Packers Defensive Coordinator (Sole Stealer) Joe Barry is FIRED!!

@michiganjoe posted:

Probably true, but you really shouldn't make a change unless the guy you want (pretty clearly JL in this case) will take the job.

Don't you agree the organization as a whole should be on the same page when it comes to hiring?  Sure didn't happen with Rizzi.  If they tell Mayo he can hire and fire who he wants but then tell him the price tag is too high for the guy he brings in what's the point?

That would be fucking crazy correct?

Are the Packers in trouble financially?  Coaches don't go on the cap.  Isn't that what Murphy has been doing this whole time with sledding hills and supporting the win the division mantra of team building?

This is the preparation required to beat the Joe Barry defense, featuring Kevin King and a bunch of other guys looking in random directions each play:

https://twitter.com/barstoolsp...247043332939782?s=20

Really unclear to me what happened with Rizzi. Reporting on it was vague and struck me as containing quite a bit of conjecture and speculation.

Really premature to label Joe Barry a failure after one game, but MLF took a big risk with the move and it's certainly not trending in a positive direction.

@michiganjoe posted:

Really unclear to me what happened with Rizzi. Reporting on it was vague and struck me as containing quite a bit of conjecture and speculation.

It was pretty clear.  He wanted 3 million and Ball said no so he went to New Orleans.

Packers pass on paying for top special teams assistant coach Darren RizziPackers pass on paying for top special teams assistant coach Darren Rizzi

It doesn’t sound as if the fit between LaFleur and Rizzi was a problem. Per Silverstein, the two had a “great visit” in Green Bay last week.

Rizzi is widely respected around the NFL and has consistently produced top special teams.

Then we end up with Kojak from Vanderbilt.  It also tells you Mayo ultimately doesn't have control of hiring his own staff.

@michiganjoe posted:

Really premature to label Joe Barry a failure after one game, but MLF took a big risk with the move and it's certainly not trending in a positive direction.

What about the other 4 years as DC?  Do you think he's going raise the level of play of the mediocre to piss poor talent on this defense?

Fire Jo-berry

Fire Russ T Ballz

Fire Complicated Fella Murphy

Fire McCarthy again, this time harder

Think about this.  Murphy will likely be responsible for hiring his replacement when he retires in 5+ years.

Fuck.

Here's the Packers FO strategy for the next decade.

Hope Jordan Love is the next Brett Favre/Aaron Rodgers.

@Henry posted:

It was pretty clear.

Demovsky

LaFleur interviewed several candidates for the position, including former Dolphins special teams coach Darren Rizzi. A source said the Packers made Rizzi a competitive offer, but that Rizzi declined the job for family reasons and that whatever job Rizzi takes, his family planned to stay in South Florida. He wanted a job that was more easily accessible to the Miami area.

Remains unclear what really happened with Rizzi. Tom's reporting isn't as clear-cut as you're presenting it. Has your dislike for Mark Murphy created a blind spot?

Silverstein

The Packers tried to hire highly respected Miami Dolphins special teams coach Darren Rizzi, but even though they were able to get him to make a visit they didn’t blow him away with their offer. Rizzi would have been working with a coach he didn’t know and moving his family to a cold-weather city.

Rizzi and LaFleur hit it off, the source said, but Rizzi left town without the offer he thought was forthcoming. Although the Packers met his number several days later, the source said, he decided to pull himself out of the running. He is expected to land with another NFL team.

@michiganjoe posted:

Demovsky

LaFleur interviewed several candidates for the position, including former Dolphins special teams coach Darren Rizzi. A source said the Packers made Rizzi a competitive offer, but that Rizzi declined the job for family reasons and that whatever job Rizzi takes, his family planned to stay in South Florida. He wanted a job that was more easily accessible to the Miami area.

Remains unclear what really happened with Rizzi. Tom's reporting isn't as clear-cut as you're presenting it. Has your dislike for Mark Murphy created a blind spot?

I'd never accuse a local Packer reporter like Demovsky of parroting the Packer Company line to endear him or herself to the FRONT OFFICE and make the organization look better ... or would I?

According to a report from Tom Silverstein of the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel, the Packers won’t be hiring top available special teams coach Darren Rizzi, with cost believed to be the deal breaker in negotiations.

https://packerswire.usatoday.c...-darren-rizzi-coach/

"In Jan., 2019, the Green Bay Packers brought coveted special teams coach Darren Rizzi to town for an interview.

Rizzi, who did yeoman’s work during his nine years in Miami, was in high demand and certain to command a hefty salary. After having some of the NFL’s worst special teams, though, during the Mike McCarthy-era, the Packers seemed ready to invest heavily in the position.

Instead, Green Bay decided to pinch pennies. And that was a mistake.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/r...vel/?sh=3cc1bc86724a

The Green Bay Packers have ended talks with former Miami Dolphins special teams coordinator Darren Rizzi. ... Rizzi may be able to command a salary making him one of the highest paid assistants in the league. (from Mike Clemens).

But hey if Rob said the reason Rizzi flew up to the GB for an interview and left without a deal is unclear, that should be good enough for the FRONT OFFICE fans to keep up the charade.

Read the other reporting from Silverstein. It's not clear what happened with Rizzi but I understand the Murphy haters want a narrative.

I'm looking forward to Pat Fitzgerald as the next Packers president.

@Henry posted:

Think about this.  Murphy will likely be responsible for hiring his replacement when he retires in 5+ years.

Fuck.

Here's the Packers FO strategy for the next decade.

Hope Jordan Love is the next Brett Favre/Aaron Rodgers.

Don't forget the key thing - win another Super Bowl with Jordan Love as an MVP level QB before he signs a contract that takes up a huge percentage of the salary cap.

Defensive Linemen Snap Count:

Kenny Clark 41, Dean Lowry 38, Kingsley Keke 31, Tyler Lancaster 29, T.J. Slaton 16

Clark can’t do it all himself- bur I don’t know why we should expect improvement from the same guys as before. Until someone emerges as capable of holding up at the point of attack, they’ll simply continue to be average.

The defense overall wasn’t good, but they also weren’t as bad as 38-3 would indicate. The anemic offensive effort told a lot of the story as to why the defense gave up 38.

But the inability to get off the field on 3rd down? That’s coaching… and it’s a plague of the last decade of Packer defenses. More of the same, and until that changes it’ll hang around Lafleur’s neck like a bag of bricks.

@michiganjoe posted:

Read the other reporting from Silverstein. It's not clear what happened with Rizzi but I understand the Murphy haters want a narrative.

Well Ireland wasn't on our side in WW2, so why should I have love for that Irish SOB. Don't get me started on the kraut we have installed as GM.

@NumberThree posted:

This is the preparation required to beat the Joe Barry defense, featuring Kevin King and a bunch of other guys looking in random directions each play:

https://twitter.com/barstoolsp...247043332939782?s=20

Ouch. I did not absorb the irony of being outsmarted by Jameis. 😀

Instead of getting Zooked on ST we're getting Barried on D.

Kevin King is best (only) in press man. Eric Stokes, another guy built long to play press man, would likely be his replacement. Shemar  Jean-Charles is probably best suited for press man with his physical play and lack of agility and long speed. Isaac Yiadom, another guy who does well in press man but had struggled in zone, was brought in via trade. Chandon Sullivan’s best trait pre-draft was his hand jab in press and lacks long speed to play off.

The Packers aren’t playing press man. WTF was Barry hired again?

@michiganjoe posted:

Read the other reporting from Silverstein. It's not clear what happened with Rizzi but I understand the Murphy haters want a narrative.

Not sure how it's unclear.

I make no bones about it.  Murphy and his vision for the Packers will lead them back to the 80's. 

@Herschel posted:

Kevin King is best (only) in press man. Eric Stokes, another guy built long to play press man, would likely be his replacement. Shemar  Jean-Charles is probably best suited for press man with his physical play and lack of agility and long speed. Isaac Yiadom, another guy who does well in press man but had struggled in zone, was brought in via trade. Chandon Sullivan’s best trait pre-draft was his hand jab in press and lacks long speed to play off.

The Packers aren’t playing press man. WTF was Barry hired again?

Yeah, I thought that was one of the main concepts of the Fangio/Staley defense.

@Grave Digger posted:

Well Ireland wasn't on our side in WW2, so why should I have love for that Irish SOB. Don't get me started on the kraut we have installed as GM.

Okay Tschmack.

@michiganjoe posted:

Silverstein

The Packers tried to hire highly respected Miami Dolphins special teams coach Darren Rizzi, but even though they were able to get him to make a visit they didn’t blow him away with their offer. Rizzi would have been working with a coach he didn’t know and moving his family to a cold-weather city.

Rizzi and LaFleur hit it off, the source said, but Rizzi left town without the offer he thought was forthcoming. Although the Packers met his number several days later, the source said, he decided to pull himself out of the running. He is expected to land with another NFL team.

Well, I'm glad they were able to make him an offer after he made his decision.  That's just negotiating 101.

The guy is on the fence with Green Bay, let's lowball him.

@Henry posted:

Okay Tschmack.

Does he also hate the Irish?

Depends on what he’s drinking.  If it’s Bushmill’s, definitely.

My question is are there any Protestant Irish and do they hate themselves?  And not those wishy washy Scotch Irish.  Pick a lane Angus.

Point of clarification

I like Irish Whiskey

I just hate all of you.  At least for the moment anyway. For some of you.  Well, maybe just a couple of folks.

@michiganjoe posted:

Really premature to label Joe Barry a failure after one game, but MLF took a big risk with the move and it's certainly not trending in a positive direction.

The message from MLF on firing Pettine was clear "we have better players on defense than they played and we need someone to motivate them" ... I think that MLF over estimated the talent on defense.

@FLPACKER posted:

The message from MLF on firing Pettine was clear "we have better players on defense than they played and we need someone to motivate them" ... I think that MLF over estimated the talent on defense.

MLF, Gutekunst, Murphy………

As Herman pointed out; resigning King, P. Smith, & Lowry after last year was a bit of a surprise.

@FLPACKER posted:

The message from MLF on firing Pettine was clear "we have better players on defense than they played and we need someone to motivate them" ... I think that MLF over estimated the talent on defense.

And overestimated the importance of having a "rah, rah" guy as the DC. Leave the rah, rah stuff to the position coaches (see: Kevin Greene with CM3 in the Super Bowl).

If they really wanted Jim Leonhard you make him an offer he can't refuse. Maybe they did, but if they lowballed him that's a big issue. You pay 180 million in player's salary and then get worried about paying an extra 500K or a million to a DC or a special teams coach? Get the guy you want, there's no salary cap on coach's salaries and there's no owner who has to worry about adding a few feet to the length of his yacht.

@Music City posted:

Defensive Linemen Snap Count:

Kenny Clark 41, Dean Lowry 38, Kingsley Keke 31, Tyler Lancaster 29, T.J. Slaton 16

Clark can’t do it all himself- bur I don’t know why we should expect improvement from the same guys as before. Until someone emerges as capable of holding up at the point of attack, they’ll simply continue to be average.

The defense overall wasn’t good, but they also weren’t as bad as 38-3 would indicate. The anemic offensive effort told a lot of the story as to why the defense gave up 38.

But the inability to get off the field on 3rd down? That’s coaching… and it’s a plague of the last decade of Packer defenses. More of the same, and until that changes it’ll hang around Lafleur’s neck like a bag of bricks.

3rd down is a passing down and you get off the field on 3rd down by having elite pass rushers so you can put pressure on the QB by rushing 4 if possible. Pressure up the middle is really a difference maker.

In the NFC title game last year, Rodgers was constantly under pressure. In the first half, Brady could sit there like a statue and he looked great. In the second half, they got some pressure on him and he looked very mortal.

In the game yesterday, they were facing a guy who is prone to making terrible decisions under pressure. Then, after the first drive where the pass rushers lost the edge and Winston scrambled for big yardage, they hardly pressured him all game. Winston wasn't really that impressive yesterday. He knew enough to throw the ball high on some throws and still almost missed some wide-open guys.

Did the Packers blitz at all yesterday? I can't remember them sending anyone extra. Be aggressive, blitz the house at least some of the time, and make a guy who has been an interception machine make some quick decisions.

@Henry posted:

My question is are there any Protestant Irish and do they hate themselves?  And not those wishy washy Scotch Irish.  Pick a lane Angus.

There is literally a war in Ireland over that.

You obviously didn’t understand the question/joke.  

Or I didn’t phrase it right.  

Either way, you’re dumdum.

Maybe if you had written in the form of a 10 paragraph essay?🤷‍♂️

Fuck you Goalline.

@Henry posted:

Fuck you Goalline.

You spelled Pakrz wrong. Or did you mean Fedya?

@FLPACKER posted:

As Herman pointed out; resigning King, P. Smith, & Lowry after last year was a bit of a surprise.

A surprise that they were re-signed/kept on?

Based on their collective poor play, absolutely.

Based upon the Green Bay FRONT OFFICE'S affinity for retaining/re-signing their own, not in the least bit surprising.

There were plenty of fans clamoring for the team to move on from Lowry, Lancaster, and Montravious Adams after the embarrassment in SF in the 2019 NFC Championship game.

They were all brought back and we were all told it was going to get better - remember all the Montravious is having a great camp and about to break out hype during the 2020 training camp?

Well change "Adams" to "Keke" and throw in a little 5th round hope and a prayer named Slaton and you have this season's version of the annual Pack's DLine will be much improved sales job.

The duckies and bunnies crowd somehow convinced themselves that this collection, along with the usual JAGs at ILB, King at one CB and Sullivan slow-footing it behind the slot receiver were all going to come together because they would now be coached by a guy who became an NFL defensive coordinator almost exclusively due to his family connections.

The Packer front office is clueless about how to build a defense and have been for over a decade - no matter how many resources they throw at it.

Sadly, with his Barry hire, MLF looks to be fitting right in with this over-matched group of yes men.

Everyone is so angsty. Even Y.A. Is not liking his own posts.

I’d take duckies and bunnies at DE and ILB.

Maybe bunnies at CB.  Duckies don’t swivel their hips very well.