Yeah, we need turnovers given Barry's "soft" defensive philosphy.
Permanent Prevent I call it. All four quarters.
@Packiderm posted:My issue is why can this team play like gangbusters 1 week ( last year at home against the queens and this year at T giving) and then play like they were dragged off the street and told to suit up an hour before the game the next week.
Is that on the head coach?? Or is it guys not giving a **** on a certain week?
It's on Watson and Myers, but not Love or Zach Tom. 
Things are obviously trending up, and I think if I rip MLF when they're down then I give him props that things have turned around. That team was ready to play Thanksgiving, and I give MLF the credit.
I do think it's the coach's responsibility to have their team ready week to week. However you decide to motivate in on you, but the good coaches find different ways to do it and have their team prepared. When the message gets old (MM, etc.) then it's time to leave for a scenery change.
Not to get off topic, but a coach like Tomlin would be a good discussion. He's found a way to keep that squad relevant over nearly 20 years, but they haven't really be a championship contender for a decade now.
Another masterpiece from MLF on Sunday night and we're finally getting a good look at his offense with Love under center.
@Packiderm posted:My issue is why can this team play like gangbusters 1 week ( last year at home against the queens and this year at T giving) and then play like they were dragged off the street and told to suit up an hour before the game the next week.
Every teams fans think the same thing about their team. Cowboys fans against Arizon and San Fran, Eagles fans against Cowboys and San fran, Bears fans against anybody they play, fire the head coach, fire the DC, fire the special teams coach, fire the offensive coordinators. Football fans make David Tepper look patient.
@michiganjoe posted:Another masterpiece from MLF on Sunday night and we're finally getting a good look at his offense with Love under center.
Gotta hand it to MLF. He's had this team ready to play since the loss to the Vikings. It didn't always show on the scoreboard and they were a bit inconsistent, but for the past five games he has been on point in preparation. The past two games, MLF has been masterful with his calls as well and it appears he has loosened the reins for Love to change plays at the LOS. We fans are impatient -- and I think he definitely made some missteps at the start of the year -- but we are seeing the motion, etc., that we did not see with AR. There are so many variations with the motion that sometimes it's difficult to know who is going to get the ball on any given play.
Offense is vastly improved but we're not top tier. Given how young they are and how shitty the OL is, there is potential for top tier.
The defense, what we've seen is fools gold. The Chargers, Lions, and Chiefs all moved the ball at will. Some timely turnovers combined with timely sacks is what saved their ass. I don't see the turnovers continuing but the sacks should.
I was particularly impressed with some of those running plays using the receiver in motion. It completely fooled me.
It’s been a while since I could say that about the Packers offense. With AR it was so predictable. Even me as a dumb fan could see it.
@BrainDed posted:Offense is vastly improved but we're not top tier. Given how young they are and how shitty the OL is, there is potential for top tier.
The defense, what we've seen is fools gold. The Chargers, Lions, and Chiefs all moved the ball at will. Some timely turnovers combined with timely sacks is what saved their ass. I don't see the turnovers continuing but the sacks should.
Would you like to share a foxhole together?
Not sure who posted it here under what thread, but it was mentioned that with all the young receivers they had to simplify the offense a bit as they were learning on the fly. Now that the season is moving on the players are learning the offense better so they can open up the playbook a bit.
@BrainDed posted:Offense is vastly improved but we're not top tier. Given how young they are and how shitty the OL is, there is potential for top tier.
The defense, what we've seen is fools gold. The Chargers, Lions, and Chiefs all moved the ball at will. Some timely turnovers combined with timely sacks is what saved their ass. I don't see the turnovers continuing but the sacks should.
Pretty accurate but one may argue offense has been "top tier" in the last three games.
In the last three games:
Offense- 9th in scoring and 5th in total yards
Defense - 14th in points allowed and 29th in yards
Turnover differential - 2nd
MLF gave Joe Bury a big hug after the Chiefs win....and they did well keeping the Chiefs offense out of the end zone.... however.....it's a what have you done for me lately business. I still think the DC is a problem......which makes it a problem for MLF too.
Instead of the bend but don't break style which ultimately wears out the defensive players (79 plays a game?!? RUF'ing kidding me?!??) How about we get a few 3 & outs letting the defense rest for a change.
That's now the challenge for the DC and ultimately MLF. They're tied together now....and if you're not improving you need to find a new job.
Let's not start sucking each other's dicks quite yet. A lot of season left.
MLF and Love have us in a position to win the remaining games on the schedule. That would put us at 11-6. Not too shabby for a team that some here said may only win two games, this season. Our schedule is very similar to the schedule the vikings faced last year, when they went 13-4. Yes, the vikings went one and done, in the play offs, but that's because they suck. Yes, the Barry defense needs tweaking and so does our OL, every week, but this team is starting to click on offense and I am going to enjoy the ride. One game at a time. One play at a time. Get everyone healthy and it's all gas, no brakes! GO PACK, GO!!!
Though probably not this week, this team is due for some correction and setbacks. No way can they run this hot through the end of the year and into the playoffs.
Bukowski on twitter:
Sunday was the 5th straight game the #Packers had 375+ yards, the first time they've done that since 2013.
To put it into perspective, the Green Bay offense got 3 MVP Aaron Rodgers seasons that never produced a stretch of offense like we're seeing right now.
That's wild.
They play some pretty good defenses to close out the season, with three of the games on the road. A playoff run would be nice, but I mostly looking for consistency, improvement, and rebounds from bad halves/bad games.
D rankings through WK13
DET 14
KC 4
NYG 28
TB 27
CAR 7
MIN 13
CHI 11
Not a murder's row. I was suprised by CAR but it shows you how good it would have been to hire Evero as DC. WK18 could be a very interesting game for many reasons.
Everyone has their pawsitives and negatives. Greg Jennings shares an interesting conversation with MM about his position coach. Always have to be looking to improve. Staff building is a critical part of the head coach's duties. There's a lot to be said about MLFs choices in staffing.
@titmfatied posted:Everyone has their pawsitives and negatives. Greg Jennings shares an interesting conversation with MM about his position coach. Always have to be looking to improve. Staff building is a critical part of the head coach's duties. There's a lot to be said about MLFs choices in staffing.
How about sharing the interesting part so I don’t have to support it with a click?
It's literally a shortcut to the exact part of the discussion where Greg tells the story about how MM asked him about his position coach and then changed that position coach seemingly in part because of that discussion. 
I can't wait until BrainDed's sister shows up to start bad-mouthing Titmfatied. 
@ammo posted:What would be sweeter than clinching a playoff spot, knocking Suckqueens out of the playoffs and beating them at home all at once. JUST DO IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The WK18 game vs CHI could be the toughest left on the schedule. Who knows which GB team we will see the last 4 weeks.
If the last 4 weeks are like the first 14 then I think they miss the playoffs by a game or by tiebreakers.
@Tavis Smiley posted:Let's not start sucking each other's dicks quite yet. A lot of season left.
I’m just going to put it out there that there is no point in the season that I’ll be sucking anyone’s dick. Hope this helps with planning.
@Blair Kiel posted:I’m just going to put it out there that there is no point in the season that I’ll be sucking anyone’s dick. Hope this helps with planning.
But come February, look out! Get in line everyone!
Procrastinator.
@Tavis Smiley posted:Not a big Tarantino fan. My bad
Just because you ARE a character does not mean that you HAVE character.
@DH13 posted:The WK18 game vs CHI could be the toughest left on the schedule. Who knows which GB team we will see the last 4 weeks.
If the last 4 weeks are like the first 14 then I think they miss the playoffs by a game or by tiebreakers.
Bear game won't mean shit if the Pack has already locked up a playoff spot. Likely no, but possible. 
Reading lots of posts on Barry on Giants thread talking about how he doesn't have respect of the players, etc. Are we convinced MLF has respect in locker room? I'm not all the time.
I think MLF may be gaining the respect of the locker room. He doesn't have to tiptoe around AR any more, and in the Giants game he actively yelled at Taylor on the sidelines for the stupid move to not get OOB. I can't recall a time when MLF has actually gotten after a player during a game, but that was the right time to do so. Where he loses status is in accepting the poor game calls by He-Who-Shall-Not-Be-Named. Getting after a player for making a huge mistake yet allowing an assistant coach to continue in producing mediocrity will undercut a player's respect for a coach faster than anything else.
Lots of Steelers fans can't wait to get rid of Tomlin. If they were to fire him and the Packers fired LaFluer (I don't think that's happening) would you go after Tomlin? I would. At least with Tomlin you can stop worrying about the DC. But he would need to bring along a really good offensive mind with him.
@GreenBayLA posted:Matt Canada is available!
@PackerHawk posted:Lots of Steelers fans can't wait to get rid of Tomlin. If they were to fire him and the Packers fired LaFluer (I don't think that's happening) would you go after Tomlin? I would. At least with Tomlin you can stop worrying about the DC. But he would need to bring along a really good offensive mind with him.
In a heart beat. He may not be the best ,but he doesn't put up with any crap