If Jolly can get back to where he was in his last season by September, I'd feel much better about the d-line. They just don't have a guy like Jolly on the team right now that can hold the point of attack. Only question is whether he'll be ready to play in 7 months.
Off the field, I really hope Jolly has turned his life around. He never seemed like a bad guy, he just wasn't smart with what he did with his time away from football or who he hung out with.
quote:Originally posted by Grave Digger:
Seeing as how supportive the Packers have been through his whole ordeal, I can't imagine they don't give him a chance.
I can.
There is no reason to believe that he, as a DE type can be ready to contribute anytime soon. Do you really think he is even close to football shape? I don't see a strong contributor here.
quote:Originally posted by CUPackFan:
If Jolly can get back to where he was in his last season by September, I'd feel much better about the d-line. They just don't have a guy like Jolly on the team right now that can hold the point of attack. Only question is whether he'll be ready to play in 7 months.
Off the field, I really hope Jolly has turned his life around. He never seemed like a bad guy, he just wasn't smart with what he did with his time away from football or who he hung out with.
I know you couched this with "if", but I think it's highly unlikely Jolly will contribute anything, let alone the production he provided back in 2009. He's missed three full seasons and off-seasons of football. Outside of Michael Vick, I can't think of an example of someone coming back and making an impact after that kind of inactivity. And even Vick's first year back in Philly was mainly on the sidelines.
I agree that a 2009 Jolly would help out tremendously. But that's just not going to happen. If the Packers are going to improve on the d-line this season, it will be because guys like Neal and Daniels step-up or they draft someone or they find some sort of value FA like Jenkins or Francois.
Have the Packers officially released him or is he still the property of the Packers on some type of non football injury list?
quote:Originally posted by ammo:
Have the Packers officially released him or is he still the property of the Packers on some type of non football injury list?
I believe he's still under contract with Green Bay...but the contract is for $2.5 million next year. Clearly Green Bay will cut him or just renegotiate that down significantly.
The Packers still own his rights. If TT decides to give it a try Jolly better be on a plane to GB and busting his ass in the gym nonstop.
They have nothing to lose. Give the guy a shot.
We need more pressure on the QB.
We need more pressure on the QB.
quote:Originally posted by Henry:
The Packers still own his rights. If TT decides to give it a try Jolly better be on a plane to GB and busting his ass in the gym nonstop.
Totally agree.
He's been out of prison for a little over 9 months now. I guess the NFL wanted to see if he could stay out of trouble for a while before giving him what is certainly going to be his last shot (both with the legal system and the NFL). I wouldn't say it's impossible that he is in good shape after 9 months, but I kinda doubt he is.
Packers have until March 12 to fish or cut bait. I imagine he'll be in GB very shortly for some discussions.
In other news, a "local merchant" in the Houston area has set up a "Sizzurp Stand" and sales have skyrocketed.
Some of the pictures of him posted on here during his hearings or sentencing didn't show a guy bloating up and getting flabby. Hopefully, he didn't get fat on hoosegow chow.
I wouldn't guess he's a speciman of physical fitness by any means, but if he has any desire, he's got some skill.
If he were to actually make it to training camp, it would come out in the wash. If he's Hargrove II, he'll be bounced. At best, he can provide depth in the rotation. In the middle is a game-day inactive...just sayin'.
I wouldn't guess he's a speciman of physical fitness by any means, but if he has any desire, he's got some skill.
If he were to actually make it to training camp, it would come out in the wash. If he's Hargrove II, he'll be bounced. At best, he can provide depth in the rotation. In the middle is a game-day inactive...just sayin'.
That's the thing about Jolly. He had nothing but good press when it came to being a teammate and involved player. I remember a lot of guys stating he brought energy to the locker room, which is odd considering the codeine effects.
You can look at it a couple of different ways. Jolly was never hurt and has that much less football wear and tear. Still, he's been out of the game itself which obviously is an issue and you can't stop father time. He's 30 years old without a big injury history and he knows the system. It's worth the chance considering the question marks on the dline.
You can look at it a couple of different ways. Jolly was never hurt and has that much less football wear and tear. Still, he's been out of the game itself which obviously is an issue and you can't stop father time. He's 30 years old without a big injury history and he knows the system. It's worth the chance considering the question marks on the dline.
I say move on and let him go elsewhere. No football for three years and a felony record to boot.
quote:At this rate Nick Collins will be cleared to return by the end of March.
I can't get up from my desk
After three years out of the game I'm skeptical, but there's no harm in kicking the tires and seeing what's there.
There was a buzz about an empty tomb a couple years ago and pundits still write about it. When I see Jolly in a uniform, fully sweated, knocking legit OL around (not ours) I'll believe.
The biggest question for me as far as his play in 2009 goes, was it a product of being hooked on painkillers? He played with such intensity and fearlessness, did that confidence come from the fact that he was on painkillers or at least knew they weren't far away? I hope he's the same player and I do think the Packers should give him a chance though.
Give him a shot if a reduced wage can be worked out. Something heavy on incentives.
I know he's been out of football for 3 years, but he has 8 months to get into football shape. Now I don't know what NFL football shape constitutes (and no one else on this board does either), but would it be that shocking if he was able to work his a$$ off the next 8 months and be able to contribute 20-25 snaps a game? Of course this is predicated on Jolly being in decent shape right now (which as mentioned already, he doesn't look like a slob), being off the sauce, and ready to work as hard as he ever has.
TT brought Koren Robinson back to the NFL after his felony, so doubt TT writes Jolly off right away because of legal troubles. TT will due his due diligence and determine if Jolly has turned his life around and is ready to contribute to the team. The comments I've heard from Packers players seem to support Jolly, so locker room doesn't seem to be an issue.
TT brought Koren Robinson back to the NFL after his felony, so doubt TT writes Jolly off right away because of legal troubles. TT will due his due diligence and determine if Jolly has turned his life around and is ready to contribute to the team. The comments I've heard from Packers players seem to support Jolly, so locker room doesn't seem to be an issue.
Good breakdown of the sitch'
In sum, he signed a one-year tender worth $2+ mil before his suspension, so the Pack technically hold his rights at that price. That said, it will count against the cap on the first day of the league year in March, so he'd be released and re-signed at vet minimum if the team is at all interested.
In a surprise move, GB is not commenting.
In sum, he signed a one-year tender worth $2+ mil before his suspension, so the Pack technically hold his rights at that price. That said, it will count against the cap on the first day of the league year in March, so he'd be released and re-signed at vet minimum if the team is at all interested.
In a surprise move, GB is not commenting.
quote:Originally posted by Green Crustacean:
There is no reason to believe that he, as a DE type can be ready to contribute anytime soon. Do you really think he is even close to football shape? I don't see a strong contributor here.
7 months is more than enough time to get in football shape. He'd have the opportunity to work in the off season program, get in the gym and take on a full training camp. The question is whether or not he still has talent to play at this level. I see no reason why GB shouldn't bring him back in for a minimum deal and see what he has to offer.
Did not get to the QB much...but did a lot of JJSwatting down passes
quote:Originally posted by IL_Pack_Fan:
Good breakdown of the sitch'
In a surprise move, GB is not commenting.
Not a surprise. Not official until Monday.
quote:Originally posted by Green Crustacean:
There is no reason to believe that he, as a DE type can be ready to contribute anytime soon.
BS
I train people for a living. There's plenty of time to get his body ready.
Whether his head and heart will be in it is another discussion but physically ready? Totally possible.
It's difficult to toss around BS on here without getting called on it. I love me some X4.
Availability and accountability.
Remember that?
When a team drafts you and pays you and then you make yourself unavailable to your team FOR THREE YEARS because of off field decisions you've made.....I don't even bother pretending I'm going to allow somebody like that back on my team. The NFL lifespan is so short you have to demand more professionalism from members of your organization.
IMO JMO
Remember that?
When a team drafts you and pays you and then you make yourself unavailable to your team FOR THREE YEARS because of off field decisions you've made.....I don't even bother pretending I'm going to allow somebody like that back on my team. The NFL lifespan is so short you have to demand more professionalism from members of your organization.
IMO JMO
I don't disagree FS, but if the guy has talent and something to offer to a football team, shouldn't GB be the team that gets first crack at his services? Especially when you consider GB needs help at the very position he plays?
I agree it is tempting.
It all depends on if your principals and the team edicts you preach really mean anything.
It all depends on if your principals and the team edicts you preach really mean anything.
Draft and develop....they drafted him....develop him
quote:Originally posted by FreeSafety:
I agree it is tempting.
It all depends on if your principals and the team edicts you preach really mean anything.
This is the NFL. Win and make money. If Jolly was a punk ass like Hargrove I don't even think they would consider it for a second. That isn't some moral high ground, it's an issue of team psychology, which in turn is about winning games and making money.
I got the overwhelming sense not only from the players, but also McCarthy that Jolly was pretty well liked. I don't remember the exact quotes, but it seemed like he and the players supported Jolly through it all. I imagine they will work him out, see where he's at, and be up front and honest with him about what they see. If they think he has a future then obviously they will sign him, but if he's too far gone then they will let him know and let him go elsewhere.
quote:Originally posted by MN SnowBong:quote:Originally posted by Green Crustacean:
There is no reason to believe that he, as a DE type can be ready to contribute anytime soon.
BS
I train people for a living. There's plenty of time to get his body ready.
Whether his head and heart will be in it is another discussion but physically ready? Totally possible.
Depends on the person I suppose.
But I would concur with MSB here...IF Jolly is truly reformed and serious about being an NFL player again, he will be physically ready to participate in the OTA's, mini-camps or whatever leading up training camp.
Did you have to cool your tits after getting that overwhelming sense?
quote:Originally posted by Grave Digger:
I got the overwhelming sense not only from the players, but also McCarthy that Jolly was pretty well liked. I don't remember the exact quotes, but it seemed like he and the players supported Jolly through it all.
I remember a lot of that, too. Rodgers was one. He specifically criticized the league substance abuse policies, saying that they ought to allow someone in Jolly's situation to work out with the team so that his teammates could support him and help him stay straight. That said a lot to me about how the team regarded Jolly.
Jolly needs support and the opportunity to get his life back on track and anything the Packers can do to help in that regard they should.
Call me an old softy...
He has to know this is the "last shot"..
I guess trust he's keepng his Demons at bay..
But if we could work it out for min salary, why not give him a shot?
Nice Worthy Insurance...
Time to replace Purple Drank with Green Kool-Aid
He has to know this is the "last shot"..
I guess trust he's keepng his Demons at bay..
But if we could work it out for min salary, why not give him a shot?
Nice Worthy Insurance...
Time to replace Purple Drank with Green Kool-Aid
Hopefully he can do the same to opposing Olines.
