Last call for Patriot game predictions

I think most Packer fans appreciate McCarthy. They probably just feel that Belichick's better.

Oh, I better make a prediction, lest I get called out:

Green Bay -- 31

New England -- 28

Also, bold prediction here.  Packers win, players get the credit.  Packers lose, MM out-coached. 

Be sure to tune in to the +/- minus thread right here at x4, scheduled for a 7:45pm EST start, and see the amazing results for yourself!

I wonder if we could get a sponsor for the weekly +/- thread?

By most, do you mean like 51 percent, or like 98 percent, or what?

Brak dropping truth. Preach.

Would you expect anything else from the +/- thread? 

I'll give you a spoiler alert...if the Packers lose, and it's due in large part to the thought that Brad Jones was the guy that should be assigned to cover Gronk, I'll post on there that he should have been cut weeks ago, and I'm gonna question the coaches for thinking he was up to the task.

I don't really want to get into a pissing match with you Brak, but that last paragraph is pure BS and you know it. You lurk in the game threads and POUNCE whenever someone even suggests something that isn't all butterflies and kisses. I understand getting pissed off at the people who only show up when the Packers are losing, but I would bet they aren't even Packer fans to begin with.

But you like to lump everyone into the same pile and start with the "whiner", "piss pants", etc. sophomoric name calling if someone even questions a play call. To be honest, you're the worst kind of fan. You seem to want to accept anything that is in front of you and expect others to do as well, almost like Cubs fans. I prefer fans that demand the best. Fans of a team are like family...we can denounce them, but don't let fans of other teams do it.  

So now you're now proclaiming that the games really don't matter, that you have a happy life, and question other people's "mental state of happiness"? Jesus Christ, Brak, you started a goddamned THREAD on it! https://packers.timesfour.com/t...elp-blair-understand 

Your obsession isn't with the Packers...your obsessed with being right. I would rather question a call/play and be proven wrong because my team came back and won the game. You, on the other hand, really don't care if the Packers win. You just want to be able to say, "I told you so!" That's what you're obsessed with.

But now since we're on a 3 game losing streak, you want to take on this "it really doesn't matter that much to me since I have a life and none of you do" persona? Really? Sorry, you don't get to do that. Just because you haven't gotten an "I told you so" moment in a month doesn't allow you to all of a sudden pretend you don't give a schit.

I, like other Packer fans on this board, watch the Packers because it's 3 1/2 hours of watching your team play and to have some bragging rights with co-workers, family, and friends. Most of us, if not all, have "lives" outside of the Green Bay Packers. The difference is we're upset that our team isn't winning. YOU'RE upset because YOU aren't winning.

BTW, you're right about Jones. He sucks. Have a good day.

Beautifully written and vaguely familiar.

Both BB and MM are vastly overrated because of the QBs they have.

 I didn't conduct a scientific poll...but I'd say most Packer fans with any respectable degree of knowledge of this game appreciate him for what he is. Winning a Superbowl is hard, and doing that alone means a lot.

I'm speaking for myself here, but I put Belichick near the level of Vince Lombardi in terms of coaching acumen, and I think a lot of the fans I reference in the above paragraph would probably feel the same. McCarthy, while very, very good, is probably not at that level yet.

If you want an actual percentage...let's say a solid 60-65%. I'm a little sore from pulling that number out of my you know where, I need to go take a breather.

True, but keep in mind that there's no more a miserable **** than this freakin guy.  Context.

They run the ball.  

Pakrz dropping the truth. Preach.

I don't know why every opponent doesn't run, run, and run some more against our defense.

If PDX means Portland, maybe he and CAPackFan95 should get together and watch a game.

Word.

NFLN keeps spouting that the Packers are 30th against the run and ESPN just predicted the Pats run for 200+ yards today. It is no secret.

That would be quite a meating.  

What if Bill and Mike were both on the open market next year......who gets the first phone call?

Davante Adams is good to go today. That's very good, because he may be the guy, assuming Nelson is doubled and Revis is locked up on Cobb.

Hopefully 17 is on the same page as 12 today.

You're entitled to your opinion. So am I. In my opinion you're wrong. He might be the best coach in today's NFL but he's no Vince. Not even close.

I think this game will be completely unpredictable due to two good coaches going head to head.  Execute.

This is true, I agree, except I wouldn't say vastly.  BB had a good year with Cassel starting most of the games one year.  Last year was an eye opener for me regarding QB play for the Packers.  Still managed to win the division.  I know the Lions and Bears both choked badly, but, still, a division win counts for something.

And Belichick would get the first call, if for no other reason than it seems he can go down to a convenience store and find a player.

Who gets the first call as GM if TT and BB are on the market tomorrow?

I think today's NFL is harder to coach in. FA Player movement, can't cover up player misconduct off the field, opposing coaches and schemes much more complicated, the media is all over you 24/7.

I don't think Vince could coach in today's NFL. Free agency and big paydays don't let you keep a team together like Vince could with discipline and loyalty. 22 year old millionaires don't want to hear about God, Family and the Green Bay Packers. 

If any coach in today's game comes close to Vince, it's BB.  Let's not let general dislike for BB or his team cloud reality.  The guy has a fantastic football mind and will go down as one of the best to ever stand on the sidelines. 

Even if you discount the incredible choke jobs by the Lions and Bears last year, the Packers only won the division because they had some wins, 5-2, before AR got hurt and had a must win after he came back. MM and the team didn't do much if anything to win the division while AR was out. Unless you want to give them credit for not being the worst team in the NFL without AR.

Bret Bielema?  That SOB has only won 2 SEC games and we are already comparing him to Lombardi?

It's going to be interesting to see if Rodgers pulls the ball down early and often and runs it. BB loves man on man press coverage. I think the opportunity will be there for AR to make some big plays running it. 

Maybe that should settle the Belichick vs. McCarthy debate right here and now.

Belichick went 11-5 with a 7th round pick who never started a game in college or the pros prior to that season. McCarthy went 2-4-1 when his ace starter went down.

Again, I like McCarthy a lot. He's just not at BB's level. Nobody is.

  Yes, he is, Lacy.

I agree that it's a completely different game.  Vince Lombardi was a dictator plain and simple.  You don't see that style in today's game because it doesn't work.  I believe Mike Singletary attempted that in SF.  Not so much.  

Now, could Lombardi adjust to the game today?  Nobody knows the answer to that question.  

Hard to gauge Belichick as a coach and Brady as a QB after the video taping and helmet communication cheat jobs.  They clouded their own legacies.

I think he could. Vince's contemporaries comment on how acutely aware he was of what made people tick. That was probably the true secret of his success, his unique knowledge of human behavior.

I think he'd recognize that the approach he used in that era would not work in today's world, and would have adjusted. As far as x an o's go, I don't think the Packer Sweep would be the staple of his offense in 2014 either. He'd probably do whatever he could to get an elite passer, and go from there.

But if he adjusted to today's game and players, would he would lose some of what made him great?

Some of the things that made Vince great wouldn't work with today's players.

Worst team?  No way, man.  That win at Dallas was a thing of beauty. 

Not that cut and dried.  TT has some role in upgrading the back up QB.

Oh, NOT being the worst team.  Yes, they get credit for that.

Right, that is the only positive you can say about that stretch of the season.

If he had a savant-like ability to understand how to properly motivate and lead, I think that would translate to any era. I don't think he'd run training camp in 2014 like he did in 1963. He'd adjust to the climate and the culture.

Lots of Patriots' slurping going on in the pregame shows. Guess we'll see if it's warranted.

Billy B started one back up QB who'd been in his system for 3 full years prior to be called upon....

The Packers and MM started 4 different QBs in a 7 week stretch, some of whom were brand new to the team and had never even had a single offseason to work on the offense. Or a Training Camp. Wallace was signed in September and played in November

What the Packers and MM accomplished without Rodgers last season is nothing short of spectacular and anybody who says different can go **** themselves with a big wet pole