@GBFanForLife posted:I wasn't referring to anyone. The majority of this thread is filled with negativity.
Fair enough. To me this game is the indicator of the Packers being real contenders for a Super Bowl.
@Tschmack posted:What needs to happen is GB needs to get a lead early and force the Titans to abandon the run. Much like what the Packers did to Minnesota in their first game where Dalvin Cook was a non factor. That’s how you beat a team like the Titans.
There’s going to be a coaching staff that is smart enough to not abandon the run even if they’re behind and it will pay off. The Titans are prime candidates.
To DH13’s comment, without a doubt P needs to show some discipline. Maybe he’s over aggressive after getting off CB duty.
@Henry posted:Pretty sure you’ve been around these parts. Don’t act like a butthurt pussy newcomer.
I agree with you Love is likely a stiff but he isn’t a scrambler like Young, etc. The play style comparison to Hundley is pretty accurate, pocket passer except Hundley had zero athleticism and about the same decision making skills as Love. (Hell, even that’s an insult to Love) I think Love becoming an Alex Smith style game manager with a little extra oomph is a win. It’s not a move up in the first round, piss away a fourth rounder type of win but it’s a pretty solid get.
You have to build a solid defense and a good run game around the kid.
On paper, the kid is phenomenal. On tape, he succeeded in a dumper pass offense with WR getting a shit ton of YAC. When that went away he was an interception machine. His worst play wasn’t always when he was hucking INTs either, it was his overall ability to see the field. He has the athleticism to pull some amazing shit out of his ass but as we all know that’s a rough transition into the NFL.
I think people (Fanta buttsniffer) thinking all his current defects are coachable are incorrect. Kark can’t read the field for shit either and that’s never going to change.
Also, the comparison to the Rodgers pick is absurd. Rodgers was so far ahead in college compared to Love it’s stupid to even suggest it’s the same situation.
Butthurt? Absolutely not. Just calling out the maturity level of the internet tough guys. Instead of debating, it’s name calling and insults. Sounds like the 4th grade playground.
You want to talk football, X’s and O’s, argue if Love will be good, let’s do it.
For example, you made some valid points. I didn’t make any comparison to the Rodgers pick. Calling him a running QB was wrong on my part. I hope I’m wrong, but he doesn’t impress me in the least.
The Titans are 5-4 in their last 9 games. They're a good team with a very impressive running game. Henry is going to get his yards without a doubt.
I want to see GB playing a heavy front 7 on defense with regular run/pass blitzing. The corners need to be trusted to man up on the outside and shut it down. I think Alexander and company are up to the task.
@Boneio posted:Butthurt? Absolutely not. Just calling out the maturity level of the internet tough guys. Instead of debating, it’s name calling and insults. Sounds like the 4th grade playground.
You want to talk football, X’s and O’s, argue if Love will be good, let’s do it.
For example, you made some valid points. I didn’t make any comparison to the Rodgers pick. Calling him a running QB was wrong on my part. I hope I’m wrong, but he doesn’t impress me in the least.
Yeah, but I’m a 12 year old Free Range Ahole. Roll with the punches brother. Let Brainded be your mentor. That guy takes so much shit and just shovels it back.
And I wasn’t pointing the Rodgers comments at you. I start with a direct statement then wander off into stream of consciousness meant for no one unless I call them a Fanta buttsniffer.
Besides, debates like this are “I’m fucking bored” commentary even though I’m 100% right and everyone else is a bunch of stupid choads.
Texas Tech is a solid football program? Since when? Maybe when Mike Leach was there. But that’s the epitome of a mediocre program going back decades. And they don’t play defense in that conference other than maybe TCU.
We’ll see where Love ends up long term, but I do know his best year (sophomore) he had good talent around him, relatively speaking. The following year, not so much and it showed. Back to Mahomes- he gets a lot of help from Tyreek Hill who might be the best deep threat WR we’ve seen since Randy Moss in his prime.
I'm hoping Pettine actually commits this week to a heavier front instead of all the dime safety stuff he wants to run. Kenny Clark seems to be playing better the last few weeks, which is a necessity against the Titans OL. Lowry is a liability - it keeps showing up week after week. He had the second-most DL snaps last week after Clark, which shows there is really no good DL option alongside Clark on the roster. Keke has been progressing, and has been great for pass rush, but is a work in progress on run D. I'd say run with the rookie LB's, throw them into the fire and leave Kirksey as the 3rd LB. (EDIT: I also bet that the Titans will run at King and Sullivan. They are weak links for tackling in the secondary.) The Packer's O should be fine.
@Pakrz posted:The Titans are 5-4 in their last 9 games. They're a good team with a very impressive running game. Henry is going to get his yards without a doubt.
I want to see GB playing a heavy front 7 on defense with regular run/pass blitzing. The corners need to be trusted to man up on the outside and shut it down. I think Alexander and company are up to the task.
I’m looking forward to Alexander and King on an island. I think we see some picks.
@Tschmack posted:Texas Tech is a solid football program? Since when? Maybe when Mike Leach was there. But that’s the epitome of a mediocre program going back decades. And they don’t play defense in that conference other than maybe TCU.
We’ll see where Love ends up long term, but I do know his best year (sophomore) he had good talent around him, relatively speaking. The following year, not so much and it showed. Back to Mahomes- he gets a lot of help from Tyreek Hill who might be the best deep threat WR we’ve seen since Randy Moss in his prime.
You think a Mountain West team like Utah State is more competitive? Okay.
Texas Tech still draws talent regardless of their scheme and record and plays much better teams. Comparing Mahomes and Love is just as goofy as comparing Rodgers and Love.
I think you need to load up to stop the run but that’s not really Pettine’s style. He would rather keep things in front of him and play more nickel and dime and zone. That won’t work against a run first team like the Titans.
I’d much rather get burned on a couple of longer pass plays compared to letting a team methodically work down the field on the ground.
I never said Utah State was a powerhouse or played in a tough conference.
But the Big XII isn’t exactly known for featuring teams that have good defenses and the offenses tend to spread out and score a lot of points. And QBs do well in those schemes putting up big numbers.
My parents lived in Lubbock for a period of time. TT is all that there is in that town not unlike U of Arizona in Tucson. At least UA has been decent in college basketball.
Pat Mahomes wasn’t considered a can’t miss prospect. In fact, there are some similarities between Love and Mahomes. More than we probably would like to admit. Doesn’t guarantee anything, I know. But he was taken late 1st round. Would I have wanted a LB or WR instead? Sure. I wanted Jonathan Taylor as well and didn’t happen. A lot of people are probably wondering why Jalen Hurts wasn’t taken earlier.
@Boneio posted:Oh for Christ sake. Don’t turn this into a race thing. Tim Tebow? There make you feel better.
Yeah, tell Packer Hawk to piss off. I'm the only one allowed to be racist on X4. Mostly because I am so good at it.
@50k Club posted:I'm hoping Pettine actually commits this week to a heavier front instead of all the dime
Can we make you defensive coordinator instead? Pettine is coming out with a full dime package.
@Tschmack posted:Texas Tech is a solid football program? Since when? Maybe when Mike Leach was there. But that’s the epitome of a mediocre program going back decades. And they don’t play defense in that conference other than maybe TCU.
We’ll see where Love ends up long term, but I do know his best year (sophomore) he had good talent around him, relatively speaking. The following year, not so much and it showed. Back to Mahomes- he gets a lot of help from Tyreek Hill who might be the best deep threat WR we’ve seen since Randy Moss in his prime.
Tyreek Hill really stretches the field, but Kelce is just as important. He's a HOF tight end who may be the best TE in history in finding holes in zone coverages for Mahomes to connect with him.
Rodgers has always been good, but it's no coincidence that he has gone to the next level (top 5 All-time instead of just "merely" HOF level) when he has a good TE. The peak Rodgers years were the two MVP years (2011, 2014); 2012 and 2016, and this year. Finley was healthy for most of 2011 and 2012. In 2014, Quarless was healthy and above average. 2016 was Cook's one year with Green Bay, and Tonyan has emerged this year.
In those five years, Rodgers has thrown 202 TDs against 30 interceptions. Over the rest of his career (the equivalent of about 7 seasons), he's more mortal (202 TDs and 58 interceptions).
In those 5 years, he's thrown 45, 38, 39, 40, and 40 (and counting) TD passes. Other than those 5 years, he's not thrown more than 31 TD passes in a season. The featured TEs for many of those years were guys like Richard Rodgers and washed-up versions of M. Bennett and J. Graham.
Mahomes has Kelce. Brady demanded he get Gronk back this year to play in Tampa Bay (check out Brady's stats some time in terms of with and without Gronk on the field over the last decade). Brees was best with peak Jimmy Graham and won a Super Bowl with Jeremy Shockey. The Niners offense became a lot more pedestrian this year without Kittle. Having a TE that other teams have to worry about makes great offensive teams elite. Tonyan isn't Kelce or Kittle, but he's been a difference-maker for Rodgers and the Packers.
@Henry posted:Comparing Mahomes and Love is just as goofy as comparing Rodgers and Love.
Fuck you! I will compare whomever I want. I secretly just compared you to Jaymo.
I love that we can now drop EFF BOMBS on the site. Expect to see it a lot. 
From Fansided last year. A lot of range on these projections.
https://thedraftnetwork.com/pl...rdan-love/PbA4nRzHfK
Jordan Love pro comparisons
- ClutchPoints compares Love to Bengals quarterback and former second-rounder, Andy Dalton.
- The Draft Network compares Love to former 49ers quarterback and former second-rounder, Colin Kaepernick.
- NFL.com’s Lance Zierlein compares Love to former Jaguars quarterback and former No. 3 overall pick, Blake Bortles.
- PFF doesn’t have a pro comparison for Love, but they caution “buyer beware.”
- Bleacher Report’s Mike Tanier writes Love is the ultimate boom or bust prospect.
- ESPN’s Todd McShay compares Love to Patrick Mahomes and Jimmy Garoppolo.
“He’s so talented but he’s inconsistent and it’s the same thing you see on tape. The only consistent part of his game is how inconsistent he is with his accuracy,” McShay said. “His decision making and his accuracy have got to improve.
“Those are the two most important aspects of the quarterback position. A lot of people said the same thing about Patrick Mahomes coming out of college out of Texas Tech and we’ve seen what he’s been able to do. ”
Boom or bust, bust or boom.
Hoping against hope that the HOF adv, Number 1 seed is decided this weekend. Maybe, just maybe they could activate the number 1 draft choice against the Bears in Chicago and see what we have here.
Of course that depends on how they think he has progressed in the system etc.
Saving his debut for next preseason seems to be what is in store for him BUT who knows if there will be a preseason in 2021.
Why not?
@Henry posted:You can’t be racist dummy.
Shit! I was afraid someone would say that.
@Boneio posted:Oh for Christ sake. Don’t turn this into a race thing. Tim Tebow? There make you feel better.
Hey, you took that path when you called him a RB at QB (who makes that assumption about a white QB?) and then made the lazy comparison of the black QB to other black QB's even though there is nothing similar in their style of play.
You stereotyped him because of the color of his skin. Don't try to tell us otherwise.
@MichiganPacker2 posted:From Fansided last year. A lot of range on these projections.
https://thedraftnetwork.com/pl...rdan-love/PbA4nRzHfK
Jordan Love pro comparisons
- ClutchPoints compares Love to Bengals quarterback and former second-rounder, Andy Dalton.
- The Draft Network compares Love to former 49ers quarterback and former second-rounder, Colin Kaepernick.
- NFL.com’s Lance Zierlein compares Love to former Jaguars quarterback and former No. 3 overall pick, Blake Bortles.
- PFF doesn’t have a pro comparison for Love, but they caution “buyer beware.”
- Bleacher Report’s Mike Tanier writes Love is the ultimate boom or bust prospect.
- ESPN’s Todd McShay compares Love to Patrick Mahomes and Jimmy Garoppolo.
“He’s so talented but he’s inconsistent and it’s the same thing you see on tape. The only consistent part of his game is how inconsistent he is with his accuracy,” McShay said. “His decision making and his accuracy have got to improve.
“Those are the two most important aspects of the quarterback position. A lot of people said the same thing about Patrick Mahomes coming out of college out of Texas Tech and we’ve seen what he’s been able to do. ”
Perfect write up. This is a risky pick, but if MLF can mould this guy his potential is so high. Unfortunately, his floor is really low too.
@Pikes Peak posted:Boom or bust, bust or boom.
Hoping against hope that the HOF adv, Number 1 seed is decided this weekend. Maybe, just maybe they could activate the number 1 draft choice against the Bears in Chicago and see what we have here.
Of course that depends on how they think he has progressed in the system etc.
Saving his debut for next preseason seems to be what is in store for him BUT who knows if there will be a preseason in 2021.
Why not?
That would be awesome!
Mike Vrabel points out the #Packers are 10-0 this season when they don't turn it over...which I didn't know.
— Wes Hodkiewicz (@WesHod) December 23, 2020
Almost as if the Packers have to beat themselves to lose.
@PackerHawk posted:Hey, you took that path when you called him a RB at QB (who makes that assumption about a white QB?) and then made the lazy comparison of the black QB to other black QB's even though there is nothing similar in their style of play.
You stereotyped him because of the color of his skin. Don't try to tell us otherwise.
@Pikes Peak posted:Boom or bust, bust or boom.
Hoping against hope that the HOF adv, Number 1 seed is decided this weekend. Maybe, just maybe they could activate the number 1 draft choice against the Bears in Chicago and see what we have here.
Of course that depends on how they think he has progressed in the system etc.
Saving his debut for next preseason seems to be what is in store for him BUT who knows if there will be a preseason in 2021.
Why not?
I think the most pertinent question in all this is one I hope they don't have to answer this year. If Rodgers was unavailable (an injury or a COVID diagnosis), would Boyle or Love give them a better chance to win a game. Love has had 5 months to learn the system and participate in practices. He should be approaching that point by now. It's not like Boyle is some experienced veteran with demonstrated experience executing NFL offenses (like a Chad Henne or Flacco)
From all indications, Boyle has improved substantially. But you obviously don't draft Jordan Love if you think Boyle is good enough to be Rodgers' successor.
@PackerHawk posted:Hey, you took that path when you called him a RB at QB (who makes that assumption about a white QB?) and then made the lazy comparison of the black QB to other black QB's even though there is nothing similar in their style of play.
You stereotyped him because of the color of his skin. Don't try to tell us otherwise.
Wow, there are no words to the stupidity of that post.
But let me spell it out for 10 year old little Johnny.
Running backs are both black and white. Quarterbacks are both black and white. No where in my post did I make a reference to skin color. Keep reaching strawman.
@MichiganPacker2 posted:I think the most pertinent question in all this is one I hope they don't have to answer this year. If Rodgers was unavailable (an injury or a COVID diagnosis), would Boyle or Love give them a better chance to win a game. Love has had 5 months to learn the system and participate in practices. He should be approaching that point by now. It's not like Boyle is some experienced veteran with demonstrated experience executing NFL offenses (like a Chad Henne or Flacco)
From all indications, Boyle has improved substantially. But you obviously don't draft Jordan Love if you think Boyle is good enough to be Rodgers' successor.
This year? Boyle, EASILY. Love is a 3 year project.
@Boneio posted:Wow, there are no words to the stupidity of that post.
But let me spell it out for 10 year old little Johnny.
Running backs are both black and white. Quarterbacks are both black and white. No where in my post did I make a reference to skin color. Keep reaching strawman.
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— Rob Demovsky (@RobDemovsky) December 23, 2020
@PackerHawk posted:Hey, you took that path when you called him a RB at QB (who makes that assumption about a white QB?) and then made the lazy comparison of the black QB to other black QB's even though there is nothing similar in their style of play.
You stereotyped him because of the color of his skin. Don't try to tell us otherwise.
PROFILER!
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This place sounds like a rowdy family Christmas gathering...we’re arguing about sports, politics, and racism (all encapsulated in the single topic “Tim Tebow”). How very 2017 of you all, but it’s 2020 and family gatherings are gauche and that means we all get a break from personal insults, Tebow based discussions, and any other topic that makes Henry dig into his seemingly endless bank of slightly insulting/occasionally gross bag of nicknames.
It’s a gift. Again, Goalline can’t be a racist.
@Grave Digger posted:This place sounds like a rowdy family Christmas gathering...we’re arguing about sports, politics, and racism (all encapsulated in the single topic “Tim Tebow”). How very 2017 of you all, but it’s 2020 and family gatherings are gauche and that means we all get a break from personal insults, Tebow based discussions, and any other topic that makes Henry dig into his seemingly endless bank of slightly insulting/occasionally gross bag of nicknames.
Best post ever.
@Henry posted:It’s a gift. Again, Goalline can’t be a racist.
Yet another thing white people get to keep for themselves. 
Since apparently my Sicilian blood has me half-way between white and black, you can all kiss my ass.
Halfway? Ain't no halfway thing here, bro. Fucking, Africans.