press.
I agree to an extent. But that leaves us with nothing. So the source for current events and news is....... CSPAN? NPR? Only trust the overlords, never question it by visiting another source?
Perhaps you're just trying to fuck with me and I'm falling for it. Kudos.
@Henry posted:One of my biggest issues is the condemnation of writers, artists and philosophers from even 2 millennia ago. That to me is just inherently intellectual dishonesty.
Example: You don't fuck with Tolkien
Regardless you'll hear everything from sexist to racist connotations even though he was a man of peace and a product of the horrors of WW1. He once used "mongloid" in a letter. A widely accepted term of the time. There's a puke professor making his name off of trashing Tolkien. It would be the same as saying he's a POS racist because he's from Alabama.
Glen Loury, an accomplished black professor at Brown , lamented about how could you understand the whole of life, art and intellectual vigor if you're condemning and trying to remove the teaching of Aristotle and others across the ages because they were products of their time?
That is the pure Orwellian shit that is so often a twisted form of social science, particularly anthropology and identity studies.
It absolutely boggles the mind.
To me it is very simple. If their words carry malice they deserve what they get. Gruden's words carried all kinds of MALICE! He is one disgusting human being.
To expect Tolkien to know anything about 21st century political correctness is silly.
I get that sometimes from my WHITE colleagues when an older client describes me as colored. That's what they referred to black people back in the day, and there was no malice behind it. Leave old people alone.
@BrainDed posted:I agree to an extent. But that leaves us with nothing. So the source for current events and news is....... CSPAN? NPR? Only trust the overlords, never question it by visiting another source?
Perhaps you're just trying to fuck with me and I'm falling for it. Kudos.
Dead fucking serious, bro. I consume so little news now because so much of it is colored with opinion and dubious facts.
@BrainDed posted:The Boston Herald is click bait? It said "he argued that diversity, equity and inclusion on campus “violates the ethical and legal principle of equal treatment.”
Here is the opinion piece he wrote.
https://www.newsweek.com/diver...mpus-opinion-1618419
It's not some racist rant, it's a counter argument to current diversity policy and attempting to cancel this man because of a dissenting opinion is absolute bullshit.
Very naïve, but rather non-threatening position. The cancellation of this guy is not like the "cancellation" of Jon Gruden.
I'd recommend getting your news from 5-6 different sources and avoiding opinion columns, podcasts, etc. You just have to be informed about who you decide to listen to and what their motives are, which is unfortunate but is just the reality in which we live.
And may as well change "cancel culture" to "consequence culture".
@CUPackFan posted:I'd recommend getting your news from 5-6 different sources and avoiding opinion columns, podcasts, etc. You just have to be informed about who you decide to listen to and what their motives are, which is unfortunate but is just the reality in which we live.
And may as well change "cancel culture" to "consequence culture".
I think your approach is better than mine. I am just so jaded.
@Goalline posted:To me it is very simple. If their words carry malice they deserve what they get. Gruden's words carried all kinds of MALICE! He is one disgusting human being.
To expect Tolkien to know anything about 21st century political correctness is silly.
I get that sometimes from my WHITE colleagues when an older client describes me as colored. That's what they referred to black people back in the day, and there was no malice behind it. Leave old people alone.
Gruden is a turd, that's agreed upon.
The reality is for race relations to get better if not disappear is we all need to quit talking shit then die.
@fightphoe93 posted:I actually did not know that and I’m not joking when I say I’m glad you pointed that out. I will edit my post and remove that reference.
It’s hard to keep up sometimes. And woe to those who don’t keep up.
@Goalline posted:I get that sometimes from my WHITE colleagues when an older client describes me as colored. That's what they referred to black people back in the day, and there was no malice behind it. Leave old people alone.
I just wish the rest of the blacks understood us. 😜
And by the way, I don’t have a racist bone in my body…that is until some lazy drunk Irishman picks a fight.
@CUPackFan posted:I'd recommend getting your news from 5-6 different sources and avoiding opinion columns, podcasts, etc. You just have to be informed about who you decide to listen to and what their motives are, which is unfortunate but is just the reality in which we live.
And may as well change "cancel culture" to "consequence culture".
I make sure to read at least 3 foreign publications a day. South China Morning Post is a good one, maybe. Hard to say with Hong Kong democracy crumbling.
Asahi Shimbun and Mainichi are solid.
@Blair Kiel posted:I just wish the rest of the blacks understood us. 😜
Need Goldie to clear us up on the correct terminology here.
@CUPackFan posted:At the same time, this is so shady that of 650k emails in an investigation of Dan Snyder, the only emails that have leaked are from Jon Gruden. You have to wonder why. Was the personal insult to Goodell enough to make Goodell retaliate against Gruden? Has the league had something against Gruden for years and saw this as a way to get him out of the league? Just odd because this reflects poorly on the entire league, not just Gruden.
It's only a matter of time now.
@Goldie posted:Quintez Cephus broke his collarbone in the 19-17 loss on Sunday against the Minnesota Vikings, according to NFL Network. He is expected to undergo surgery and will be out about three months, which means his season is likely over.
Bad news for Detroit……..
Bad news for Detroit is when the schedule comes out.
@Blair Kiel posted:And by the way, I don’t have a racist bone in my body…that is until some lazy drunk Irishman picks a fight.
Irish don't count because they're always lazy and drunk.
I once had a Progressive friend tell me that cancel culture doesn’t exist because he doesn’t like the people who are being canceled.
Cant argue with that logic.
Ok.
I lied.
I don’t have any Progressive friends.
@Blair Kiel posted:Ok.
I lied.
I don’t have any Progressive friends.
I’m your friend
@Blair Kiel posted:I just wish the rest of the blacks understood us. 😜
I envy you people ™ that you get so much time to nap. All except Bvan who spends every waking moment chasing his wife around. A wife who is 80 years his junior. My hero.
@Blair Kiel posted:Bad news for Detroit is when the schedule comes out.
Or every day that goes by that the Ford family still owns the team. They'd be thrilled with a couple of division titles every decade and a sledding hill.
@Blair Kiel posted:And by the way, I don’t have a racist bone in my body…that is until some lazy drunk Irishman picks a fight.
Wait, how did the Irish man put his racist bone in your body? Did he have his way with you? Hope he bought you dinner first.
@Goalline posted:To me it is very simple. If their words carry malice they deserve what they get. Gruden's words carried all kinds of MALICE! He is one disgusting human being.
To expect Tolkien to know anything about 21st century political correctness is silly.
I get that sometimes from my WHITE colleagues when an older client describes me as colored. That's what they referred to black people back in the day, and there was no malice behind it. Leave old people alone.
Good post. This reminds me of the difference between what I experienced talking to my grandparents' generation (born in the 1910s-20s) 20-30 years ago versus what it's like talking to people born in the 1940s-70s right now.
There were several terms that we would consider derogatory now that people around me from the WW2 generation used. Never the "n" word, but terms like "coloreds" and "darkies" among others. Then, we'd take a trip to Milwaukee to watch a Brewers or Bucks game and those same people would see an African-American at a restaurant or seated close to them at the baseball game and end up talking to them for extended conversations just like they were any other person they had met. There was some ignorance, but a lot less judgment and no real malice at all.
Nowadays, perhaps because of the availability of media sources influencing how they should think, it's a much meaner baseline to start with. In some cases, they may not say the "n" word, but that's what people like Gruden might as well be thinking.
Gruden is not from WW2 generation. He's 58 years old and has been around a diverse set of people for 30 years. This is who he is and he was saying this stuff despite spending decades around people of very diverse backgrounds being in football and in media. He isn't some 85-year-old living in some rural farming community that rarely sees anyone that isn't like them.
@Pikes Peak posted:I’m your friend
Damn you!
What precipitated these emails being brought up?
@R MaN posted:What precipitated these emails being brought up?
Looking into the WFT/Dan Snyder situation
@Pikes Peak posted:Looking into the WFT/Dan Snyder situation
Why did they single out Gruden?
@Goalline posted:Based on my respect of your opinions I will watch The Closer. I've been boycotting it, but I will watch it now and form my own opinion.
Have you been boycotting it based on snippets you've seen or heard about? Like Henry said, there's no guarantee you will like or agree with anything Chappelle has to say. But this type of division is thriving 100% on the expectation that people will be exposed to just the cherry picking of someone's choosing. The negative reviews I've seen give zero perspective or context to the points Chappelle is making, because giving better context will only undermine their allegations and render their arguments meaningless.
There's one side that has made an effort toward intellectual honesty, and it is most certainly not those ragging on the special to further their own cause. And that isn't to say there aren't important points being made. But it's perplexing to me that people would believe they deserve support or celebration even when muddying the facts or just plain outright lying. Dishonesty is never a means to any good end.
A couple years ago, I fell for the longstanding trope that a native american elder must ooze nothing but wisdom and knowledge and virtue from his/her/other pores. Until I realized they were completely lying out of their ass. It brought home to me the fact that just because someone may voice opposition to the "bad", it doesn't mean they are intrinsically on the side of the "good." We're inundated with nefarious actors in this country every minute of the day.
@R MaN posted:Why did they single out Gruden?
My guess is there is more to come. It’s early, stay tuned.
I could list a dozen examples of current “You can’t go there.” situations in our current culture….that’s cancel culture when you cancel dialog.
Lets start with how Asians are discriminated against in education.
@artis posted:Have you been boycotting it based on snippets you've seen or heard about? Like Henry said, there's no guarantee you will like or agree with anything Chappelle has to say.
His previous stuff was threading on thin ice. From the comments I am reading, many think he crossed the line. I ain't got time for that kind of crap in my life, but neither does Henry, so if he didn't feel it crossed the line I will give Chappelle the benefit of doubt. I will watch it and draw my own conclusions. Chapelle is, after all, my favorite comedian, and he takes many other positions I agree with.
@PackerHawk posted:It's only a matter of time now.
I wouldn’t put money on it.
Aaron Rodgers to @PatMcAfeeShow on Jon Gruden, “That shit doesn’t fly.”
— Peter Bukowski (@Peter_Bukowski) October 12, 2021
Says there’s no place for it in the NFL.
That’s why he’ll never coach in the league again, not cuz he’s being cancelled. No one will respect him.
One thing to remember. Gruden is a grown ass man who was spewing this crap as recently as 2018. The cancel culture haters are trying to frame this like they dug up emails from his old Hotmail or AOL account from 1998. Fucking stop, this is essentially his CURRENT hating mindset.
And the generation he's currently leading (young players under 28) have vastly different life experiences with issues surrounding race, LGBT equality, and equal rights toward POC and women then a 58 year old man does. These same kids often played sports with LGBT kids who were out in high school or even grade school. This is the young generation who are acutely aware of George Floyd and BLM and are literally wearing "end racism" and "stop hate" on the back of their helmets.
There was simply no way Gruden was going to talk his way out of this or downplay it. Not to mention the fact he has an openly gay player on his team. The moment all this came spewing out, there also went any respect he had in his locker room.
He deserves to be right where he is. No longer a face of an NFL franchise and hopefully someone who needs to do some serious soul searching.