For the record.
Gruden should be canceled.
@R MaN posted:What precipitated these emails being brought up?
The Cephus collarbone break if you ask Goldie.
@Blair Kiel posted:For the record.
Gruden should be canceled.
Look at that old fart go. 
@Goalline posted:His previous stuff was threading on thin ice. From the comments I am reading, many think he crossed the line. I ain't got time for that kind of crap in my life, but neither does Henry, so if he didn't feel it crossed the line I will give Chappelle the benefit of doubt. I will watch it and draw my own conclusions. Chapelle is, after all, my favorite comedian, and he takes many other positions I agree with.
Totally fair. To me, the most important facet of Chappelle's comedy, and those few like him, is that it makes people think. It doesn't mean we have to agree with everything, just that we recognize our own bubble and be willing to peer outside of it. The suppression of speech is the thing that drives the bad elements underground and makes it more threatening than if it were out in the open for all to see its foolishness.
@Tavis Smiley posted:The Cephus collarbone break if you ask Goldie.
Man, I knew it was the end for Gruden when that happened.
@packerboi posted:There was simply no way Gruden was going to talk his way out of this or downplay it. Not to mention the fact he has an openly gay player on his team. The moment all this came spewing out, there also went any respect he had in his locker room.
He deserves to be right where he is. No longer a face of an NFL franchise and hopefully someone who needs to do some serious soul searching.
Gruden will get to do that soul searching with 30 million (at least) in the bank, but it will be interesting to see what he does. He'll likely live another 25-30 years. Every year since 1986, he's either been a full-time coach or the lead guy on MNF every year since. For the 8 years before that he was a either high school or college football player (D3).
Football is all he knows. He's also an egomaniac who has had people telling him how great he is for the last 20 years.
I don't feel sorry for him, but I don't know what he does now. Go on an apology tour and try to get some D1 college program to hire him?
A world "leader" can go on for years blasting any one whether it's kneeling for the anthem, from a poor country, not white, a woman or handicapped, and get away with it with millions of followers, It emboldens scumbags with deep down like beliefs and opinions to fire away thinking it's acceptable.
I donāt doubt that Vegas will have a black, lesbian coach next year.
Ted Lasso may be available...
@Pikes Peak posted:I donāt doubt that Vegas will have a black, lesbian coach next year.
Wanda Sykes would look good standing next to Mark Davis.
@Pikes Peak posted:I donāt doubt that Vegas will have a black, lesbian coach next year.
Put they/them in a wheelchair and you have the most unfireable Coach in NFL history.š
@MichiganPacker2 posted:Wanda Sykes would look good standing next to Mark Davis.
Al Davis looked good standing next to Mark Davis.
Gruden deserves to not coach again. To insult DeMaurice the way he did means he insulted all Black players; to insult female refs means that he insulted football itself since female refs are now part of the landscape; to insult gays meant he trashed one of the guys in his own locker room. The minute those emails got out, Gruden lost his team. I doubt Gruden will ever be respected again in a locker room.
If this were your grandfather speaking, you could cut him some slack. It's not. Gruden is a guy on national TV, a guy who won a Superb Owl. The POS deserves all the trashing coming his way.
Not so much toward the end.
The #Bucs are removing Jon Gruden from their ring of honor. pic.twitter.com/kIV6vj1i5y
ā Ian Rapoport (@RapSheet) October 12, 2021
@packerboi posted:The #Bucs are removing Jon Gruden from their ring of honor. pic.twitter.com/kIV6vj1i5y
ā Ian Rapoport (@RapSheet) October 12, 2021
Making room for Tommy
i mean, ok, but that seems like piling on to me...if they would have remained silent - i would not have known any different...so YAY for tb.
Thatās the thingā¦you have to toe the party line of condemnation or risk being brought forward for a struggle session. Itās not enough to agree with banning himā¦you have to cheer it. That shows how much you care and that you are right-minded. Youāre being watched. Silence is violence and all that.
God forbid there be consequences in this world.
HE SHOULD BE EXECUTED !!!!
Itās insane that they would be doing all of this through company emails.
Or even just in writing. Canāt this just be a phone call? -isms aside, when youāre that careless you deserve to be toppled.
A ton of good posts here. Too many to comment on just one. While Iād like to be optimistic when it comes to seeing a societal change with things, I just donāt see things moving in that direction given todayās political climate. Without specifically focusing on political details which I know is a no-no here, the division in this country is stunning. What amazes me, and what I relate to the Gruden situation, is not just the division of beliefs, but the degree in which people stick to their opinions without ANY willingness to engage in discourse regarding alternate views.
In my very humble opinion, the crux of societal change (and any worthwhile change for that matter) starts with communication and open mindedness . I see the opposite today, with people doubling down on their viewpoints regarding politics, race, religion, etc. This hasnāt been more evident then in the past 5 years. It reeks of ignorance, which if you ask me equates to stupidity.
@Pikes Peak posted:Making room for Tommy
Nope.
Got a keep a place open for Antonio Brown in the Bucs ring of honor because misogyny and openly racist conduct may be tolerated .... for some.
No sympathy whatsoever for Gruden and his ilk.
The sanctimony of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers removing his name from the ring of honor while simultaneously and actively celebrating an unrepentant woman abuser and open racist is the the epitome of hypocrisy.
Yeah but Antonio Brown makes them money right now.
@Tavis Smiley posted:A ton of good posts here. Too many to comment on just one. While Iād like to be optimistic when it comes to seeing a societal change with things, I just donāt see things moving in that direction given todayās political climate. Without specifically focusing on political details which I know is a no-no here, the division in this country is stunning. What amazes me, and what I relate to the Gruden situation, is not just the division of beliefs, but the degree in which people stick to their opinions without ANY willingness to engage in discourse regarding alternate views.
In my very humble opinion, the crux of societal change (and any worthwhile change for that matter) starts with communication and open mindedness . I see the opposite today, with people doubling down on their viewpoints regarding politics, race, religion, etc. This hasnāt been more evident then in the past 5 years. It reeks of ignorance, which if you ask me equates to stupidity.
I agree with you, but when one side of a discussion is people like Jon Gruden disparaging historically disenfranchised societal groups, itās hard to want to hear him out. Or hear out anyone on the opposite side of equality really. Itās not my job to educate other adults, the greatest repository of human knowledge is sitting in our pockets and we use it to play candy crush and watch porn. Jon Gruden doesnāt need to have an open dialogue with anyone, he has the information at his fingertips about why saying what he said is offensive.
The sad thing is that Grudes probably got $20M in cash from Davis to resign quietly, so did he really learn a lesson? He learned not to be a POS in writing probably, but I doubt heās changed at all. Gruden can be a POS for saying offensive things, just because I made offensive jokes as a teenager doesnāt mean Gruden isnāt a POS.
@Pikes Peak posted:I donāt doubt that Vegas will have a black, lesbian coach next year.
BK can coach?
@antooo posted:Not so much toward the end.
Still
@packerboi posted:The #Bucs are removing Jon Gruden from their ring of honor. pic.twitter.com/kIV6vj1i5y
ā Ian Rapoport (@RapSheet) October 12, 2021
No one in the NFL has done more for diversity than Bruce Arians.
@Blair Kiel posted:HE SHOULD BE EXECUTED !!!!
Thatās extreme. Castrated maybe, but an execution is just going too far.
You secretly kept score though didn't you.
@SteveLuke posted:Nope.
Got a keep a place open for Antonio Brown in the Bucs ring of honor because misogyny and openly racist conduct may be tolerated .... for some...
...The sanctimony of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers removing his name from the ring of honor while...actively celebrating an unrepentant woman abuser and open racist is the the epitome of hypocrisy.
Yep, that's why I don't want to hear any BS from the league or owners about "protecting the shield". He's only one of many examples.
And there's plenty of sleazeball owners that are just as bad, if not worse.
So, yeah, don't try to sell me that line. That shield is as dirty as can be.
@Blair Kiel posted:I could list a dozen examples of current āYou canāt go there.ā situations in our current cultureā¦.thatās cancel culture when you cancel dialog.
Lets start with how Asians are discriminated against in education.
Went to Supreme Court. I believe they won.
Won what?
There are literally dozens of ongoing situations where schoolsā¦universities in particular, are discriminating against Asian students because you know, they do too well. Now I can go and find them for you and link to them, or you can do a quick Google search.
@Henry posted:You secretly kept score though didn't you.
Hell yeah.
@Blair Kiel posted:Won what?
There are literally dozens of ongoing situations where schoolsā¦universities in particular, are discriminating against Asian students because you know, they do too well. Now I can go and find them for you and link to them, or you can do a quick Google search.
College admissions case. I think it was Harvard and their diversity policy. Denying Asians even though they were clearly the most qualified in the name of diversity.
You google it. My white privileged isnāt in play here.
Case also filed vs California University system. Did a lot of research into Ivy admissions at one time. So many applicants meet their academic threshold that some of their criteria is "what are you going to do for us while a student & what are you going to do for us as an alumni"
