The most concerning thing about Barry's presser yesterday was that he called Darnell Savage a "great player"
Not to defend Barry, but what’s he supposed to say about Savage? He can’t tell the media that Savage sucks and they’re better off with him on IR.
Season going in the toilet .Might as well go all Jerry Glanville and "Gritz Blitz" Kark's ass. Might not improve on anything but it would be fun to watch at least!
@bdplant posted:Not to defend Barry, but what’s he supposed to say about Savage? He can’t tell the media that Savage sucks and they’re better off with him on IR.
You don't say things that aren't true. It hurts your credibility with your players. You don't trash your players to the media but... Barry was asked about Savage being out....the best response was "we are going to miss him, but have confidence in guys who will replace him".....not calling him a great player, which his teammates have to know isn't true.
@packerboi posted:#Packers defense:
— Zach Kruse (@zachkruse2) October 27, 2023
25th in scoring %
30th in plays faced/drive
30th in rush yards/game
Tied for last in takeaways
Sums it up for me. Giving up lots of scoring drives, long drives and rushing yards and not taking the ball away.
This is not a good defense.
This defense reminds me of the Badgers basketball offense. Slow the game down so that neither team gets the chance to score a lot of points.
The other team runs these long drives that wear out our defense and deny our offense the ball. Points absolutely do not tell the full story.
Press conferences are one of the most pointless, if not worthless, things on this planet, and I hate that teams have to go through the motions.
Nothing of substance is ever revealed, questions from meathead reporters are answered by meathead coaches, and time is wasted... all for nothing.
JMHO, others may vary.
@Packiderm posted:Season going in the toilet .Might as well go all Jerry Glanville and "Gritz Blitz" Kark's ass. Might not improve on anything but it would be fun to watch at least!
You crazy bastard. I’m in.
@Timmy! posted:Press conferences are one of the most pointless, if not worthless, things on this planet, and I hate that teams have to go through the motions.
Nothing of substance is ever revealed, questions from meathead reporters are answered by meathead coaches, and time is wasted... all for nothing.
JMHO, others may vary.
For the most part I agree, however, I am wondering if the GB press is reading our forum. This week they asked more pointed questions concerning;
1) Moving Tom to center and benching Meyers - to which Steno shot down by saying that Myers was "playing the best ball of his career"
2) Getting Yosh on the field - Steno here really avoided saying anything meaningful.
3) Hinting that some of the first half offensive problems have to do with opponents surprising us by totally breaking tendencies, which render the first 15 scripted plays ineffective - again Steno didn't give up much here
4) Pressing MLF on Alexander's back injury - MLF didn't say much. but Alexander was pretty forthcoming about it.
#Packers defense ranks 25th in Expected Points Added (EPA), 20th in points per game allowed, 21st in points allowed per drive, 28th in takeaways and 25th in drive scoring%.
— Zach Kruse (@zachkruse2) October 30, 2023
This team needed the defense to be a strength and it's been a liability.
I’m tired of the “Packers defense is on the field a lot” narrative.
— Zach Kruse (@zachkruse2) October 30, 2023
They’re on the field a lot in part because the offense has struggled but also this whole scheme is built around not giving up big plays and forcing teams to drive the field. And they’ve gleefully done so.
Defense on third down yesterday was abysmal.
The opening drive for the Vikings in the 2nd half was classic Dingle Barry. Just marched the fuck down the field and the Packers had nothing to try and slow them down much less stop them. The Vikings go on a long ass drive, eat a ton of clock , score a TD and that was pretty much the game.
We've seen that time and again including when Love and the offense does manage to grab a lead. This defense cannot hold it.
Rinse. Repeat.
Rinse. Repeat.
Rinse. Repeat.
The D should be called the Green Bay Record Company.
@packerboi posted:#Packers defense ranks 25th in Expected Points Added (EPA), 20th in points per game allowed, 21st in points allowed per drive, 28th in takeaways and 25th in drive scoring%.
— Zach Kruse (@zachkruse2) October 30, 2023
This team needed the defense to be a strength and it's been a liability.I’m tired of the “Packers defense is on the field a lot” narrative.
— Zach Kruse (@zachkruse2) October 30, 2023
They’re on the field a lot in part because the offense has struggled but also this whole scheme is built around not giving up big plays and forcing teams to drive the field. And they’ve gleefully done so.
This is the worst defense in the NFL. Joe Barry is coaching guys he doesn't have. Joe Barry's defense works best with Tampa 2 corners with great tackling skills and good safeties who can tackle and punish teams for getting impatient. He has a bunch of man-cover corners WHO CAN'T TACKLE and shitty safeties who can neither tackle nor play the ball in the air. He and Gute are not on the same page. They all need to go. I was definitely wrong about Gute.
@Goalline posted:They all need to go. I was definitely wrong about EVERYTHING
Thank you for coming clean.
I posted in the game thread, 3rd and long, Packers rush 2 and drop 9 into coverage. Cousins hits a wide open TE who didn't have anyone within 8+ yards of him. I am still scratching my head how this is even possible and really want to see the all-22 of this.
@Goalline posted:This is the worst defense in the NFL. Joe Barry is coaching guys he doesn't have. He and Gute are not on the same page. They all need to go. I was definitely wrong......
Don't be so hard on yourself.
I believe they just need proper coaching using the players they have and play to their strengths on defense.
It's like the Bears trying to teach Justin Fields to be a pocket passer. He isn't a pocket passer and never will be.
Stop trying to fit a square peg in a round hole.
@Boris posted:Don't be so hard on yourself.
I believe they just need proper coaching using the players they have and play to their strengths on defense.
It's like the Bears trying to teach Justin Fields to be a pocket passer. He isn't a pocket passer and never will be.
Stop trying to fit a square peg in a round hole.
That is definitely part of the problem.
Do we have too many square pegs or too many round holes?
@Packiderm posted:Do we have too many square pegs or too many round holes?
Way too many round Holes (coaches) who refuse to change their style to fit what the players do best.
@Boris posted:Way too many round Holes (coaches) who refuse to change their style to fit what the players do best.
They're just shitty coaches. MLF, who then over promoted Steno, then Butkus took over and the O-line has regressed, Steno sucks as an OC, new WR coach who sucks, new secondary coach who sucks, and we all know about Barry. MLF couldn't find a good coach if you gave him one (Gray). He let Gray go. He won't let coaches go who need to go, and he fancies himself an offensive genius which he clearly is not. He also sucks at managing the game and making calls. The team needs to be burned down to the ground starting with Murphy. Most importantly, Murphy.
I read today that Pettine actually was offered a contract extension and turned it down the year before he was "fired". It makes me think that a seasoned coach really doesn't want to work for MLF. Look around, he has no coaches with real outside experience other than the ST coach that is getting paid $2 million and the DL coach. Most of the staff has been promoted from within. Guys like Flores and Schwartz probably wouldn't have even considered working for him.
@PackerRick posted:Guys like Flores and Schwartz probably wouldn't have even considered working for him.
Interesting - I hadn't heard Pettine turned down a contract.
Other than Bisaccia & the DL coach....this is not good at all.
@PackerRick posted:I read today that Pettine actually was offered a contract extension and turned it down the year before he was "fired". It makes me think that a seasoned coach really doesn't want to work for MLF. Look around, he has no coaches with real outside experience other than the ST coach that is getting paid $2 million and the DL coach. Most of the staff has been promoted from within. Guys like Flores and Schwartz probably wouldn't have even considered working for him.
We have no idea at all if Pettine didn't want to work with MLF. Perhaps the guy needed a break from coaching for awhile? When he came to GB it was after a year as a consultant for the Seahawks and before that a very tumultuous couple of years in Cleveland. That right there could force someone to take a break. Also, if you look at his coaching stops he only stays somewhere for a year or so before he moves on.
We also have no idea that guys like Flores and Schwartz didn't want to work with MLF. Maybe that's the case but we have no idea that guys do not want to come to GB.
More Tea Baggers then Tea Leaf readers here
You can have a party either way.
You just gave me an idea for a thread title
@The Heckler posted:We have no idea at all if Pettine didn't want to work with MLF. Perhaps the guy needed a break from coaching for awhile? When he came to GB it was after a year as a consultant for the Seahawks and before that a very tumultuous couple of years in Cleveland. That right there could force someone to take a break. Also, if you look at his coaching stops he only stays somewhere for a year or so before he moves on.
We also have no idea that guys like Flores and Schwartz didn't want to work with MLF. Maybe that's the case but we have no idea that guys do not want to come to GB.
Or whether the extension they offered was far apart from his financial requirements, he's not going to take less money to stay. I said this somewhere else, but based on what we've seen in the past with MLF being limited on what he can SPEND on a coaching staff (Darren Rizzi), it's possible Joe Barry was the best DC that he could afford. Kind of surprising he was able to hire Bisaccia. I would be curious to see what GB spends on their coaching staff compared to the rest of the league. Could have been the same situation with McCarthy of why he consistently ONLY promoted internally and never pursued proven coaches because he definitely has not done that in Dallas.
Pettine also turned down an extension as DC of the Jets in 2012. So maybe he does just like to move around. He never took any time off moving to the Bears in 2021 for a year and now the Vikings asst HC in 2022. I doubt he made more as the Bears special asst. than as the Packers DC so money probably wasn't why he left. Here's the Packer excerpt. <Pettine, 54, never signed a contract extension that was offered to him after last season, meaning he was in the final year of his deal, a source told ESPN earlier in the week, making it a cleaner split. Most coordinators and position coaches always have two years on their deals with the Packers, but Pettine chose to go into the last year of his contract and see how things played out.>
It's also possible MLF doesn't want strong coordinators because he would view them as possible replacements.
So we wind up with the Draytons and Barrys of the league.
Is this a bad time to mention the Joe Bury has forgotten more about defensive football than any of you dipshits will ever know?
@Packiderm posted:Leaf the Ryan Tea Baggers at the train station?
Please leave the thread titles to the professionals.
For the life of me I don't understand why organizations just leave it up to the head coach to fill in his staff. It makes sense to let the head coach be in charge of his initial crew, but they're busy with so much else it ends up being promote from within or call your agent and do a favor and hope for the best when it's time to replenish.
The same way a team scouts for players should be the same way they scouts for position coaches. Our last two head coaches have been pretty bad at back filling when coaching talent gets hired away. Should be a position in the organization that scours the college ranks and other teams for candidates. The most crucial part of draft and develop is to actually develop. Tougher to do that when your just rewarding guys with a promotion because they're already in the building and it's their turn.
There's rewards for diversity coaches that get promoted away to other teams. That needs to be a part of the Packers strategy moving forward. The 49ers use that to improve the talent of the team and give flexibility with draft capital. It's dumb not to make every effort to take advantage of that program. It's meant to give opportunity for fresh ideas instead of retreads like Barry. At the very least present options to the coach with sit down interviews so he isn't just scrolling through his phone like he needs an extra person for a poker game.
