Wonder where he would be today if GB hadn't won another title in 2010? It makes the decision between $8 million and a shot at a ring or $9 million tougher.
Fortunately, they did win another.
Lots of jibber jabber going on. The bottom line is one organization has been much more successful than the other and has more fans worldwide. Although we have no influence on the outcome of games, it is entertaining and enjoyable to watch the Packers put a very solid product on the field year after year.
quote:Originally posted by Jaymo:quote:Originally posted by Henry:
Do you want to compare drafting and FA moves of Holmgren and Wolf to the Vagines and what the end result was? And when were those players brought in?
Well, why don't you make up your mind. Do the packlers simply draft and develop talent, unlike any other team, or not? Charles Woodson would like to know....quote:Originally posted by Henry:
That would actually have to happen in the first place. Packers draft them and win championships with them, you overpay them on their way down. The stats sure are pretty though. Too bad it never amounts to anything.
You brought up the 1996 team, a completely different era. Bert was brought in as a young developmental guy and Reggie in his prime, not on the way down. But a educated NFL fan would know that. The Packers, under Wolf and Holmgren, built one of the last dominate Superbowl teams of that era using FA and draft philosophy. TT has adapted to the modern age using a structure that is a known proven winner.
So pick an era to superimpose Vagine futility on, I don't care.
quote:Originally posted by tsr86free:
Lots of jibber jabber going on. The bottom line is one organization has been much more successful than the other and has more fans worldwide. Although we have no influence on the outcome of games, it is entertaining and enjoyable to watch the Packers put a very solid product on the field year after year.
How old are you? Apparently you weren't around for the 20 years of so before Favre was drafted.
The Vikings are the New York Jets of the NFC North. The Jets keep trying to keep up with the successful and better Patriots while the Patriots just keep strolling along and kicking their asses. The Vikings keep paddling upstream as fast as they can and at the end of the day, get knocked back down and get their asses kicked by the Packers. I wish they could be a rival but they will never get to the level of the Bears. I hate the Bears but respect their history and their fans. The Vikings have NEVER done anything to gain any respect.
We should send an invitation out to Champ and Gonzo the viking fans that use to spew their JayMO style nonsense around here before leaving with their tail between their legs.
We should send an invitation out to Champ and Gonzo the viking fans that use to spew their JayMO style nonsense around here before leaving with their tail between their legs.
quote:Originally posted by Henry:
You brought up the 1996 team, a completely different era. Bert was brought in as a young developmental guy and Reggie in his prime, not on the way down. But a educated NFL fan would know that. The Packers, under Wolf and Holmgren, built one of the last dominate Superbowl teams of that era using FA and draft philosophy. TT has adapted to the modern age using a structure that is a known proven winner.
So pick an era to superimpose Vagine futility on, I don't care.
So basically, you prefer to use the entire packler history when talking championships, but only want to go back so far when talking fa/drafts?
That's very convenient, Henry.
quote:Originally posted by Jaymo:quote:Originally posted by tsr86free:
Lots of jibber jabber going on. The bottom line is one organization has been much more successful than the other and has more fans worldwide. Although we have no influence on the outcome of games, it is entertaining and enjoyable to watch the Packers put a very solid product on the field year after year.
How old are you? Apparently you weren't around for the 20 years of so before Favre was drafted.
you are all over the map. You don't consider anything the Packers did prior to the first two super bowls relevant. Then you only want to consider the 70s and 80s when the team was the laughing stock of the league. And then you don't want to talk about the past 20 years other than to say it was FAvre that saved us. Uh, no it was Harlan, Wolf, and Holmgren that saved us. If Favre would have flamed out like he almost did, Wolf would done whatever was necessary to get another QB. In fact he had a pretty good one on the roster wiht Burnell that started in the NFL for what 15 years after leaving Green Bay. Breen Bay would have found a way without FAvre. It is called leadership. The Packers have had it the past 20 years, the Vikings have not. Keep searching for it tho. One day your rag tag bunch of blind squirrels leading the Vikings might actually luck out and hit on something pretty good. If I was a Viking fan I would not have a lot of confidence in it happening but hey any loser can hit a lottery number.
quote:Originally posted by Jaymo:quote:Originally posted by Henry:
You brought up the 1996 team, a completely different era. Bert was brought in as a young developmental guy and Reggie in his prime, not on the way down. But a educated NFL fan would know that. The Packers, under Wolf and Holmgren, built one of the last dominate Superbowl teams of that era using FA and draft philosophy. TT has adapted to the modern age using a structure that is a known proven winner.
So pick an era to superimpose Vagine futility on, I don't care.
So basically, you prefer to use the entire packler history when talking championships, but only want to go back so far when talking fa/drafts?
That's very convenient, Henry.
FA started in the early 90's...Can't really go back much further than Reggie....but of course you already knew that.
quote:Originally posted by Jaymo:quote:Originally posted by Henry:
You brought up the 1996 team, a completely different era. Bert was brought in as a young developmental guy and Reggie in his prime, not on the way down. But a educated NFL fan would know that. The Packers, under Wolf and Holmgren, built one of the last dominate Superbowl teams of that era using FA and draft philosophy. TT has adapted to the modern age using a structure that is a known proven winner.
So pick an era to superimpose Vagine futility on, I don't care.
So basically, you prefer to use the entire packler history when talking championships, but only want to go back so far when talking fa/drafts?
That's very convenient, Henry.
quote:Purple teabagger said:
I know right! Remember when they drafted Favre, White, and the rest of the '96 team?
That's what's being addressed. You keep chasing your tail little doggy.
quote:Originally posted by Jaymo:
How old are you? Apparently you weren't around for the 20 years of so before Favre was drafted.
Apple hit a rough patch of its own in the 80's. I wonder if the folks from Palm Pilot still take some solace in that today.
Anyone still have a Treo?
Please guys, give jaymo a break. I mean I'd act like he does to if my team traded what esentially was Emmitt Smith, Darrin Woodson, Alvin Harper, & Issiac Holt for Jake Reed and Herschel Walker. This allowed the Cowboys to be the dominate team of the early 90's.
Yes I know the Packers did the John Hadl trade too. But it never led to multiple Super Bowl victories that the Walker trade enabled Dallas to do that.
Yes I know the Packers did the John Hadl trade too. But it never led to multiple Super Bowl victories that the Walker trade enabled Dallas to do that.
This whole thing about Jennings and his stats- isn't it really more about Cobb? Who was getting the press? Cobb. Who was the sleeper pick that everyone was watching for? Cobb. When the networks promoted the game, who got mentioned with Rodgers? Cobb.
When he was alpha dog and all the other guys were having success he was ok. But when Conb emerged as McCarthy and Rodgers' go-to guy, that's when the Diva started coming out.
I think this will be h story that eventually comes to the surface.
When he was alpha dog and all the other guys were having success he was ok. But when Conb emerged as McCarthy and Rodgers' go-to guy, that's when the Diva started coming out.
I think this will be h story that eventually comes to the surface.
quote:Originally posted by Jaymo:
How old are you? Apparently you weren't around for the 20 years of so before Favre was drafted.
Paging Les Steckel! Paging Mr. Steckel!
quote:Originally posted by Fandame:
Paging Les Steckel! Paging Mr. Steckel!
Unfortunately, he only lasted a year with the Vikings. Holy Cow was that Viking team bad under his watch. The Packers absolutely blasted them in those games.
Bud Grant saw the wreckage and decided to return. Too bad, Grant actually made the Vikings respectable again very quickly. If Steckel had been around for a few years, they may have rivaled what the Lions were in the 2000s.
quote:And Jaymo will probably never pay a tax because just like the other chowderhead he's terrified of leaving the suburbs.
Interesting point
In my 12 years living in the TWC 11 of them were spent living in Minneapolis, and it was always amusing to me how paranoid some of the "locals" were to go to certain areas.
My favorite was living at Riverside Plaza and a couple of my white friends refused to come over because they were afraid of getting jacked. Yet they were the ones that rocked the Starter jackets and acted like Eminem
So is someone going to tell this assclown that Favre wasn't drafted in GB, he was traded there?
quote:Originally posted by ammo:
Please guys, give jaymo a break. I mean I'd act like he does to if my team traded what esentially was Emmitt Smith, Darrin Woodson, Alvin Harper, & Issiac Holt for Jake Reed and Herschel Walker. This allowed the Cowboys to be the dominate team of the early 90's.
Yes I know the Packers did the John Hadl trade too. But it never led to multiple Super Bowl victories that the Walker trade enabled Dallas to do that.
So the trade wasn't as bad for the packlers because the other team didn't have as much success....LOL, that is beautiful!
Hey, the Justin Harrell draft pick wasn't that bad because he never went on to star for anyone else!!!
quote:Originally posted by Pakrz:
So is someone going to tell this assclown that Favre wasn't drafted in GB, he was traded there?
Wow, nothing gets by you!
quote:Originally posted by Tschmack:quote:And Jaymo will probably never pay a tax because just like the other chowderhead he's terrified of leaving the suburbs.
Interesting point
In my 12 years living in the TWC 11 of them were spent living in Minneapolis, and it was always amusing to me how paranoid some of the "locals" were to go to certain areas.
My favorite was living at Riverside Plaza and a couple of my white friends refused to come over because they were afraid of getting jacked. Yet they were the ones that rocked the Starter jackets and acted like Eminem
Jaymo lives in the peaceful scenery of the lakes area, about 250 miles from Mpls. When do you think I'll have to start paying for the stadium?
Start buying pulltabs.
Are you the Toolmaster of Brainerd?
Are you the Toolmaster of Brainerd?
quote:Originally posted by Henry:
Start buying pulltabs.
Why? I might as well save my money because according to you ill be paying for the stadium whether I want to or not!
You really aren't very good at this are you? You have a hard time with multiple concepts don't you?
quote:Originally posted by Tschmack:quote:And Jaymo will probably never pay a tax because just like the other chowderhead he's terrified of leaving the suburbs.
Interesting point
In my 12 years living in the TWC 11 of them were spent living in Minneapolis, and it was always amusing to me how paranoid some of the "locals" were to go to certain areas.
My favorite was living at Riverside Plaza and a couple of my white friends refused to come over because they were afraid of getting jacked. Yet they were the ones that rocked the Starter jackets and acted like Eminem
Ah Riverside! Little Ethiopia. Always good for some comedy.
quote:Originally posted by Jaymo:quote:Originally posted by ammo:
Please guys, give jaymo a break. I mean I'd act like he does to if my team traded what esentially was Emmitt Smith, Darrin Woodson, Alvin Harper, & Issiac Holt for Jake Reed and Herschel Walker. This allowed the Cowboys to be the dominate team of the early 90's.
Yes I know the Packers did the John Hadl trade too. But it never led to multiple Super Bowl victories that the Walker trade enabled Dallas to do that.
So the trade wasn't as bad for the packlers because the other team didn't have as much success....LOL, that is beautiful!
Hey, the Justin Harrell draft pick wasn't that bad because he never went on to star for anyone else!!!
Isn't that what all 32 teams are trying to accomplish is win a Super Bowl?? So the Rams went to one Super Bowl and lost to the Steelers in 79. Makes this trade hurt less then creating the Dallas Super Bowl Dynasty that the Vikings trade created with there trade don't you think? But I think Viking fans are used to mediocrity.
Hey maybe a new matto should the team stay in Minnesota "First in Mediocrty" because that is what the fans believe.
It's no use C P F. Everything goes right over his pointy head anyway.
quote:Originally posted by ammo:
It's no use C P F. Everything goes right over his pointy head anyway.
Yeah I know but it seems like he knows more Pakcer then Viking history. I think he needs to bone up on the Vikings and then maybe he will enjoy his knowledge of the Packers.
quote:Isn't that what all 32 teams are trying to accomplish is win a Super Bowl??
I don't think Minnesota is trying to win a Super Bowl.
We also know that Lovie Smith was only trying to beat the Packers.
Vikings' current goal is just to pad ADP's stats and try to grief us by 'stealing' our 'beloved' free-agents.
quote:Originally posted by Floridarob:
The Vikings are the New York Jets of the NFC North. The Jets keep trying to keep up with the successful and better Patriots while the Patriots just keep strolling along and kicking their asses. The Vikings keep paddling upstream as fast as they can and at the end of the day, get knocked back down and get their asses kicked by the Packers. I wish they could be a rival but they will never get to the level of the Bears. I hate the Bears but respect their history and their fans. The Vikings have NEVER done anything to gain any respect.
We should send an invitation out to Champ and Gonzo the viking fans that use to spew their JayMO style nonsense around here before leaving with their tail between their legs.
at least Joe Willy put some hardware in the trophy case in NY.
quote:Originally posted by California Pack Fan:
Isn't that what all 32 teams are trying to accomplish is win a Super Bowl?? So the Rams went to one Super Bowl and lost to the Steelers in 79. Makes this trade hurt less then creating the Dallas Super Bowl Dynasty that the Vikings trade created with there trade don't you think? But I think Viking fans are used to mediocrity.
Hey maybe a new matto should the team stay in Minnesota "First in Mediocrty" because that is what the fans believe.
Sure it is, and the only way you do that is by improving your team. Saying that a horrendous trade, as were both the Herschel Walker and John Hadl trades, isn't as bad because a team didn't have a certain degree of success is ridiculous. The trade is still detrimental to your team.
And as bad as the Herschel Walker trade was, the John Hadl trade wasn't much better.
quote:Originally posted by bubbleboy789:
an orange peanut?
Not a fan.
quote:Originally posted by California Pack Fan:
Yeah I know but it seems like he knows more Packer then Viking history. I think he needs to bone up on the Vikings and then maybe he will enjoy his knowledge of the Packers.
I think he needs to hang out with dilweed and champ.
quote:Originally posted by bubbleboy789:
an orange peanut?
I loved circus peanuts when I was three!
quote:Originally posted by Jaymo:
And as bad as the Herschel Walker trade was, the John Hadl trade wasn't much better.
Where do you rate the value the Vikes got from Favre? $26mm over two years, right? Smart money right there... now $18mm for Jennings. Do you really believe he's going to make a difference with Ponder or Cassel throwing to him? Peterson has a once in a lifetime season and they fall short of the goal. Enjoy the 7-9 season.
quote:Originally posted by Hungry5:
Learning is hard Silent Killer
Best receiver available. They just lost Percy. Sure, I guess they should have just rolled into next season with Jerome Simpson, Jarius Wright and some rookies.
Sometimes you overpay, but that is yet to be determined. #18M guaranteed. Percy was leading the league in receptions before he got hurt. I think Jennings is versatile enough that, yes, he will make a difference. He also brings experience for the younger guys and a good locker room presence.
You've got it made. You can watch ted go after Steven Jackson, Chris Canty, Ahmad Bradshaw, or any other name that you want to throw out there. You'll opine on here on how it would be a great signing. Then, when it doesn't work out, you can pat each other on the back and repeat the mantra that ted is doing it the right way.......it's a nice safety valve for your psyche.
Favre's value was fine with me. It's not my money. If the cap space is available, I prefer that they spend it. You're not going to take it with you.
quote:Originally posted by Jaymo:
it's a nice safety valve for your psyche.
This works better. Add in the ability to keep fielding a competitive team built around a young core of players and the ability to pay those players, like Aaron Rodgers. Ain't that a ****ing bitch.
So ****tard of the North, how meaningful is the March Championship?
