And we got people saying we need to use our first pick on defense. If that happens Gutekunst should be fired
It's not a lack of D talent, it's a lack of preparation. It's the DC getting out-schemed weekly. It's guys persistently being in the wrong position and giving up 3rd and long situations often. The Packers D did pretty well the first two downs...3rd and long not so much vs Titans.
BPA in round 1...don't care what side of the ball he lines up on. This team has way too many needs to be mad at any position.
Lining up 3 yards past the first down marker is a problem
Number of RD1 picks don't matter if they're bad picks. How good are our RD1 players? We've seen consistent high level play from some of them but not others. Is that lack of talent or coaching? Yes.
@Chongo posted:It's not a lack of D talent, it's a lack of preparation. It's the DC getting out-schemed weekly. It's guys persistently being in the wrong position and giving up 3rd and long situations often. The Packers D did pretty well the first two downs...3rd and long not so much vs Titans.
BPA in round 1...don't care what side of the ball he lines up on. This team has way too many needs to be mad at any position.
Pathetic soft zone pass D on third down was a joke.
GB has the players they need to be much more successful, but they are being put into the wrong situations. Barry does not know how to use the guys he has. He needs to make Rasul into a Woodson-type, use Ford more as FS, quit playing zone when your guys are better suited for a more aggressive scheme, get Walker involved more often in the pass rush, and play downhill. This zone crap has got to go... and so does Barry.
Given the number of high draft choices (RAS blue chippers) on this defense, I think they need to scheme to generate turnovers with extreme aggressiveness, not to slow the other teams progress in hopes of a mistake. Giving up a few big plays is not worse than death by a thousand cuts and the offense' difficulties means they need more possessions.
Whoever the Packers bring in to replace Barry, they need to let bring as many of his own staff as he likes...this forcing the DC to keep guys for continuity is bullshit.
Change the whole staff, change the culture. The only continuity this D has is a continuity of underachieving.
Agree. The Big Tuna analogy if I'm cooking, at least let me get the ingredients.
In this case, if I'm coaching, at least let me pick who I'm coaching with.
@Chongo posted:Whoever the Packers bring in to replace Barry, they need to let bring as many of his own staff as he likes...this forcing the DC to keep guys for continuity is bullshit.
Did I miss something and they already fired Barry?
Note that my avatar is from when they fired Capers. Or was it Zook? There's been so many bad assistants coming through that it's tough to remember which one got shitcanned when.
Who, other than Kiel, was wondering where Fedya's profile pic came from?
Anyone have thoughts on who should replace Barry?
Hopefully nobody currently on the staff
Does Jim Leonhard have second thoughts?
@DocBenni posted:Anyone have thoughts on who should replace Barry?
Zim. They would play downhill.
Well, at least they would have one eye on what the opposing offense is doing.
@GBFanForLife posted:Does Jim Leonhard have second thoughts?
The better question: Does MLF have second thoughts?
@Chongo posted:Fangio or SteveLuke
I might run as a third party ! My family is so excited! 
@Chongo posted:Fangio or SteveLuke
Wouldn’t his defense be way too predictable?
Right yo-yo, wrong string, gentlemen.
SteveLuke can't be a Coach or Coordinator dealing with the riff-raff of what THE FRONT OFFICE ™ would send him.
He has to be GM level or above. There's no other way.
@michiganjoe posted:The better question: Does MLF have second thoughts?
Let's also remember Joe Barry wasn't the 1st guy he asked to the Prom. That would be Jimbo in Madison.
So who would be a good replacement? As I recall - didn’t they have trouble filling the role? There wasn’t a path of coaches breaking the door down… the guy from Denver interviewed and sconnies coach. No fangio no names…I hear good things about fillies d line coach, but if we shit can joe- everyone on the d coaching staff should get purged too and the new guy can bring his own hires In.
https://www.cbssports.com/coll...leonhard-per-report/
Looks like Leonhard might be available.
I think the Leonhard ship has sailed...can you really take a risk on a guy that has never coordinated an NFL defense? He may be great. He may not. At this point you gotta go get a proven dude like Fangio or Zim Zam. Much as I hate old One-Eye, his defenses were always outstanding.
A big question would be what would JL bring with him for a staff?
@Chongo posted:I think the Leonhard ship has sailed...can you really take a risk on a guy that has never coordinated an NFL defense? He may be great. He may not. At this point you gotta go get a proven dude like Fangio or Zim Zam. Much as I hate old One-Eye, his defenses were always outstanding.
Not saying Jim would be a great NFL defensive coordinator. That's just like having a position where people are qualified, but saying you can only have the job if you have previous experience. It could be cracked but you also could be limiting yourself and excluding the best people for the job with your expectation
@R MaN posted:Not saying Jim would be a great NFL defensive coordinator. That's just like having a position where people are qualified, but saying you can only have the job if you have previous experience. It could be cracked but you also could be limiting yourself and excluding the best people for the job with your expectation
Two years ago I was all-in on the "risk" of JL being our DC. Two years later, Barry has been a failed attempt, so now we don't have the runway for our next DC not to work. Hiring a proven DC reduces the risk. For all I know JL may be the next Buddy Ryan of NFL DC...but the Packers can't take the risk IMO.
I believe they will have a hard time filling the dc job knowing where the team is right now. There is very little security in Green Bay right now. Nobody wants to come here and look like a chump. We need a good plan after rodgers and then maybe the vision can lure a good dc.
Any current defensive assistant that is worth a shit on any NFL team would jump at the chance to be a DC. If there is an opening the Packers will have no problem filling it.
All the coaches are in purgatory right now. I don't know how the team can expect to hire a new DC and let him bring his staff onboard while they know a new GM may also be coming in a couple of years.
The only way that happens, IMHO, is if it is a new or younger guy with little to no experience that wants that position to get his feet wet. And that may not be the best action to take.
The challenge with LaFluer is he has to get this one right, or it's likely his last one he chooses as he'll be fired along with that new DC if he fucks this one up.
Can't go too safe (that's what he did with Barry) and can't go with a too risky either. He has to find a coordinator that can work with an abundance of talent (7 first round picks and counting) and figure out how to put those players in the best position to win.
Something Barry has failed mightily at.