@Boris posted:I'll tell ya this much....his act grows old after 3-4 years in the pros. That's why he's perfect in college.
I wanted Billy B, but the Patriots fucked that all up
They both are from the same school of thought. And Harbaugh can bring his. “Advance” scout
Here’s a question - if you are the Packers would you hire Harbaugh?
2 answers, NO and HELL NO!!!!!!!!!!!!
@Tschmack posted:Here’s a question - if you are the Packers would you hire Harbaugh?
As @Boris (and others when this topic comes up) pointed out, Harbaugh comes in like a comet and flames the fuck out after about 2-3 years. So the 1st year or 2, things look good. His energy is contagious and then his act grows tired and players stop buying in.
And with the tampering going on at Michigan, I just doubt the Packers want to be affiliated with that.
@packerboi posted:A long tweet thread to read but Benkert is basically absolving Love over most of the issues on offense. It's largely WR's having no idea WTF they are doing, running the same route and bunched together, OL blocking is hot garbage.
Just watched the All 22 film. My God.
— Kurt Benkert (@KurtBenkert) October 24, 2023
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2 guys running the same route, one stops (if he just runs it’s a first down) but in stead the Packers punt. This was after 5 or so 3rd and longs from… pic.twitter.com/XXN0VKOdQV
The first two posts in this thread are interesting. The first one shows the young receivers aren't running the plays as called. The second talks about how Rodgers/Adams could change a route at the line based on D looks but the current players only can run the play as called.
The obvious connection is that you can't get to changing routes at the line when you can't even run the play properly as designed.
Youth and coaching are really limiting what we are able to do on offense.
@Boris posted:I'll tell ya this much....his act grows old after 3-4 years in the pros. That's why he's perfect in college.
I wanted Billy B, but the Patriots fucked that all up
This guy has a shelf life of 3-4 years, college or NFL. I expect him to do a Pete Carroll at the end of the season if he can outrun the NCAA posse for that long.
I can't stand Harbaugh. But I would hire him in a second. This team needs someone to light a fire under their ass. It's been needed for years. Same thing with Schwartz. Everybody hates the guy but look at the job he's doing with Cleveland's defense. Who cares if they are dinks.Most teams in the Championship hunt only last 3-4 years anyway. There are exceptions like the Chefs. But look at the Bills. Their window is just about ready to get closed unless they can get that offense consistent. I'll take a coach I can't stand over a team that looks like they never played football before.
Give me 3-4 years of Harbaugh. That is an eternity in the Not For Long
Where are we in now year 5 of LaFluffy?
Cheeleaders love their Beta boys I guess
@packerboi posted:As @Boris (and others when this topic comes up) pointed out, Harbaugh comes in like a comet and flames the fuck out after about 2-3 years. So the 1st year or 2, things look good. His energy is contagious and then his act grows tired and players stop buying in.
And with the tampering going on at Michigan, I just doubt the Packers want to be affiliated with that.
I know a surgeon who worked with Bryce Love at Stanford when Harbaugh was the coach there (Bryce Love tore his ACL his senior year and never played in the NFL). This surgeon is a former high level D1 college athlete himself (he played in a national championship game in his sport).
I asked him about what Harbaugh was like and he said that many athletes and coaches at the highest levels are tough to deal with because they have a screw or two lose. He said that Harbaugh had about 6 screws lose and was one of the toughest people to deal with he'd ever seen.
@PackerRick posted:I also had high hopes when MLF was hired. I thought the offense would be modernized with lots of motion and trick plays. Lots of splash plays.
I think Gute made a big mistake by not investing high draft picks in the OL. Without an OL a team really has nothing and that's why we play plenty of teams that might have as many as 3 #1 picks on their line. He really whiffed taking Myers over Humphreys.
100%. You build a team from the inside out. Load up on your guys in the trenches first. Everything runs off those.
@Goalline posted:Butkus sucks. That offensive line is so poorly coached. Another shitty MLF hire.
Seems to be a recurring theme. He sucks at judging coaching talent and won’t cut bait when it’s obviously not working out. Steadily losing faith in his head coaching capabilities.
@H5 posted:Great OL play.
And great coaching. How many of those assistants went on the HC and/or Coordinator positions. Holly put together some great staffs.
Time to come clean. It’s all my fault. I was ripping on the Packers all over the internet. They got tired of it and told me “if you think you’re so smart, why don’t you call the plays”. So I did. I’m not sure what happened. It worked out great in the simulator (Tecmo Bowl). I’m starting to think I’m not qualified.
If his game plans are built on expectations of how the opponent will defend, and the O consistently is unable to get into a rhythm, maybe game plan for what you do best and ignore what you think the D will do against you. Clearly, the opponents have been ready for what GB has been trying to do.
If they are continually in 3rd and long situations, he needs to change up from their 1st & 2nd down tendencies.
@H5 posted:If they are continually in 3rd and long situations, he needs to change up from their 1st & 2nd down tendencies.
I heard him state this and it went hand in hand with penalties and drops. I don't think the tendencies are necessarily wrong.
Seems penalties and drops have been in their tendencies.
In the 1st. Qtr. in every game, the few times the Packers make a positive play there is a penalty. Hard to run what you want when it's first and twenty 2nd and 16 ect.
@Tschmack posted:Here’s a question - if you are the Packers would you hire Harbaugh?
Oh hell no. The next thing you know he'll be having sleepovers with the players like he does with his recruits. 😄
Give me a HC who is a proven D oriented coach or coordinator who will hire a proven OC who can work with a young team's strengths and then get his ass out of the OC's way and concentrate on the D.
time for a change
MLF's to do list 10/30:
1. Stop with the penalties.
Everything will improve from there. Is that all they need to fix? Silly question. But the penalties are holding everything else back right now.
@Maxi54 posted:Oh hell no. The next thing you know he'll be having sleepovers with the players like he does with his recruits. 😄
Give me a HC who is a proven D oriented coach or coordinator who will hire a proven OC who can work with a young team's strengths and then get his ass out of the OC's way and concentrate on the D.
Better than sleepovers with the players' WAGs.
@Jessie Clark posted:time for a change
Indeed.
Good yacht rock.
@DH13 posted:MLF's to do list 10/30:
1. Stop with the penalties.
Everything will improve from there. Is that all they need to fix? Silly question. But the penalties are holding everything else back right now.
Penalties are killing us in addition to lack of production on first down. GB is eighth in total number of penalties with 52 in seven games; SF leads with 55 penalties in eight games. By the series today, the O had two penalties on the first drive; one on the third drive; one on the fourth drive; one on the fifth drive; and one on the 10th (last) drive. So, out of 10 drives, the O committed six penalties.
OTOH, the D committed three penalties (two 15s during the second series it played). STs had two penalties.
Just for "fun," I looked at the first-down production in today's game: yards gained on first down: 2, 4, 5, 4, 4, 5, 16, 0, 0, 5, 0, 6, 1, 0, 17, 10, 1, 0, 0. On 12 out of 17 first downs, the gain was 4 yards or less. On eight, the gain was 1 yard or less.
The moral of the story? Other teams don't have to beat you when you're beating yourself.
@DH13 posted:MLF's to do list 10/30:
1. Stop with the penalties.
Everything will improve from there. Is that all they need to fix? Silly question. But the penalties are holding everything else back right now.
Killer penalties too. The Gary roughing the passer had the same impact as a turnover. A defense that has trouble getting off the field on third down can't be making penalties like that.
Yes, the damn penalties, the WR drops, the horrible missed tackles, the missed throws of the QB, lousy offensive plays, the dysfunctional defense, oh yah, we’ve got the youngest team in the NFL. SO, HOW LONG DO WE GIVE THEM????? I’m saying, ALL YEAR. 😉 JMHO. ♥️ 💚 💛
It's not the losses for me, Goldie. It's not the record, but it is how this team has gotten a 2-5 record. It's the lack of improvement. We just finished our seventh game and there should be more and more good things showing up. Instead, the whole team looks worse and worse. The lack of concentration by anyone trying to catch the ball, the lack of discipline, the lack of understanding of what route to run, the missing of blocks over and over again, yada, yada, yada. It's one thing to lose; it's another thing to lose ugly, uglier, and ugliest. And I fear the coming weeks will be even worse.
Bukowski raises some interesting points about MLF. Thinks he is a control freak who thinks he has to "fix" everything. Goes back to him trying to call coverages at the end of the half in the TB playoff game, progresses to him only having coaches on staff that he can control.
@Fandame posted:It's not the losses for me, Goldie. It's not the record, but it is how this team has gotten a 2-5 record. It's the lack of improvement. We just finished our seventh game and there should be more and more good things showing up. Instead, the whole team looks worse and worse. The lack of concentration by anyone trying to catch the ball, the lack of discipline, the lack of understanding of what route to run, the missing of blocks over and over again, yada, yada, yada. It's one thing to lose; it's another thing to lose ugly, uglier, and ugliest. And I fear the coming weeks will be even worse.
Coaching. Fire MLF, give Bissacia a shot at the interim job like he did with the Raiders and see if things improve.
Against a shit team in the NYG, the Raiders sure seemed to respond to Pierce. It will be interesting to see how they respond to a NFL team.
@FLPACKER posted:Bukowski raises some interesting points about MLF. Thinks he is a control freak who thinks he has to "fix" everything. Goes back to him trying to call coverages at the end of the half in the TB playoff game, progresses to him only having coaches on staff that he can control.
To be fair, there's a lot to fix.
Reading this article from NFL.com on Coach of the Year has me convinced it's time to get rid of this tool and his minions
Packers were the better prepared and more physical team yesterday and it had to be one of MLF's best games as coach.
The Packers were aggressive from the start including winning the toss and receiving. It's almost as if they had that "what have we got to lose" mentality the way the game was called.
I don't think it really takes that much to outcoach Campbell. He strikes me as a guy that doesn't plan for situations as much as makes decisions on the fly. He really got away with a shaking decision at the end of the Chargers game a couple weeks ago. 4th and 2 at the LA 26 in a tie game and he passed 6 yds for the first down and made it. Takes 3 knees and kicks the FG. If he doesn't make that 1st down the Chargers have the ball with 1:40 to go in a tie game.
@Packiderm posted:Reading this article from NFL.com on Coach of the Year has me convinced it's time to get rid of this tool and his minions
After yesterday and if he coaches that way the rest of the season Campbell will not be on that list. His 4th down play calls yesterday were abominable.
I think the Lions game and the game at the Cardinals when D. Adams was out (was that 2021?) are 2 of LaFleur's finest coaching performances. He admitted in one of his press conferences that he is able to open up the play book more now that Love has shown more command of the offense and the young WR group are now well-versed in the basics of the offense. Really looking forward to how this team does in December.
My issue is why can this team play like gangbusters 1 week ( last year at home against the queens and this year at T giving) and then play like they were dragged off the street and told to suit up an hour before the game the next week.
These last two wins need to be put in perspective. The Packer defense created turnovers which they hadn't been doing. They also got a few breaks which haven't been going their way.
The Chargers dropped 3 TD passes which cost them 15 points and lost a fumble at the 2 yard line. The Lions had 475 yards of offense, lost 3 fumbles, and were stopped by their HC making some questionable decisions. Credit to the Packers for taking advantage but if they had gotten even one of those turnovers or breaks in the 4 close games they lost their record would be 9-2. That's how much parity there now is in the NFL.
