Season narrative would be all about the second-half collapse if it played out like that.
I say anywhere from 7 to 9 wins..
I had been saying 10 wins, still possible but I will go with 9.
The good thing with keeping Joe Barry is consistently, D not having to start over. But the bad thing with keeping him is consistency. Will he be aggressive, and adjust scheme to players he has?
That’s as big of an IF as Jordan Love is. So much youth on offense, makes me think growing pains will cost wins, but ship going in the right direction. Ground and pound baby!
Really hard to say as there are so many changes. Lots of youth on offense and there will be growing pains. Lots of talent on defense that is cancelled out by having a terrible DC (Thanks MLF). Again hard to say but I would guess 6-8 wins.
Love is hurt in the opener against the Bears..The Packers picked up Carson Wentz and he is okay. Love comes back, but can't supplant Wentz. The Packers win 9 or 10 with decent defense and special teams. They lose in the first round in a close one.
I hope not and most likely they wouldn't draft Clifford in round 5 to have him be a non participant. it will be fun watching Love and the receivers develop with little expectation to win. I think they can win 8 to 11 games.
Wins? Don’t talk about - wins? You kidding me? Wins? I just hope we can score a point.
I am going to say 10 or 11 wins .Barry is finally on the hot-seat. I do see the "D" stepping it up this year though still troubled with the run "D". Also the weakest link "imo" is projected to be a starter as of now. ( Savage)
The "O" looks good to me with all the ingredients healthy as of now. I hope Love lights it up this year and we can all sit back and enjoy the ride.
@Johnson posted:Love is hurt in the opener against the Bears..The Packers picked up Carson Wentz and he is okay. Love comes back, but can't supplant Wentz. The Packers win 9 or 10 with decent defense and special teams. They lose in the first round in a close one.
I hope not and most likely they wouldn't draft Clifford in round 5 to have him be a non participant. it will be fun watching Love and the receivers develop with little expectation to win. I think they can win 8 to 11 games.
Wait.
Did someone ask us to write stream of consciousness predictions while on edibles?
Punny.
Quit posting and start cheering for a Brewer victory!!!
5-7 with a slow start that may include bad losses to Atlanta and/or Denver, then heating up with a win over the Vikings (throwing the rubes into a meltdown) and finishing on a promising upward trend, including a solid win over the Bears, squashing their playoff hopes.
@ammo posted:Quit posting and start cheering for a Brewer victory!!!
Yeah, um, about that….
@MichiganPacker posted:I'll say 8.
at Chicago LOSS (which kicks off a minor panic)at Atlanta WINvs. New Orleans WINvs. Detroit WINat Las Vegas LOSSat Denver WINvs. Minnesota WINvs. LA Rams WINat Pittsburgh LOSSvs. LA Chargers LOSSat Detroit LOSSvs. Kansas City LOSSat NY Giants LOSSvs. Tampa Bay WINat Carolina WINat Minnesota LOSSvs Chicago LOSS(Edited to correct that the final Bears game is in Green Bay)
Preston Smith was on a podcast the other day where the host picked the Packers to be 6-2, in their first 8 games. The host had the Packers losing their first two games( Chicago and Atlanta) and winning the next 6 games. Preston said 6-2 would be a good record, after 8 games, but also said that he has never lost to the Bears in his career, either with the Packers or with Washington. He said he is not about to start losing to Chicago now! GO PACK, GO!!!
I don't think they will win many close games this year. In limited time, Love has shown the propensity to turn the ball over in pressure situations and in the RZ.
On Defense, teams know they can run at will against us and will do so. Without the threat of Rodgers on the other sideline, no need to get impatient so just marticulate against Barry's soft scheme all day long.
7 wins.
I predicted 8 wins above, but I would guess the range is from 5 to 11.
If Bakhtiari and Jenkins are healthy and play up to what they were 3 years ago, everything on offense will look much better and I'd go with 10-11 wins. If one is dinged up and limited, I'll go with 7-8 wins. If they are both struggling to stay on the field, it could get ugly. When healthy, they would give the Packers the best left side of the OL in the league.
When I look at the schedule I don't see many really good opponents. KC and maybe the Chargers but the rest are middle of the road teams. I think the Packers really have a lot of talent on offense and with Rodgers gone they might play loose and really excel. I know there are tough road games but I see a lot of beatable teams that have just as many question marks or more than the Packers. Everyone seems to think the big issue is replacing Rodgers but he led an 8-9 team with a QB rating of 91. Love doesn't even have to play very good to match that. If the defense steps up this team could win 11-12 games.
6 -11. Love will win as many games as AR did his first year. Love will have some WOW moments during the year as well as a few head scratcher moments. I am most interested to see how he responds when the team is down by 6 pts in the final two minutes to see if he is able to lead them down the field for a win or throw a brutal pick to end all hope. I have a sense it will be more of the latter. Hoping for the best tho.
Reasons for pessimism.
Reasons for optimism
@YATittle posted:Reasons for optimism
Good reads. So good I read it twice ! 
@YATittle posted:Reasons for pessimism.
The Packers have to find a way to finally stop the run and take the lead of this team until the offense sorts itself out.
If they don't stop the run teams will line up and run the ball at them until they can prove they can stop it.
If this defense has tons of talent on paper but will it finally show it?
I agree that Barry's scheme to stop the run and his questionable personnel decisions will determine our fate to a large degree.
We just need to get Kenny Clark some help for a change. I hope Wyatt is the answer or maybe Ford if we're lucky. We have lost some bodies on the line this year. Stop the "Run", number one defense this year . At least in the top"5" !
@The Heckler posted:The Packers have to find a way to finally stop the run and take the lead of this team until the offense sorts itself out.
If they don't stop the run teams will line up and run the ball at them until they can prove they can stop it.
If this defense has tons of talent on paper but will it finally show it?
The best teams are the ones that learnt from their mistakes. Barry seemed to have done a bit of that later last season. I hope it carries over.
@PackerPatrick posted:The best teams are the ones that learnt from their mistakes. Barry seemed to have done a bit of that later last season. I hope it carries over.
I agree that Barry seemed to learn as the season went on and the defense actually played pretty well down the stretch. They played fast and aggressive down the stretch so hopefully they can learn from that and carry this team.
How many wins? I would say that it’s more than the national pundits are predicting.
@Floridarob posted:6 -11. Love will win as many games as AR did his first year. Love will have some WOW moments during the year as well as a few head scratcher moments. I am most interested to see how he responds when the team is down by 6 pts in the final two minutes to see if he is able to lead them down the field for a win or throw a brutal pick to end all hope. I have a sense it will be more of the latter. Hoping for the best tho.
One of my biggest concerns with Love is ball security. He turned the ball over a fair amount in college and looked a little careless in his first couple of NFL appearances. Hopefully he has learned from and outgrown some of that.
@13X posted:One of my biggest concerns with Love is ball security. He turned the ball over a fair amount in college and looked a little careless in his first couple of NFL appearances. Hopefully he has learned from and outgrown some of that.
Fun Fact - AR’s highest Int % for his career where his first and third seasons as a starter (2.4% and 2.3%).
Fun Fact II - AR’s Int % his last season at Cal was 2.5%.
He must have learned with coaching and experience as those numbers decreased over time.
I will watch like I grew up watching. You watch the game wanting them to win and if they don't, you watch next week.
@PackerPatrick posted:The best teams are the ones that learnt from their mistakes. Barry seemed to have done a bit of that later last season. I hope it carries over.
Same thing many said after 2021.
@Herschel posted:Same thing many said after 2021.
Pretty much was I was thinking, hope we’re not saying the same thing a year from now
They're very similar to the 2008 Packers in a lot ways, beyond just the eerie similarities in breaking in a 4th year/rookie starter QB who has sat behind a HOFer that got traded to the Jets. Both teams had strength on OL, CB, starting pass rusher, RB, 1 Free Safety, with some mixed young and veteran pieces at LB and DL, but huge question marks at TE, Strong Safety, Defensive Coordinator, and ultimately at QB. 2008 obviously had a really established group of WRs though that made a huge difference. Problem was injuries worked over the depth of that team and an ineffective DC couldn't make any adjustments for that. Average margin of victory was 17, when they actually won, they won big. Average margin of loss was just 6, so they were in every game, they just couldn't close. If they had been healthy maybe they could have won more of those games.
Those things factor in to this team as well. If everyone is healthy + Love plays like he's physically capable of playing, which is to say like a franchise QB, then this team should easily go 10-7, maybe better. That's not super realistic, so maybe they drop a couple games because of health like 2008 and maybe Love has a couple stinkers like Rodgers did in 2008 (3 INTs against TAM and NOR). 6-11 to 8-9 for expectations feels realistic. If everything goes right they will be elite, if everything goes wrong we will be picking in the top 5.
@PackLandVA posted:Fun Fact - AR’s highest Int % for his career where his first and third seasons as a starter (2.4% and 2.3%).
Fun Fact II - AR’s Int % his last season at Cal was 2.5%.
He must have learned with coaching and experience as those numbers decreased over time.
Rodgers has the lowest interception rate in NFL history. Expectations will likely need to be adjusted.
Was gonna start a new thread but thought it would be better here. Here are the only differences in the schedules of the teams in the NFC North (other than Home/Away):
Packers - Rams, @ Giants, @Steelers
Lions - Seahawks, @ Cowboys, @ Ravens
Vikings - Niners, @ Eagles, @ Bengals
Bears - Cards, @ Redskins, @ Browns
That's it. That's the difference in the schedules of all the NFCM teams. Vikings clearly have the toughest go based on last season and projections of the other teams going into this season.