In other news, let's thank Barry for making Preston look bad. No way he gets top notch money at the next contract negotiation. Somewhere, Russ is proud.
@Blair Kiel posted:Most folks here seem as if they feel they could do it!
I have always told people that if enough people die, I would get the job. The good news is not enough people have died.
If enough people died MLF would still hire the wrong man for the job.
At this point I'd take the corpse of Fritz Shurmer over Dingle Barry.
I would take Dan Devine's dog over Dingle Barry.
@Goalline posted:If enough people died MLF would still hire the wrong man for the job.
I think MLF makes hiring decisions for his staff based partially on making sure that whoever he hires is not a serious threat to ever replace him. Bisaccia is an exception, but after they crapped away a potential Super Bowl trip because of Drayton's tenure as ST coach, I think they knew they had to quit hiring the B teamers.
That doesn't float when you consider the context under which Barry was hired. AR was still playing at an MVP level, which means GB was winning, which meant MLF's job was not in any danger. However the next DC he picks could very much be a threat if the D improves but the teams keeps losing.
@MichiganPacker posted:I think MLF makes hiring decisions for his staff based partially on making sure that whoever he hires is not a serious threat to ever replace him. Bisaccia is an exception, but after they crapped away a potential Super Bowl trip because of Drayton's tenure as ST coach, I think they knew they had to quit hiring the B teamers.
I believe this is 100% true. MLF, despite his W/L record is still trying to establish himself as a HC without Rodgers. This team has had some bad losses, to lousy teams they should have beaten, and if they underachieve for the bulk of the season I think he's in big trouble. We all know what NFL stands for and he's not in a situation where he can get on the good side of an owner.
I'm not convinced the Biscaccia signing was even his idea because of his salary.
I just look at the coordinators we have and see the point you are making.
@DH13 posted:That doesn't float when you consider the context under which Barry was hired. AR was still playing at an MVP level, which means GB was winning, which meant MLF's job was not in any danger. However the next DC he picks could very much be a threat if the D improves but the teams keeps losing.
It's not the fact that he hired Barry, it's the fact that he kept him and didn't replace him with a name guy when he isn't winning.
I don't believe anybody on MLF's staff, current or future, will be given the HC job in GB. It just doesn't work that way. Teams do clean sweeps.
I would think Bisaccia is the one exception on this staff
@PackerRick posted:It's not the fact that he hired Barry, it's the fact that he kept him and didn't replace him with a name guy when he isn't winning.
I don't believe anybody on MLF's staff, current or future, will be given the HC job in GB. It just doesn't work that way. Teams do clean sweeps.
My comment was specific to hiring Barry. There is a big difference between hiring a guy and retaining him. Especially after only 2 years if you're not falling dead last in D rankings. This was more of a faulty "I gotta guy/connections" hire than considering whether or not he could threaten MLF's position.
@Boris posted:I would think Bisaccia is the one exception on this staff
He could be, but he's had experience only with STs at the pro level since joining an NFL staff in 2002. At the college level, he has a lot of varied experience with offense and defense as a position coach. Now, would he be the type of HC who would hire good people and delegate playcalling out to others? I know he delegated playcalling to others at Oakland when he was interim coach, but I would see him as a manager HC who sets the tone, concentrates on game management, etc. He was able to win with the Raiders as an interim, and Indy this year gave him two interviews, so you know he is on the verge of doing it.
Do I think he could be a good HC if he oversees things and doesn't call plays? Yes.
@DH13 posted:My comment was specific to hiring Barry. There is a big difference between hiring a guy and retaining him. Especially after only 2 years if you're not falling dead last in D rankings. This was more of a faulty "I gotta guy/connections" hire than considering whether or not he could threaten MLF's position.
I think the conversation is more about MLF's job security now after a losing season and a team that's not showing up. When the guy is winning 13 games I hardly doubt he's concerned about hiring someone that can take his job.
@Fandame posted:He could be, but he's had experience only with STs at the pro level since joining an NFL staff in 2002. At the college level, he has a lot of varied experience with offense and defense as a position coach. Now, would he be the type of HC who would hire good people and delegate playcalling out to others? I know he delegated playcalling to others at Oakland when he was interim coach, but I would see him as a manager HC who sets the tone, concentrates on game management, etc. He was able to win with the Raiders as an interim, and Indy this year gave him two interviews, so you know he is on the verge of doing it.
Do I think he could be a good HC if he oversees things and doesn't call plays? Yes.
A lot of people in Vegas wanted him retained full-time because he took a pretty ugly situation and made something out of it. And I don't think McDaniel has done much to change anybody's mind.
@FLPACKER posted:Another thing ....if that is the coverage you've called, don't you want Enagbare (our most mobile OLBer) in that spot rather than Preston (our least mobile OLBer)?
Enagbare is slower than Preston. Hollins is the only OLB with versatility any more. Fredokunst has been drafting bigger, less agile edge defenders than TT did.
@Boris posted:I would think Bisaccia is the one exception on this staff
@Fandame posted:He could be, but he's had experience only with STs at the pro level since joining an NFL staff in 2002. At the college level, he has a lot of varied experience with offense and defense as a position coach. Now, would he be the type of HC who would hire good people and delegate playcalling out to others? I know he delegated playcalling to others at Oakland when he was interim coach, but I would see him as a manager HC who sets the tone, concentrates on game management, etc. He was able to win with the Raiders as an interim, and Indy this year gave him two interviews, so you know he is on the verge of doing it.
Do I think he could be a good HC if he oversees things and doesn't call plays? Yes.
I think this would've been the perfect year for him to add DC experience to his resume.
When the STs began to break down, he throttled Nixon's returns (much needed) and made other changes that resulted in a reduction of penalties and better coverage/return performance.
Meanwhile, there's been no apparent changes to Barry's approach.
Still can't stop the run, pass defense is still very soft, and game calls are bizarre in certain situations.
I'm not going to say Bisaccia would be the cure, or even that he would be the man for that job, but I will say he would at least try something different.
Not to mention he has a lot of positive attributes to his coaching methods.
Watch Pressers of Barry, MLF, and Bisaccia ....which one comes off as more of a leader?
@PackerRick posted:A lot of people in Vegas wanted him retained full-time because he took a pretty ugly situation and made something out of it. And I don't think McDaniel has done much to change anybody's mind.
He's beaten the Packers. 
Considering the guru status Bisaccia had coming into GB, we should have the best special teams in the league. They went out of their way to get him and paid him handsomely. Yet, it seems his unit suffers from the same issues as offense and defense. They can play well in spots, but hamper themselves with dumb plays and mistakes. Maybe it's a GB thing, idk. But I wouldn't consider Bissacia to be a threat to anyone else on that staff. At least not based on what he's done since he was hired.
Green Bay. Where Special Team coaches go to die.
Go to the 15:00 mark
@PackerRick posted:I think the conversation is more about MLF's job security now after a losing season and a team that's not showing up. When the guy is winning 13 games I hardly doubt he's concerned about hiring someone that can take his job.
That is what I said in my first post.
I keep saying this on Daily. Barry is situationally tone deaf. It's truly incredible. I'm almost impressed. https://t.co/4oK0JXZGbX
— Aaron Nagler (@AaronNagler) October 24, 2023
bUt ThE dEfEnSe HeLd ThEm To UnDeR tWeNtY pOiNtS
That is classic. Sub a FB for TE, leave in the 6th OL and Barry responds with nickel defense. Soooooo bad.
@packerboi posted:
I keep saying this on Daily. Barry is situationally tone deaf. It's truly incredible. I'm almost impressed. https://t.co/4oK0JXZGbX
— Aaron Nagler (@AaronNagler) October 24, 2023
I'm speechless
How is he still employed? When a storied franchise becomes a punchline, you need to roll some heads. Now. Not this summer.
Can anyone imagine the Broncos (and other teams) watching this (and other) game film and laughing their asses off? Every team we play will be looking for a nickel defense in goal-to-go situations.
Meanwhile, watching the same film in Green Bay, how in the holy hell does this not demand an explanation from Barry? Does MLF not ask him WTF is he doing, or does he pat him on the back and tell him it'll be ok?
Anybody can shake off the occasional gaffe and come back strong, but I don't know how Barry can look ANYONE in the eyes after it's happened so much.
And I don't know how MLF can look at anyone on defense in the eyes and implore them to give it their all when they are continually put in those situations.
Dude immediately ran back to his office and crossed out a bunch of defensive calls with a comically large red crayon https://t.co/NpfZXXHGFj
— Dusty (@DustyEvely) October 26, 2023
How in the hell can any coach not know the opposing teams best player is on IR? I wonder if he knows Savage and Stokes are on IR? 
@ammo posted:How in the hell can any coach not know the opposing teams best player is on IR? I wonder if he knows Savage and Stokes are on IR?
To me a good coach is one that not only knows their best player is on IR but knowing who their replacement is and you go after that guy all game long.
MLF is going to have another year due to all the factors this year with the young and inexperienced roster and all of the injuries. If this shit show continues next year with no improvement? The seat could get very warm.
@The Heckler posted:To me a good coach is one that not only knows their best player is on IR but knowing who their replacement is and you go after that guy all game long.
I'm sure Preston will be covering Addison at least a few times
@The Heckler posted:MLF is going to have another year due to all the factors this year with the young and inexperienced roster and all of the injuries. If this shit show continues next year with no improvement? The seat could get very warm.
The only reason MLF could get an extra season is because Murphy has another year before he must retire and he'll kick the can down the road. The team wasn't young and inexperienced last season and missed the playoffs so if this team continues to be unmotivated he'd normally get fired. Youth, inexperience, and injuries can all be used as an excuse but motivation can't.
#Packers defense:
— Zach Kruse (@zachkruse2) October 27, 2023
25th in scoring %
30th in plays faced/drive
30th in rush yards/game
Tied for last in takeaways
Sums it up for me. Giving up lots of scoring drives, long drives and rushing yards and not taking the ball away.
Takeaways is the the one that sticks out to me. Five in six games isn't anywhere near good enough.
@michiganjoe posted:Takeaways is the the one that sticks out to me. Five in six games isn't anywhere near good enough.
If you are never aggressive in your schemes, you aren't going to get turnovers. They usually come from the pass rush, and unless you have a superstar pass rusher, you normally aren't going to force a lot of early decisions without blitzing. That's not Barry's MO.
@MichiganPacker posted:If you are never aggressive in your schemes, you aren't going to get turnovers. They usually come from the pass rush, and unless you have a superstar pass rusher, you normally aren't going to force a lot of early decisions without blitzing. That's not Barry's MO.
Not always but a bit part of the time turnovers are the product of mistakes.
If you do not put pressure on the offense by bringing an aggressive scheme more than likely they will not turn the ball over because they grind it out and don't feel pressed. When you play a Charmin soft scheme teams will not be pressured in to making mistakes.
@michiganjoe posted:Takeaways is the the one that sticks out to me. Five in six games isn't anywhere near good enough.
I mentioned this a few days ago. If you can't get off the field with a few takeaways teams are just going to keep piling up the yards and points on this defense. That's how defenses build impressive stats, by watching from the sideline.