@Blair Kiel posted:Call someone a pussy x4 and that goes into your permanent file.
I mean, it could be worse. It could be the Matt Eberflus coaching tree...
I mean, Preston Smith covering Davante Adams? What more to say about that innovative Joe Barry defense?
New #1 CB
My scouting report on 91: has a mean jam at LOS. Tight hips, lacks makeup speed.
Canât blame this game on Joe Barry. Defense did a nice job. O took a crap.
@PackLandVA posted:Canât blame this game on Joe Barry. Defense did a nice job. O took a crap.
Barry is responsible for scheme that results in long drives that wear his own guys out. The Raiders took possession with more than four minutes left. They worked into fg range and the only reason GB had a chance was due to a gift fg attempt. Otherwise, LV was running out the clock. I believe much of the success on defense is in spite of Barry. They perform well in spots, not consistently, and the idea that long drives have come to be expected is an indictment on Barry and his insistence on doing the same thing over and over. As mentioned, putting a db 10 yards off on a play from your own 10 is simply absurd and unacceptable. Wtf is that defender supposed to be guarding against at his own goal line? A throw over the top? Nothing else matters if your DC can't even properly position his schemes, and it happens every single week. They're a very average defense and more often they are a poor defense. An accomplished DC would be able to cover the weaknesses and max out the talent they have. We've seen this script far too many times.
@artis I suggest you look at the drive logs. Barry has been a problem. But this isnât the game to complain. They gave up less than 300 yards.
When exactly did the defense get worn down??? The Raiders had two possessions in the third quarter for a total of 7 plays. LAV had their best drive to start the 4th, but then the Packer D forced a 3 & out (-3 yards) after a GB INT.
The D was not the problem tonight. They should win a lot of games if the D plays similar.
Seventeen points should be enough if your offense is functioning anywhere near a reasonable level.
Not even close last night.
The defense did indeed play well enough to make this game winnable, and cannot solely be blamed for the loss.
But I have a feeling that if they were functioning properly, the Raiders should've been held to 3-6 points, maybe 10 at the most.
The two drives that killed them were the 14-play, 82 yard (8:28) minute one in the 2nd quarter that resulted in a TD, and the 10-play, 75 yards (5:20) in the 4th for their 2nd TD.
In any case, even Ray Charles can see that Barry is a clueless tool, and he's not only blind, he's dead!
Beyond bizarre calls that have LBs covering the opponent's WRs week after week.
If that's not a problem, I don't know what one is!
Joe Barry can't fuck off soon enough, and if MLF wants to ride the status quo, he can fuck off, too.
@michiganjoe posted:Seventeen points should be enough if your offense is functioning anywhere near a reasonable level.
Not even close last night.
That's what we'll get with so many young'ins at skill positions. Bad routes, bad decisions.
They really miss Jones, and they could use a vet presence in the WR/TE rooms. Since that ain't happenin', they learn and grow... or they won't.
The entire NFL fanbase: âWe want to see Jaire on Davante!â
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Joe Barry: âyouâll get Preston Smith and like itâ pic.twitter.com/UtlWdu1otI
Couldn't have been fun for Preston either knowing you're going to look silly trying to cover a WR who's one of the best in the game.
It wouldn't have been fun if Preston had to cover Taco Wallace at this point.
@PackLandVA posted:@artis I suggest you look at the drive logs. Barry has been a problem. But this isnât the game to complain. They gave up less than 300 yards.
When exactly did the defense get worn down??? The Raiders had two possessions in the third quarter for a total of 7 plays. LAV had their best drive to start the 4th, but then the Packer D forced a 3 & out (-3 yards) after a GB INT.
The D was not the problem tonight. They should win a lot of games if the D plays similar.
LV had two possessions for seven plays in the third qtr...and still won time of possession by five full minutes overall. The numbers game after the fact is a way to convince ourselves that a unit didn't perform as badly as they may have looked. Barry has had plenty of games in which the numbers fall into an average category and appear acceptable.
My main point isn't about the guys on defense. It's about their coordinator putting them in impossible spots throughout the game. It happens in every game. Those guys busted their ass last night, I can't deny that. The problem is the leadership. And that goes for all three units. This team has very rarely played complementary football under MLF. Barry's defense has potential playmakers on each unit of his defense, and more often than not his ridiculous philosophy handcuffs their ability to do what they do well.
MLF has his own issues of ineptitude with his offense. Getting Jones back and figuring out the o-line could help steady his young qb. No one could rightly argue that the offense helps out the defense, and that pattern goes back to the last two or three years with Rodgers.
My gripe with Barry is the problems we saw on defense last night are the same problems we see nearly every week, and Barry coaches so damn scared that the problems creep in like clockwork in every game. Heading into week 1 we heard him talk about being more aggressive. They got great pressure on Fields, even if he did escape a handful of times. Since that game, it's back to the same old bullshit. Same soft formations, the ones that pave the way for drives of 10+ plays multiple times in every contest. It's year 3, and there's never been more talent than they have right now on defense. And yet there's nothing to point to that this unit will get any better in the next 12 games. It's absurd at this point how predictable they are.
The #Packers group sack percentage is WILD ðĪ https://t.co/SlywEIzFPA
â Peter Bukowski (@Peter_Bukowski) October 13, 2023
.400 is the only percentage Iâm concerned with at the moment.
Look, Josh McDaniels has been going empty out of heavy personnel for like 15 years. There's absolutely no way you should be stuck in a coverage you don't like because you don't have a check for THAT of all things.
â Peter Bukowski (@Peter_Bukowski) October 17, 2023
It's a dereliction of duty. Defense was fine overall but damn.
Look, Josh McDaniels has been going empty out of heavy personnel for like 15 years. There's absolutely no way you should be stuck in a coverage you don't like because you don't have a check for THAT of all things.
â Peter Bukowski (@Peter_Bukowski) October 17, 2023
It's a dereliction of duty. Defense was fine overall but damn.
That's the Joe Barry experience though in Green Bay so far.
â Peter Bukowski (@Peter_Bukowski) October 17, 2023
There are 3 or 4 things every game that make you go WHAT THE FUCK ARE THEY DOING?!
And then at the end of the game, they've given up like 17 points and 301 yards and you're going, wait huh?
Just like you don't realize you're dieing from a 1000 paper cuts until you're dead.
I watched his presser yesterday and thought the same thing. First time I have seen Barry get a little pissy. When asked the question he first said something to the effect "why don't you ask about the other plays where we held Davante (of course he called him Tae) to 3 catches" He did take responsibility and said he put Preston in a no win situation. The problem was that I believe we were in a 5 man front so if Preston rushes, we don't have enough guys on that side to cover. Prston has to play inside and not let the receiver inside him, but obviously couldn't do that vs. Adams. Same problem happened with the TD pass where Ford was at the goal line. Van Ness was supposed to drop to take away the 5-7 yard throw but got there too late. Really brings up the old question of "are you asking players to do things they are not capable of doing".
He can get "pissy" all he wants. Everyone knows and can see he is NOT putting the players in the best position to succeed. That's COACHING and it's 100% on HIM.
Lol that tough GBP media. MLF and Barry should be thankful they work in GB. Itâs all duckies and bunnies from the media (mostly).
@FLPACKER posted:I watched his presser yesterday and thought the same thing. First time I have seen Barry get a little pissy. When asked the question he first said something to the effect "why don't you ask about the other plays where we held Davante (of course he called him Tae) to 3 catches" He did take responsibility and said he put Preston in a no win situation. The problem was that I believe we were in a 5 man front so if Preston rushes, we don't have enough guys on that side to cover. Prston has to play inside and not let the receiver inside him, but obviously couldn't do that vs. Adams. Same problem happened with the TD pass where Ford was at the goal line. Van Ness was supposed to drop to take away the 5-7 yard throw but got there too late. Really brings up the old question of "are you asking players to do things they are not capable of doing".
THIS right here pretty much sums up Barry to me. Now I don't claim to be a defensive genius by any stretch but how do NOT have a DB following Adams all over the field? And secondly how can you make a statement like not letting the receiver inside him? How do you put a 270 lb linebacker on arguably one of the best receivers in the NFL for the last 8 or so years and expect good results? Did he not see Adams in practice and what he did when he was in GB and what he is capable of?
Barry is doing two things bad/soft schemes designed to not lose and putting players in positions to fail. It's 100% on him.
Barry's explanation of "we didn't expect to see that formation" as an excuse as to why they didn't have a "check" out of it also runs hallow. When you install that coverage in training camp you should walk through contingencies for every formation possible.
If you donât have a check, burn a timeout
Another thing ....if that is the coverage you've called, don't you want Enagbare (our most mobile OLBer) in that spot rather than Preston (our least mobile OLBer)?
Barry's bullshit "we didn't expect that" excuse is a failure that ranks with Capers' bullshit "he didn't expect" the 49ers to run the read-option blunder.
I think opposing offenses would salivate at the thought of matching a WR on a LB, and defenses don't regularly line up in formations that would allow that to happen.
To me, that's a level of incompetence that shouldn't exist in professional football.
The dude is in over his head and if a change isn't made, it will fall back on the head coach.....I think.
We really don't know if MLF has the ability to hire and fire his asst. coaches. It could easily be Gutey or even Murphy....which is complete horseshit
@H5 posted:
Article from May.
https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/...nsistency-on-defense
Barry said, via Jason Wilde of Madison.com. âWeâve got to show up and play our best version of football, our best version of defense. We canât be up one week and down the next. Weâve got to find that consistency and show up every single week. The last five or six weeks of the season, we found that. We donât have time to waste 10 weeks. Weâre in May. Thatâs what OTAs are for. Thatâs what the offseason is for. Thatâs what training camp is for. But weâve got to be much more consistent than we were a year ago, week in and week out.â
Article from just before week 1 game.
https://madison.com/sports/pro...itter_WiStateJournal
âIf you stay the same, you get passed by. The 2023 Green Bay Packers (defense) is going to be completely different than the 2022 Green Bay Packers. Thereâs no doubt.â - Joe Barry
Hey Joe, we're getting close to10 weeks. You playin' possum?
@Boris posted:The dude is in over his head and if a change isn't made, it will fall back on the head coach.....I think.
We really don't know if MLF has the ability to hire and fire his asst. coaches. It could easily be Gutey or even Murphy....which is complete horseshit
Not only that, a new DC has to want to work for MLF. If MLF survives this season, and Barry doesn't, he'll surely be on the hot seat next year. What accomplished DC will want that position if it might be for one year? Flores and Schwartz were hired this year and either would have been solid hires for the Pack. Not making a move on Barry after last season could still cost MLF his job this year the way this team is heading.
@FLPACKER posted:I watched his presser yesterday and thought the same thing. First time I have seen Barry get a little pissy. When asked the question he first said something to the effect "why don't you ask about the other plays where we held Davante (of course he called him Tae) to 3 catches" He did take responsibility and said he put Preston in a no win situation. The problem was that I believe we were in a 5 man front so if Preston rushes, we don't have enough guys on that side to cover. Prston has to play inside and not let the receiver inside him, but obviously couldn't do that vs. Adams. Same problem happened with the TD pass where Ford was at the goal line. Van Ness was supposed to drop to take away the 5-7 yard throw but got there too late. Really brings up the old question of "are you asking players to do things they are not capable of doing".
Joe Barry: We only play to the playersâ strengths.
Also Joe Barry: Preston, man up on Tae Adams. LVN, drop into the zones and dominate.
@Boris posted:We really don't know if MLF has the ability to hire and fire his asst. coaches. It could easily be Gutey or even Murphy....which is complete horseshit
He doesnât!ðĄ
@PackerRick posted:Not only that, a new DC has to want to work for MLF. If MLF survives this season, and Barry doesn't, he'll surely be on the hot seat next year. What accomplished DC will want that position if it might be for one year? Flores and Schwartz were hired this year and either would have been solid hires for the Pack. Not making a move on Barry after last season could still cost MLF his job this year the way this team is heading.
With each successive week they lay an egg, MLF's fate inches closer to certainty rather than hypothetical. The case can be made that all three units came into the opener and showed signs of promise. And in a mere four or five weeks, the same old, same old has crept back in. You might expect that from one or two units, but all three have cost this team significantly in the past two games in particular. If they finally make the call to cut their losses with Barry after 2023, I don't see MLF lasting more than a year beyond that. I will be happy to be proven wrong on that when the time comes.
@Fedya posted:Apparently Joe Barry is a devotee of Total Football.
Heâs got at least 2 Johan Cruffs. Time to use them.
@PackerRick posted:Not only that, a new DC has to want to work for MLF. If MLF survives this season, and Barry doesn't, he'll surely be on the hot seat next year. What accomplished DC will want that position if it might be for one year? Flores and Schwartz were hired this year and either would have been solid hires for the Pack. Not making a move on Barry after last season could still cost MLF his job this year the way this team is heading.
IMHO a good DC may come to GB in that scenario. I can see how a DC will look at that defensive roster and realize he has talent to work with and perhaps would come to GB thinking that and if he turns that defense in to something he could be inline for the HC if MLF really got canned.
Many gloom and doomers are thinking the the Packers are like the 90s Bengals but in reality this is a good job if you can get it.
Most folks here seem as if they feel they could do it!
@Blair Kiel posted:Most folks here seem as if they feel they could do it!
I could it's easy:
,"WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON OUT THERE?"
@Blair Kiel posted:Most folks here seem as if they feel they could do it!
Way easier to criticize someone for doing a shitty job than to do it yourself. I mean, Iâve been told some people on X4 like to criticize the president.ð
