Of the firing of Michael John McCarthy as the head football coach of the Green Bay Packers?
Wasn't there a contingent of "careful what you wish for" Packer fans who insisted that the Pack might take a big step back if they dared to move on from the self-described "highly successful" football coach?
Wonder if there is anyone left who (a) thinks firing McCarthy was the wrong move or (b) does not think that the firing was long overdue.
Go Seahawks!
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One may not want to kick a horse that's been dead this long. At least don't be barefoot.
By laughing at certain piss-ants. No, not the former head coach.
I'm just doing what I do.
I am man enough to admit at first I was in the "careful what you wish for" crowd.
Now? I have moved on and have totally forgotten about it and now its time to concentrate on the 2019 edition of the Packers.
I lit a candle. then liked it.
I re-watched the Seattle playoff choke so I could truly appreciate the dismissal.
By the time all is said and done, Matt LaFluer is looking at what is likely to be a 6-7 game swing in wins taking this team to either 12-4 or 13-3. That is a incredible turn around for ANY coach to do in a single year, much less a rookie one. And it makes forgetting MM all that much easier.
I am also not convinced Angry Bald Man is here in 2020. Gutenheimer has spent a shit load of FA money and the Packers have invested a ton of draft capitol on the defense. He has 6 players on his defense that are either 1st or 2nd round picks.
It would not at all shock me if MLF moved on from Pettine. MLF see's what is going on in SF and best believe his best buddies in SF are also in his ear about what they think of GB's defense. And unlike MM, MLF does not appear to be a HC who will hang on to assistants because they are "yes" men to him or because they are friends. A big contrast to McVince as well.
I think we need to replace Special Teams coach much more than we need to replace Angry Bald Man.
Lets see how the D performs in the playoffs under Pettine before talking about if he should go or not.
We are coming off a game where we surrendered only 13 and took it away 3 times. That would be our 5th game that we surrendered less than 20, one with 22 and another with 24. Yes, those didn't come against elite QB's, but not many teams are holding teams with elite QB's under 20. It's happened to the Packers, with a 1rsst year offense, only twice this year.
Really? All happy that McCarthy got booted, eh? Was it time for him to go, sure.....but seriously. He brought us a Super Bowl title. So did Dom. Say what you want but you fuckers are all Rong about him. Be happy with what you have & that's a 4th Super Bowl title. Celebrate that, because that's what I look at....not all the negative bullshit.
Coaches usually have a shelf life of 8-10 years in the NFL. The guy has a street named after him. STFU & enjoy the season
That attitude will definitely not improve your social media score.
Rong. A competent coach would lead the best QB, statistically speaking, to more than 1 Super Bowl appearance.
Rodgers bailed out MM numerous times in the playoffs. It was a rare, if ever, for MM's game plan or game mgt to contribute to the success. It was a hindrance that Rodgers would overcome.
Boris posted:Really? All happy that McCarthy got booted, eh? Was it time for him to go, sure.....but seriously. He brought us a Super Bowl title. So did Dom. Say what you want but you fuckers are all Rong about him. Be happy with what you have & that's a 4th Super Bowl title. Celebrate that, because that's what I look at....not all the negative bullshit.
Coaches usually have a shelf life of 8-10 years in the NFL. The guy has a street named after him. STFU & enjoy the season
Trees have streets named after them.
ammo posted:I think we need to replace Special Teams coach much more than we need to replace Angry Bald Man.
Maybe they should try no ST coach. Wait, hasn't that been what they've been doing for almost a decade?
Being as bad as they've been on ST takes a particular kind of guiding hand. A driverless bus would do less damage.
Pikes Peak posted:Boris posted:Really? All happy that McCarthy got booted, eh? Was it time for him to go, sure.....but seriously. He brought us a Super Bowl title. So did Dom. Say what you want but you fuckers are all Rong about him. Be happy with what you have & that's a 4th Super Bowl title. Celebrate that, because that's what I look at....not all the negative bullshit.
Coaches usually have a shelf life of 8-10 years in the NFL. The guy has a street named after him. STFU & enjoy the season
Trees have streets named after them.
You win the internet for the day.
BrainDed posted:Rong. A competent coach would lead the best QB, statistically speaking, to more than 1 Super Bowl appearance.
Like Don Shula did? Or Tony Dungy? Or Sean Payton? Or Mike Holmgren? Or Bill Cowher?
In fact there are actually only 32 coaches in NFL history that have a SB win PERIOD, only 13 of them have multiple SBs. Of the 43 coaches in NFL history that have over 100 wins, only 9 have multiple SBs and only 1 coach has multiple SBs since the year 2000...there are 4 coaches who won multiple SBs but never won 100 games: Tom Flores, Vince Lombardi, Bill Walsh, and Jimmy Johnson. It's hard to win a SB regardless of your personnel.
So no, it is definitively not abnormal or unprecedented for a coach to not achieve multiple SBs despite having a franchise (or HOF even) QB. I see 5 HOF coaches (Weeb Eubank, John Madden, Hank Stram, Tony Dungy, Mike Ditka) that had a HOF QB (or in Ditka's case multiple HOF players on the team) that only achieved 1 SB. Is it disappointing? Yes obviously. Does it mean MM was a dud or not competent? Absolutely not.
BrainDed posted:Rong. A competent coach would lead the best QB, statistically speaking, to more than 1 Super Bowl appearance.
Rodgers bailed out MM numerous times in the playoffs. It was a rare, if ever, for MM's game plan or game mgt to contribute to the success. It was a hindrance that Rodgers would overcome.
Ironically I would say he had a near perfect plan for the Seattle NFCCG, until he shot himself in the foot in the end, with the help of Brian Bostick.
Not that I want to compare MM with others, but let’s not forget Holmgren and Wolf and Favre only got them one title as well. Looking back on things they should have had more.
I think they have a chance to compete for one the next 2-3 years but winning a world championship is pretty difficult even if you have a really good team.
Boris posted:Really? All happy that McCarthy got booted, eh? Was it time for him to go, sure.....but seriously. He brought us a Super Bowl title. So did Dom. Say what you want but you fuckers are all Rong about him. Be happy with what you have & that's a 4th Super Bowl title. Celebrate that, because that's what I look at....not all the negative bullshit.
Coaches usually have a shelf life of 8-10 years in the NFL. The guy has a street named after him. STFU & enjoy the season
Disagree- the guy sucked for a long time and should have bet let go after the Seattle debacle. He lost the team a long time ago and under-delivered considering he had HOF quarterbacks his entire career. He had a ton of talent and arguably the best player on the planet at the most important position for years and won one Superbowl. I think a lot of good coaches would have done much better.
I am grateful for the Superbowl and always will be. I will at the same time believe that some of 12's best years were wasted as a result of MM.
Grave Digger posted:BrainDed posted:Rong. A competent coach would lead the best QB, statistically speaking, to more than 1 Super Bowl appearance.
I see 5 HOF coaches (Weeb Eubank, John Madden, Hank Stram, Tony Dungy, Mike Ditka) that had a HOF QB (or in Ditka's case multiple HOF players on the team) that only achieved 1 SB.
Ditka is not a HOF coach, he got in as a player.
Stram got to 2 SBs not just 1 with Dawson. He also won 2 AFL championships during the pre-SB era.
Dungy had a HOF QB for 7 years.
Ewbank had a HOF QB during the SB era for 8 seasons and won 1 SB. Ewbank also won 2 NFL titles in the pre-SB era.
Madden had a HOF QB for 8 seasons and won 1 SB.
MM appeared in and won 1 SB in his 13 seasons with HOFs behind center every one of those seasons.
Like Don Shula did? Or Tony Dungy? Or Sean Payton? Or Mike Holmgren? Or Bill Cowher?
Holmgren went to two Super Bowls with a QB that is less talented than Rodgers. Would have been more if the Vikings didn't create the Cowboy Dynasty.
Shula has been to multiple SuperBowls, Wikipedia says 6
Dungy had to go through BB and Tom Brady. MM didn't have that in the NFC.
Payton made an amazingly gutsy call to propel his team to a SB win. He was about to go again last year but got completely screwed by the Zebras. Once again his team is looking like the favorite in the NFC this year.
MM is just not in the same league as any of those guys. 13 years of HOF qb play and no Dynasty's in the NFC and he got one appearance.
Ditka is not a HOF coach, he got in as a player.
Stram got to 2 SBs not just 1 with Dawson. He also won 2 AFL championships during the pre-SB era.
Dungy had a HOF QB for 7 years.
Ewbank had a HOF QB during the SB era for 8 seasons and won 1 SB. Ewbank also won 2 NFL titles in the pre-SB era.
Madden had a HOF QB for 8 seasons and won 1 SB.
MM appeared in and won 1 SB in his 13 seasons with HOFs behind center every one of those seasons
None of those coaches but Dungy had to deal with FA or the salary cap. Both of those forces are designed to limit sustained success = parity.
Shula had zero SB wins with Marino. Seems like even more of a big fat waste of a QB talent than MM. You guys are rationalizing all of the reasons why these guys are great coaches yet only have 1 SB, but what it comes down to is that they all had zero to 1 SB with their HOF QB, same as MM yet he gets none of that rationalizing. Those guys are/were great coaches, so was MM.
First, you're talking wins only.. My statement was pertaining to appearances.
"Rong. A competent coach would lead the best QB, statistically speaking, to more than 1 Super Bowl appearance. "
2nd, you want to defend MM, you supply the rationalization. I don't see any, so I'm not defending it. Manning/Dungy and Cowher / Ben had to go against Tom Brady / BB. Don Shula has been to 6 so no rationalization needed. Holmgren made it to two and may have been more if he wasn't up against the Cowboy dynasty early in his tenure.
What's MM excuse for only 1 appreance? He didn't shit can his pathetic D coordinator and special teams coordinator soon enough? That's on him. His GM didn't supply him with talent? That means your beloved TT wasn't as good as you claim him to be.
You're stuck bud.
packerboi posted:By the time all is said and done, Matt LaFluer is looking at what is likely to be a 6-7 game swing in wins taking this team to either 12-4 or 13-3. That is a incredible turn around for ANY coach to do in a single year, much less a rookie one. And it makes forgetting MM all that much easier.
I am also not convinced Angry Bald Man is here in 2020. Gutenheimer has spent a shit load of FA money and the Packers have invested a ton of draft capitol on the defense. He has 6 players on his defense that are either 1st or 2nd round picks.
It would not at all shock me if MLF moved on from Pettine. MLF see's what is going on in SF and best believe his best buddies in SF are also in his ear about what they think of GB's defense. And unlike MM, MLF does not appear to be a HC who will hang on to assistants because they are "yes" men to him or because they are friends. A big contrast to McVince as well.
Ron Rivera is available. Was a hell of a DC back in the day.
Henry posted:Regardless of how it ended, It's not nice to talk ill of people that did their best and were pretty successful
Is MM a moderator here now? LMAO.
ammo posted:I think we need to replace Special Teams coach much more than we need to replace Angry Bald Man.
There's nothing stopping the Packers from replacing both.
Tschmack posted:Not that I want to compare MM with others, but let’s not forget Holmgren and Wolf and Favre only got them one title as well. Looking back on things they should have had more.
And if Denver hadn't been cheating on the salary cap, the Packers would have had more.
BrainDed posted:
What's MM excuse for only 1 appreance? He didn't shit can his pathetic D coordinator and special teams coordinator soon enough? That's on him.
Nobody and I mean NOBODY knows what input TT had on keeping Dom and whoever the special teams coach was. MM may well as wanted to shit can them but TT may have said no. Or even what input Mark Murphy may have had. We all know he meddled in places he didn't belong. Boris is right, enjoy what we got. Winning all the time makes you hated like BB, Tom Brady and the Pats. Or the Yankees and Dodgers. .
For a decade, the Packers were the team nobody wanted to face in the playoffs. The only team (still to this day) that won it all from the #6 seed. They also won 19 straight games in a row.
I remember Belichick shaking his hand after the Packers beat the Patriots. (Dec 2014?) Know why? Because at Lambeau the Packers don't try to jam headset signals or pump in crowd noise.
Yeah he got put out to pasture after his expiration date. So fucking what? You can't change it. Move forward instead of crying about "what might have been"
9-3 football team in 2019 & we're talking about when the HC got fired LAST year. Un-fucking-real
Shouldn't it be easier to appreciate the good stuff once he's gone? I liked MM, just like I liked Sherman. Both were kept beyond their effective date, but they contributed more good than bad in their respective tenures. I wasn't crazy about Holmgren in his final year. Doesn't mean I need to shit on him.
9-3 football team in 2019 & we're talking about when the HC got fired LAST year. Un-fucking-real
That's because the Packers have a demanding history of success, unlike some franchises just to the west that I can think of.
Boris posted:For a decade, the Packers were the team nobody wanted to face in the playoffs. The only team (still to this day) that won it all from the #6 seed. They also won 19 straight games in a row.
I remember Belichick shaking his hand after the Packers beat the Patriots. (Dec 2014?) Know why? Because at Lambeau the Packers don't try to jam headset signals or pump in crowd noise.
Yeah he got put out to pasture after his expiration date. So fucking what? You can't change it. Move forward instead of crying about "what might have been"
9-3 football team in 2019 & we're talking about when the HC got fired LAST year. Un-fucking-real
The Packers were not the only 6th seed to win the SB. The 2005 Steelers did it. If you were going to pick a team that no one wanted to face in the playoffs for a decade it would have been the Patriots, not the Packers. I see nothing wrong with talking about Packer history both good and bad and not sure why some people are getting so upset about it. My opinion is that they waited WAY too long to replace MM and it wasted too much of Rodgers prime years.
The day went pretty "as usual" for me, although I did spend some time polishing the dagger.
BrainDed posted:First, you're talking wins only.. My statement was pertaining to appearances.
"Rong. A competent coach would lead the best QB, statistically speaking, to more than 1 Super Bowl appearance. "
2nd, you want to defend MM, you supply the rationalization. I don't see any, so I'm not defending it. Manning/Dungy and Cowher / Ben had to go against Tom Brady / BB. Don Shula has been to 6 so no rationalization needed. Holmgren made it to two and may have been more if he wasn't up against the Cowboy dynasty early in his tenure.
What's MM excuse for only 1 appreance? He didn't shit can his pathetic D coordinator and special teams coordinator soon enough? That's on him. His GM didn't supply him with talent? That means your beloved TT wasn't as good as you claim him to be.
You're stuck bud.
I’m not stuck with anything. Your world is either “he fucking sucks” or “he’s fucking amazing”. TT can be a good to great GM and have made some mistakes. MM can be a good to great coach who also made mistakes. I don’t have to rationalize why MM is a good coach, his record speaks for itself. Those are facts, you’re stuck all the things you think he did wrong with no acknowledgement of those facts or the things he did right. You’re on the rong side of history, MM has the numbers comparable to many well respected coaches, people speak well of him including Aaron Rodgers, and spoiler alert: MM is going to be a Packer HOFer and remembered as one of the best coaches in GB history whether you like it or not.
I like it.
Boris posted:For a decade, the Packers were the team nobody wanted to face in the playoffs. The only team (still to this day) that won it all from the #6 seed.
Steelers did it first.
