I am too lazy to scroll down this topic and he might have already been mentioned but I ran across this fella in someone else’s post. Jon Heacock . He might be an interesting candidate from the college ranks.
https://cyclones.com/sports/fo...hes/jon-heacock/1564
I admire coaches who do more with less and feel that guys who do that are underrated.
Matt LaFleur on how he wants #Packers new defense to look: "If you look at the great defenses around the league, there's a certain mentality that comes with that. And it's not necessarily what you're calling, but how you're playing every call."
— Ryan Wood (@ByRyanWood) February 1, 2021
Translation: we were soft.
We played prevent defense about 90% of the time. The best defenses are ones that can stop the run consistently, blitz on occasion, but get pressure with rushing 4 or 5 only. Tampa got a ton of pressure bringing 4. That will get you beat more often than not.
Packers need to move to that model of defense no matter who is calling the plays.
Also, I call copious amounts of bullshit on "Pettine had a miscommunication with LaFleur, he THOUGHT he said he wanted man."
You've been a goddamn NFL coach and DC for over 2 decades...put your thinking cap on you moron...you KNOW man in that situation is wrong.
@michiganjoe posted:Matt LaFleur on how he wants #Packers new defense to look: "If you look at the great defenses around the league, there's a certain mentality that comes with that. And it's not necessarily what you're calling, but how you're playing every call."
— Ryan Wood (@ByRyanWood) February 1, 2021Translation: we were soft.
A new DC is needed so I'm glad they took the step to replace Pettine. That said, GB still needs some dogs in the middle of that defense at the LB position and another dude to line up next to Clark. Maybe Keke is that guy...
Even if Pettine and LaFleur were on the same page with MAN as the call, King played it poorly. You can be in MAN and not have to press at the LOS. Before the snap both King and Jaire were 5 yards off the LOS. At the snap Jaire had moved to almost 10 yards off and was sprinting to deep man coverage. King, was flat footed at the snap and by the time he took a step to cover the deep corner, Miller was sprinting past him. Look at the foot positioning for each CB.
Look at King v Jaire on the snap. King's feet on the turf, Jaire is beginning his move...
King loses his cushion while Jaire maintains his.
Both are running with the WR, but King is inside Miller, while Jaire has the outside on (I think Evans), being outside gives him inside S help.
Man coverage can work here, but situational awareness is key.
All the talent in the world cannot overcome bad technique or ignorance.
I think a CB in round 1 isn't a bad idea.
Kris Richard would be great...but Gutey is gonna have to start spending draft picks on ILB that can run.
agree, but neither is a Linebacker, offensive linemen, defensive linemen or WR.
Moving on from Mike Pettine means taking his philosophy and tendencies with him, including how he wants to build a defense. Matt LaFleur’s DC pick reset the team’s personnel priorities.
If Rondale Moore is sitting there in R1 I see no scenario where GB doesn’t take him. He fits the need for sure - an elite athlete, a premier RAC guy, and someone that could be deadly in the slot or Ervin type role. I also think he could be a return guy if need be.
Yes, given other needs at LB and DL and CB it would seem like more of a luxury pick but could you imagine defenses having to defend Adams and MVS (deep) and Tonyan and now Moore? Good luck with that.
It's not a luxury pick at all. One Trick Pony shows up one out four games.
@Tschmack posted:If Rondale Moore is sitting there in R1 I see no scenario where GB doesn’t take him. He fits the need for sure - an elite athlete, a premier RAC guy, and someone that could be deadly in the slot or Ervin type role. I also think he could be a return guy if need be.
Yes, given other needs at LB and DL and CB it would seem like more of a luxury pick but could you imagine defenses having to defend Adams and MVS (deep) and Tonyan and now Moore? Good luck with that.
We led the league in scoring. We don't NEED a WR.
Moore could also solve their issues in the return game. Pretty sure that is in NEED of improving.
He probably won’t last to the Packers so it may be a moot point anyway.
WTF does "leading the league in scoring" matter if you can't get out of the NFCCG when one of the reasons is your offense went dark, specifically your WR's couldn't get separation?
Our guys were "good enough" until it came time to beat a defense that could man up and actually use our overall lack of speed against us. I guess we'll just cross our fingers the next time we're in the playoffs and face the same defense or another one like it. You're either getting better or you're getting gone.
@DH13 posted:WTF does "leading the league in scoring" matter if you can't get out of the NFCCG when one of the reasons is your offense went dark, specifically your WR's couldn't get separation?
Our guys were "good enough" until it came time to beat a defense that could man up and actually use our overall lack of speed against us. I guess we'll just cross our fingers the next time we're in the playoffs and face the same defense or another one like it. You're either getting better or you're getting gone.
WTF did our WR have to do with not blocking Tampa's line or King getting burned on defense?
MVS 115 yards and a TD
Lazard 6 catches 62 yards
WE MUST REPLACE THEM?
Our fucking WRs got open whenever the QB had time. NEXT!
@Goalline posted:WTF did our WR have to do with not blocking Tampa's line or King getting burned on defense?
MVS 115 yards and a TD
Lazard 6 catches 62 yards
WE MUST REPLACE THEM?
Our fucking WRs got open whenever the QB had time. NEXT!
YES!!! Anyone who thinks are WR's are the reason we lost to TB must have not been watching the game. 1) Four of our five o-lineman got their asses handed to them in one-on-ones 2) The Smiths were invisible 3) King & Sullivan couldn't cover. WRs are the least of our worries.
They totally are, and Gute and Mayo know that. Would it be nice to have better WRs? YES! Are we close to perfect there? NO! Can we beat anyone in the league with these WRs? HELL YEAH! It's not a need.
Don't forget we also have Funchess in 2021.
Next? Easy, Richard Simmons.
3 turnovers = 0 points.
Q4 = 3pts.
3 downs GTG on final drive = 3pts after 3 pass plays where nobody gets open.
Look at their three and outs and failed 3rd downs. They didn't stick to the run when they should have and guys weren't getting open to move the sticks and score.
Guess what helps an OL out when the DL keeps getting beat? Quick throws to receivers...who are open.
I'm not saying we need to spend a RD1 on one but they desperately need a legit #2.
What I would have liked to have seen was for us to go to a FB in front of Jones (Dafney?). We couldn't run on them because they had one more defender than we had blocker for the majority of snaps. Vs. the Rams we motioned one of the RBs out, the LBer would go with them and that left 5 blockers vs. 5 defenders and we know how that turned out. When we tried that in the first series vs. TB their ILBer stayed inside the tackles, knowing that they are fast enough to get out to Jones when the ball was in the air. This also allowed them to keep a 2 deep safety look with man coverage underneath. When we motioned the TE inside, the defender covering him just covered him up, still leaving them with one more defender. If we put a FB in front of Jones they would have had to bring one of their safeties down if they wanted to maintain their "1 more defender than blocker" advantage". If they did it would have given our 3 wideouts more options vs. 1 rather than 2 safeties. If they didn't it would have helped our chances of running vs. them. Of course I am basing this on "what I though I saw" in real time. Anyone who has access to the game can correct me if I am mistaken.
@Goalline posted:We led the league in scoring. We don't NEED a WR.
While I don't disagree, interesting that this is a common perception now but during last offseason WR was a "#1 need" for the team.
Just goes to show that each season has its own needs that aren't always obvious during the offseason. Which is probably why BPA usually works pretty well.
@FLPACKER posted:What I would have liked to have seen was for us to go to a FB in front of Jones (Dafney?). We couldn't run on them because they had one more defender than we had blocker for the majority of snaps. Vs. the Rams we motioned one of the RBs out, the LBer would go with them and that left 5 blockers vs. 5 defenders and we know how that turned out. When we tried that in the first series vs. TB their ILBer stayed inside the tackles, knowing that they are fast enough to get out to Jones when the ball was in the air. This also allowed them to keep a 2 deep safety look with man coverage underneath. When we motioned the TE inside, the defender covering him just covered him up, still leaving them with one more defender. If we put a FB in front of Jones they would have had to bring one of their safeties down if they wanted to maintain their "1 more defender than blocker" advantage". If they did it would have given our 3 wideouts more options vs. 1 rather than 2 safeties. If they didn't it would have helped our chances of running vs. them. Of course I am basing this on "what I though I saw" in real time. Anyone who has access to the game can correct me if I am mistaken.
Very interesting point. A whole lot more thoughtful than the brigade going on and on about how badly we needed "Jerry Rice in his prime".
@vitaflo posted:While I don't disagree, interesting that this is a common perception now but during last offseason WR was a "#1 need" for the team.
Just goes to show that each season has its own needs that aren't always obvious during the offseason. Which is probably why BPA usually works pretty well.
Exactly! Would you rather take Stephon Diggs or Aaron Donald? Donald is a hell of a lot better. Not that needs are not important. I would rather take Stephon Diggs than Tom Brady even though I think Brady is the better player.
Good point. Don Hutson?
Here’s the the thing. For MVS, he had 20 yards per catch. 6 TDs. He probably could have had 2-3 more easily. 5th round pick. He did his job against Tampa. And for all his warts he’s a guy you have to honor downfield because he can run past you.
Lazard was OK this year as well. Big target. But do teams fear him? Nope. Every team has a possession guy like that. He’s replaceable. And not really a threat to defenses due to being lack of being really good at anything.
ESB. Really? Move along.
Adams is Adams. He’s a stud. Does a lot of the dirty work and works his ass off. Clutch. Usually money but had an off game and it cost them v Tampa. Still, he may have the best footwork and body control and hands in the league. In the red zone he’s unstoppable.
Tonyan used to fly under the radar but not so much anymore. Decent red zone threat. Could be used more than they do, but he’s legit. Good size and athleticism and instincts.
Yes they scored a lot of points. And racked up yards. But when it counted in the playoffs there were times they struggled both against LA and Tampa.
You add a quick twitch RAC dynamo like Rondale Moore and man, that’s when the shit gets real. Against a team that has speed on defense you beat speed with speed. Moore has that. And it would require a team like Tampa to take less chances (blitz) or get burned a lot more than they did.
This notion they should pass on a WR like Moore is silly. He makes them much more dangerous and less predictable.
Nobody gets open"
That's just not true.
Here's one of the now infamous 6 plays inside the 10 where Rodgers tunnel visions on Davante instead of going through his reads. Guys look kind of "open" to me.
Lazard is a great #3, working his way up to be a solid #2. More importantly, he is an all around great football player with the confidence to make big plays in big moments. Guys like that are not easily "replaceable." If they were, there wouldn't be the Malik Taylor's and Sheppard 's of the NFL on every roster.
@Packdog posted:That's just not true.
Here's one of the now infamous 6 plays inside the 10 where Rodgers tunnel visions on Davante instead of going through his reads. Guys look kind of "open" to me.
Our Wrs are a whole lot better than we give them credit for. Yeah, other than Adams they are not great, but they can play. The last thing we need to do is draft 10 first round WRs so Arod can ignore them for 3 years.
Only on a Green Bay Packer fan forum do we see people describe the majority of the pieces of the #1 offense with the MVP QB that scored 60 points in the playoffs against two top 5 defenses as basically as average or nothing special. 😂
